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that cop did totally push her twice. still, it's never a good idea to defend yourself against thugs who have the authority to drag you into a van and beat you. especially when your friends are just going to run away. thank god for cameraphones.
Cops are always trying to provoke a retaliation. Some people just can't contain their anger reasonably in a situation like this. It's only going to bring you down.
this is why im leaving the internet because this shit is fucking pissing me off... i hate to see and it and not be able to do anything, should shouldnt have thrown her bike but they shouldnt have been pushing ppl with police batons... i hate police.. down with the law.
Ok so I just now watched this video...there needs to be a law that prevents riot police from using physical tactics on people who are complying with their demands. Those people were leaving, they were walking away. It was a big group of people and those people towards the end were walking as fast as they could. And WHY,, WHY were the shoving people on bicycles into crowds of pedestrians? This is outrageous. There needs to be a law.
Police in our society our turning into a shame.
And we just let it happen or support it. (not here but the ditto head in society)
Have you noticed how big cops are getting.?
I've been hearing from people who work in law enforcement about a mixture
a steroids and amphetamines being the cocktail of choice.
steroids and amphetamines. That explains more than their size, it explains their actions. Both of those drugs are known for causing aggression.
Yeah I can't believe the way the cops took that girl down. She was tiny. There was no call for the way he struck her over the head or any of what they did.
All that said, swinging her bike at them was a stupid, stupid move.
Wow. Frustrating, but still a dumb move by the girl.
Yes, she used the bike as a weapon. Maybe she could say she was trying to defend herself from the unnecessary baton pushing since she was complying, but the moment she picked it up and tossed it, she stopped complying. Case closed. A night in jail and summary probation for her if she's got a clean record.
Nonetheless, AFTER tossing it at him she was no longer armed.
So, was the force they used to detain her reasonable, in light of this fact?
Popo #1 strikes her to the back of the head with a baton.
Popo #2 clothes line tackles her with one arm to the ground.
I hope she gets a good defense attorney, and, if she was injured, a police misconduct attorney for an excessive force suit.
DJwheels responding to a comment by la duderina
09.29.09 - 4:26 pm
I've been hearing from people who work in law enforcement about a mixture
a steroids and amphetamines being the cocktail of choice.
This has been the case for years. When I had people partying here all the time, we used to have the cops come by and tell us to knock it off. You would NOT want to see these cops again. And that was the chick cops!
User1 responding to a comment by sexy
09.29.09 - 8:57 pm
I see what looks like an unprovoked baton in the back of the head, followed by excessive force (baton in the face)--I don't think striking people in the face is part proper protocol for restraining someone.
My question is, how does self defense from a police officer hold up in court? Does it depend on the amount of force was used? Is it like everything else and just comes down to reasonableness?
I hate that word....reasonable...stupid stupid word.
Granted this is different than what the chick with the bike did.
also this..........
27th Sept. 1989 : Zsa Zsa Gabor, on trial for slapping a police officer, storms out of the courtroom in the middle of the district attorney's closing argument. Later that day, Gabor was convicted and sentenced to 72 hours in jail, 120 hours of community service, and $13,000 in fines and restitution.
User1 responding to a comment by la duderina
09.29.09 - 10:14 pm
It doesn't hold up in court. I don't think anything ever does when you're facing charges for assaulting an officer. I wouldn't even think of making that argument in front of a jury. I'd say that's just something you bring up to a sympathetic prosecutor and/or judge when the time comes to plead out.
In a civil suit for excessive force, yes...it would come down to reasonableness. But there is a context and a set of facts you have to apply. That's where a good police procedures expert witness comes in handy to say that in this specific circumstance popo #1 and popo #2 did not act reasonably because they didn't follow proper procedure.
Of course, I'm assuming that a baton to the back of a head of an unarmed young woman is not the appropriate level of force to use. It's a close call, and a defense attorney for the cops isn't going to want to leave that decision up to a jury. So these cases, almost always settle out.
DJwheels responding to a comment by la duderina
09.29.09 - 11:00 pm
You know this gal is just about the gutsy-ist thing I've seen in a long time. If'n you haven't been there at some point, there's honestly no saying what could've happened. I wanna say hooray for this one... I can't but I want to. I want to think of her as a super hero. She can't help it if she's a conditioned killa.
