Ticket for corking CMOB
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illafilla at 04.21.09 - 11:15 pm
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got a ticket for corking on cmob, etc. etc.
does anyone know how much i will have to pay?
(called the automated system, but they say i have to wait 21 days for ticket info, official citation number is 21650.1)
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duderina info ... not helpful.
but you do wolfpack, so its ok
illafilla04.22.09 - 12:03 am
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Props for posting up the citation violation cited on your ticket. I think you're the first one I have seen do it.
You got cited for facing the wrong way in the traffic lane. Were you?
User104.22.09 - 12:17 am
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Is there a way to look up that citation number somewhere?
Joe Borfo04.22.09 - 12:18 am
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http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21650_1.htm
User104.22.09 - 12:22 am
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That sounds right ... it was kinda amusing, they spent about 15 minutes looking through all the possible citations to see what they would give ....
Anyway, appears no one has experience with this, so I'll post up the penalty for whoevers interested once the 21 days is up.
illafilla04.22.09 - 11:38 am
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I always thought it was IMPEDING TRAFFIC...or STOPPING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC
barleye04.22.09 - 12:15 pm
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Actually being cited for being turned the wrong way is far better than impeding traffic. I would go with the routine that's been posted up here before in regards to fighting a ticket. It sounds like it would be alot easier winning this than a impeding traffic charge.
User104.22.09 - 12:46 pm
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You could claim you got a flat tire or your chain came off are something. if a car breaks down in the middle of traffic they dont say they were impeading traffic. so if we are following the same rules as a car you would have done nothing wrong if something was wrong with you bike.
buckchin04.22.09 - 12:54 pm
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Exactly, he has alot more room to work with convincing the judge that he was justified in being turned the wrong way. He dropped is light for example.
User104.22.09 - 1:14 pm
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Yeah, recommending perjury - that's a good idea.
Am I the only one here who is willing to point out that corking is actually illegal and that, while it is convenient on a mass ride and possibly safer, those that do so are taking their chances with law enforcement. It's not like cmob has a parade permit or anything. If you are going to contest the ticket, do so on the same basis that you justify corking to yourself - that it is actually safer and less obstructive to get the group through the intersection en-masse and that your efforts were intended to minimize disruption to traffic flow and risk to ride participants. Contesting the ticket by lying about the circumstances merely paints all cyclists who contest their tickets in a negative (and ridiculous) light.
ideasculptor04.22.09 - 1:28 pm
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Read what he's been cited for. He's not even cited for corking. And it's not like the other side doesn't perjury itself? This is a simple traffic infraction. He was turned the wrong way, not that someone is going away for 20 years. Law enforcement officers get caught lying all the time, rarely does anything happen to them. So I would lose any sleep wiggling my way out of facing the wrong way ticket!
And spare me the two wrongs don't make it right argument.
User104.22.09 - 1:35 pm
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correction, *wouldn't lose any sleep*
User104.22.09 - 1:36 pm
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Perjury's a bit more serious for a civilian- we don't get the protection of a badge and the surrounding unspoken codes. (I can't remember what that was called- I know it was discussed a few weeks ago- the thing where officers are expected to look the other way if their coworkers/superiors/etc. violate the law)
Also, he shouldn't be facing the wrong way when corking anyways. I'd fight fight the ticket like everyone does, trial by declaration, etc.
danya04.22.09 - 1:51 pm
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i agree with the sentiment that we should all do the right thing but come on, the legal system itself is flawed. the cops who ticketed had to come up with a reason for the citation, i think it's absolutely appropriate that the OP come up with his/her own reason for stopping the flow of traffic.
tfunk40804.22.09 - 1:55 pm
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It called the code of silence, and that is not what I'm referring to. There are countless examples of law enforcement officers lying and changing people's lives forever. I was just reading about a group of officers did so in the jail system in OC were someone was killed. You want to try to equate and justify that to being turned the wrong way on the road? Go right ahead.
Also why would he admit to another infraction? Why even bring up the corking? He's charged with being turned the wrong way. That's what he needs to get out of, not introduce another reason to charge him.
User104.22.09 - 2:01 pm
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the dude sounds right...dont make up some farfetched excuse like "o i got a flat and had to stop...etc" i am pretty sure lapd and surrounding counties are well aware of mr antics. You corked to keep the movement moving and that is exactly what you should say... the faster we get through traffic the faster the headaches are over. Also state the obvious safety reasons.
Yo was I with you when you received that ticket?...Female and Male cop...Female cop was beautiful as all i know but was giving me hell? If so and if the date is convenient enough i will show with you
pretti*ugli04.22.09 - 2:02 pm
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snaps- abuser 1 has a point. if your ticket does not include any citation for corking dont bring that shit up!!!
pretti*ugli04.22.09 - 2:08 pm
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OK so he's not charged with corking traffic, but you want him to admit to it anyways? So then he'll have two charges to worry about?
