Save the Coyotes. I am in
Foldie09.22.09 - 8:07 pm
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Damn, I'd hate to have to log in with that name every time, but I digress...
Coyote hunting is nothing new... an excerpt from January:
Let's got get em! Tell the coyotes we demand to speak to their leader. Once we reach negotiations we'll steal their pets and raise them as civilized, functioning members of society. Then, years, later, they will return to their families. Over tea, the coyotes will watch in wonderment as there pets demonstrate the importance of underground pluming, democratic rule, and the differences between chomsky's society compared to Hobbs hallucination of hierarchy.
Jerry, one of the stolen pets, will become addicted to Oxycontin, and will treat everyone like an asshole. His wife cries at night, he lies awake on the edge of the bed. The fact that he was the pet of a coyote now liberated fucks with his mind. A steady decline, ultimately resulting in the sale of his motorcycle and a wider waistline.
"To thaaaaa mooon!" he exclaims, striping off his clothes and vanishing into the friscilating moonlight corduroyed by dark trees and peering eyes of the coyotes. Grifith Grifith had no fucking idea it would come to this.
BICYKILLER
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BICYKILLER09.22.09 - 9:12 pm
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don't go after the coyotes!
griffith park was back yard for 10 years, i've seen some crazy shit. its really fucked up, a lot of them are blind, few have rabies and none of them like people. and they ate 3 of my cats :0(
Delirium09.22.09 - 10:19 pm
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I see him almost everytime i ride Griffith. He's definitely in.
onemanstrash09.23.09 - 2:05 am
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>and they ate 3 of my cats :0(
That's 'cause you didn't learn after they ate your first cat. (Or, really, from a huge number of area pet owners who've had the pets they left outside for coyotes get . . . eaten by coyotes.) It's people who feed coyotoes, whether deliberately or unintentionally (by leaving pets unattended outdoors, or leaving food and water out for their pets) that we can thank for the bold/aggressive behavior of the coyotes, which in turn gets them killed.
(I've heard that thanks to the plentiful supply of barely-attended off-leash dogs in Runyon Canyon, coyotes and even hawks often snatch small dogs right in front of their clueless owners. And then we kill the coyotes for taking advantage of our stupid behavior, as if that solves the problem. Genius.)
Team Creanberry responding to a
comment by Delirium
09.23.09 - 9:01 am
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For those of you who are unaware, there have been a couple of recent instances of coyotes biting people. One was a female jogger, and the other was some guy sleeping on the grass at night (?... yeah i dunno.) So they've resorted to trapping and killing them.
See?
Now, even though I'm known for being TERRIFIED of them, after one chased me back in January, I'm seriously upset about them being trapped and killed. I keep pepper spray on me when I ride through the park now. That's fine by me.
Anyway... if this is going to develop in to a protest ride to save the coyotes for realz, I'm in.
canadienne09.23.09 - 10:45 am
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I think I'm the only one that hasn't seen a coyote in Griffith Park.
User1 responding to a
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09.23.09 - 10:49 am
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seriously? I went on a ride this morning and when I was climbing Vermont to get to the observatory, I saw 2 HUGE ones run right in front of me. (Well... not RIGHT in front... 20 feet maybe... but enough to scare me a little.)
canadienne responding to a
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09.23.09 - 10:54 am
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seriously, I see coyotes up there almost every time I ride, and I ride there almost every week
I consider them a good luck charm, a sign that if I eat shit and die, at least I'll be feeding my favorite animal
But, yeah, people feed them and think they're cute and cuddly, cause they're smaller than wolves and some of the big dogs people bring up there, but people need to remember coyotes are PREDATORS. They eat other animals. And if they get hungry enough they'll eat full grown dogs even, if there are enough.
petzljake09.23.09 - 11:26 am
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I wish I could find this cartoon or Griffith Park that was in LAweekly. It was from that Mexican dude that does the cartoons. Any ways the pic shows the animals running from the park because of the fire. then in the pic below it shows them running TO the fire cause of the LA cops and the May 1st riots.
One of the dudes better ones.
User109.23.09 - 11:37 am
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I see them all the time I ride up there near dusk.
Coyotes are not only predators, they are scavengers.
If you are napping under a tree, they might think you're dead.