In a situation where you're being threatened with harm - a mugging, getting bloodied for shits n giggles, IPV, etc... With that first bolt of pain, you gotta make a decision. What's it gonna be. I make a fist in instinct, out of self preservation. One can hardly blame a sista for that. Perhaps the question is more: Can you cheer her for it?
Maybe someone should just commandeer a firehose while the protesters and police are busy bitch-slapping each other.
Take that firehose and unleash it upon both groups of belligerents, then run like Hell.
This shit's been going on for too long, yet nothing meaningful is coming about.
Protesters screaming and shouting, riot-police following orders, same song and dance every year.
cops are disgusting, property is theft. good for her for standing up to cops like she did. it takes courage to stand up to cops like that on a human level. on the level of being arrested by another human being. by being forced to move one way and then forcing that human back another way and saying no with your body. and then having your body forced in to submission, being arrested. the humans that arrest you are employed by your government. if a government is owned by its people and its people allow this kind of behavior by its executive branch that society may be doomed to failure. our government isn't operated by "the people" because "the people" don't reward others for anti-social behavior. well i'm just ranty mcrantersons right now, aren't i? but sometimes it feels good to write it down.
but i'm posi too and i think that we are in the least violent time in human history. peace.
Human beings have always been violent, by our own current definition anyway. Consider female genital mutilation. It's an ancient cultural practice, yet it is condemned by developed societies as violent and a violation of human rights. Also in the middle ages they had those brutal torture machines and the guillotine that was so popular during the French Revolution, even crucifixion. These examples are all much more violent than any current accepted mode of punishment. Even now the United States is the only developed country that still uses the death penalty. So in a way, society is less violent.
But then you consider wars and see the capabilities that human beings have of complete mass destruction like nuclear bombs, etc...The number of genocides that have happened within the past 100 years and countless other atrocities that depict the violent nature of the human being
It's not humanly possible to resist our instinct to want to fight back to some goon pushing you with a baton. It's bullshit. Cops should approach protests unarmed and they should be there to facilitate the voice of the people.
historically speaking, the police have always been the voice of the state telling the people to shut up and give up. police action successfully destroyed the labor movement of the late 19th century.
if you want to take it a step further, the criminalization of the word "communist" and taboo of "socialist" have set back our country's debate on social policy back sixty years.
from the introduction to this very short easyish to read essay:
This doctrine, "the idea that humans are peaceable by nature and corrupted by modern institutions—pops up frequently in the writing of public intellectuals like José Ortega y Gasset ("War is not an instinct but an invention"), Stephen Jay Gould ("!@#$? sapiens is not an evil or destructive species"), and Ashley Montagu ("Biological studies lend support to the ethic of universal brotherhood")," he writes. "But, now that social scientists have started to count bodies in different historical periods, they have discovered that the romantic theory gets it backward: Far from causing us to become more violent, something in modernity and its cultural institutions has made us nobler."
There's no doubt about it. The cop is in the wrong. The more I watch the video the more I realize how hard it must've been for her to control herself for that long. How can we as citizens be expected to cooperate and control ourselves when "our protectors" can't even do so? Fuckin A! They're the ones with the training! They should damn well know better... of course, things would be so boring if everyone was nice to each other. -___-
It is fast becoming a police state.
It is now illegal to assemble and exercise free speech / protest
The 1st amendment is no longer reconized
Next they will go after the 2nd amendment which protects the 1st
Check out American Police Force, google or you tube
we now have mercenary private police opperating in the U.S
a division of Blackwater
whoa.whoa. WHOA> I 'm pretty sure she would have been fine if she complied like the other people in the video. If she did, then I promise you there wouldn't be a problem.
Mexicola responding to a comment by animal
10.2.09 - 8:23 pm
The logic isn't hard to figure it out. If you're going to provoke the police, you probably should understand that they are going to strike back. The police weren't hurting the other people that actually listened to them and they just struck the girl who threw the bike at them. Seems reasonable.
Mexicola responding to a comment by onemanstrash
10.2.09 - 9:23 pm
are you sure you watched the same vid as everyone else? It was the police doing the provoking....people don't usually swing bicycles at other people (especially police) for no reason. And if you watch the rest of the video you should have seen police shoving people on bicycles into crowds of pedestrians....all of them were complying to the best of their abilities. Perfect example of over aggressive law enforcement officers.
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