LOFL
User104.22.09 - 2:09 pm
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yes..admit to it all...he did it he knows he did it. Even if he didnt do it he was thinking about it, and that alone my friend is worth a ticket.
sick my duck :)
pretti*ugli04.22.09 - 2:12 pm
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Yeah, recommending perjury - that's a good idea.
Am I the only one here who is willing to point out that corking is actually illegal and that, while it is convenient on a mass ride and possibly safer, those that do so are taking their chances with law enforcement. It's not like cmob has a parade permit or anything. If you are going to contest the ticket, do so on the same basis that you justify corking to yourself - that it is actually safer and less obstructive to get the group through the intersection en-masse and that your efforts were intended to minimize disruption to traffic flow and risk to ride participants. Contesting the ticket by lying about the circumstances merely paints all cyclists who contest their tickets in a negative (and ridiculous) light.
ideasculptor
04.22.09 - 4:28 pm
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how about he says that and you pay for his ticket.
buckchin04.22.09 - 2:12 pm
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sometimes your wallet is more important than the safty of the ride. when im corking and see a cop I immediatly ride- letting a dozen beach cruisers and mtn bikes at the back of the group get through an intersection is totally not worth it.
also i agree with keeping your mouth shut about "corking." if it is brought up, hopefully the jury of your peers will be moved by your bravery and compassion for your fellow cyclists. id stress the fact that what you were doing was fully necessary for the safty and well being of your fellow riders. maybe make up a raging SUV driver behind you who was reving up and ready to plow 40mph into the pack, i know i was posted up infront of one just like it on saturday...
or if the cop really did fuck up the ticket say your helmet or light came loose and you stopped to fix it.
newarkhouse04.22.09 - 2:41 pm
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i wonder what would happen if corkers stopped in front of cars, while facing the correct direction, "to set a good example." that kind of defeats the wrong way argument. and as far as impeding traffic goes, youre not allowed to enter the roadway when its unsafe. i understand how the police see corking and think bad things, but with a solid legal argument like that, it would be pretty easy to talk ones way out of a ticket without the cop perjuring him/herself.
tortuga_veloce04.22.09 - 9:48 pm
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i agree with the sentiment that we should all do the right thing but come on, the legal system itself is flawed. the cops who ticketed had to come up with a reason for the citation, i think it's absolutely appropriate that the OP come up with his/her own reason for stopping the flow of traffic.
I agree. But I certainly don't think that the OP should
lie about the facts of the case in order to come up with a reason for stopping the flow of traffic. Presumably, it was done for a reason. What was that reason? The OP wasn't the one running the red light, after all. They were merely ensuring that at-risk road users weren't run over by motorists crossing the intersection - no different than the guy who parks his car in the lane with hazards on in order to protect an accident from subsequent impact.
If you can't justify the corking on the basis of safety, then why the heck are you doing it? Or, at least, why are you pissed that you got a ticket for it? I exceed the speed limit on a motorcycle all the time, but I don't get upset when I get a ticket for doing it. That's simply one of the risks I take.
Basically, be a grown up and state your defense and take your lumps if they come. You may well find that both the judge and the cop will give you much more respect for doing so than if you concoct a load of BS and try to use it to wiggle out. If you can't afford the ticket, then I'd suggest you leave it to someone else to cork. If it turns out that no one is willing to assume that risk, I guess we'll find out what mass rides that stop at lights are like.
Another piece of unsolicited advice - in the vast majority of cases, drivers at the front of an intersection aren't actually antagonistic to the riders. Corking is helpful to make them understand what is happening, but once the stream of cyclists against the red is established, corkers can move on in the vast majority of cases - minimizing their exposure to law enforcement, particularly since they can meld back into the pack rather then wind up at the tail.
ideasculptor04.22.09 - 10:31 pm
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Yeah you can claim that you were going with the traffic. and the bike ride was holding you up too. If you have a fixed gear say you all ways ride backwards and thats why you were facing the other direction. makes it easyer to keep track of cars behind you. either way the important thing is that you LIE in court!
buckchin04.23.09 - 10:53 am
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I'd have more pride in the dude if managed to get out of the ticket, than pulled some stupid boy scout shit.
User104.23.09 - 10:59 am
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i'm with Idea on this one.
Lying about it isn't a good plan. You corked for our safety and I think that's a valid argument. If you're straight up about it I bet you'l do better.
Drew04.23.09 - 11:05 am
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illafillla, please email me
alexcthompson AT gmail (dot) com
I'm not sure I can help you anymore than these guys, but I'm down to discuss, and I'm also trying to keep track of these kinds of tickets.
Alex Thompson04.23.09 - 12:07 pm
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Number one thing is to never admit guilt. if he says he was corking he will pay the price.
buckchin04.23.09 - 3:22 pm
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