So they will start chewing off a piece of your foot.
hockeyjockey09.23.09 - 11:58 am
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All i know if you show fear to the coyotes they will fucking come towards you. Whoever does go with uss we will be all in a group of course we will not going to leave you there if you do happen to get a flat.Its a creepy dark ride through that abandoned road but it sure gets you pumped up.
independentchronikridazz09.23.09 - 12:52 pm
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LOL coyotes never hurt anybody you big babies.. they are barely bigger than my fat cat.
onemanstrash09.23.09 - 2:36 pm
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I spend an awful lot of time in coyote-filled areas and have never come close to having a problem (and I don't think that coyotes that don't showfear of people are necessarily dangerous either; they're awfully smart and aren't automatically scared of people just because we're bigger). I've also gotten to "know" a few wild coyotes, including a pair who showed no fear of me or my horse. I even knew where their den was and over a period of time, watched them raise 2 pups.
I have a soft spot in my heart for coyotes, having trained one (a captive coyote) who taught me a whole lot, mostly to NEVER trust her :) She'd come up to me and act very puppyish and excited, do "head stands," wiggle, and wag her tail, and as I petted her she would frequently whip around and try to bite me with no provocation or reason that I could figure out. She is still the most unpredictable animal I think I've ever worked with. I feel FAR more trusting of wolves than I ever did with her. She was cocker spaniel-sized like all coyotes,so it's not like she could do more damage than a nasty bite, but they're soooo weird and unpredictable.
Anyway, I think it's highly suspicious that a few people claim they were bitten for no reason. They were almost undoubtedly feeding the coyotes or cornering/provoking them somehow.
Oh yeah, and when people live in areas heavily populated by more dangerous predators, like bears, they tend to do a good job of bear-proofing their homes and businesses, and knwoing how to handle things. Why is it that we can't figure out how to coexist with some scrawny coyotes?
Team Creanberry responding to a
comment by onemanstrash
09.23.09 - 5:22 pm
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IT SEEMS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PUUUUUZZZZYS. WE WENT YESTERDAY AND IT WAS HELLA FUN. WE HEARD A COUPLE OF COYOTES IN THE BACKGROUND SOMEWHERE HOWLING BUT NO ENCOUNTERS.
independentchronikridazz09.23.09 - 7:47 pm
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it's really not my fault my cat we're eaten.(you suck)
I'm not one to lock up my animals. you don't own a pet you care for a pet, and with a bitch of a step mom being "allergic", i had no choice.
i had a few neighbors feeding the coyotes at night, leaving little dishes full of cat or dog food, I run to them and dump them in a zipplock then during the day i'd walk up the trails and dump it in pile.
Delirium responding to a
comment by Team Creanberry
09.23.09 - 7:58 pm
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Letting coyotes eat 3 cats isn't really caring for them, isn't it?
You both own AND care for pets. And caring for them means not leaving them out on the streets to fend for themselves.
A cat gets hit by a car, it's the owner's fault.
A cat comes home with funky diseases, it's the owner' fault.
A cat comes home pregnant with kittens that the owner has to "get rid" of, it's the owner's fault.
A cat eats indigenous wildlife, it's the owner's fault.
Indigenous wildlife eats a cat, it's the owner's fault.
Keeping cats outdoors significantly shortens their lifespans, and that's not just because they get snatched up by coyotes. Any romantic notions about cats needing to be "wild" don't fit the reality of what happens to them, and because of them, when they're allowed outdoors.
Team Creanberry responding to a
comment by Delirium
09.23.09 - 9:25 pm
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I thought this was some thread about human smugglers and such.
Yeah, I see these things roaming around in packs up here all the time.
All those that have lived up here know they do little-to-no harm, n00bs that love cheap houses get all scared and call our weak sheriffs department to handle the matter.
Anyone who gets scared of these canine brethren should just move back to their parents house and lock themselves in the attic.
bentstrider09.24.09 - 7:11 am
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What the hell is everyone yammering about? Did anyone even read the tiny article?
Let's recap a few things:
A) The coyotes DID bite two people.
B) Nobody here is blaming them.
C) Nobody wants them killed.
So all this talk about how they're harmless is negated. And the accusations that people are being "big babies" is in relevance to nothing.
Stay in school.
canadienne09.24.09 - 11:30 am
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im in....take my gun in case. lol fucking coyete
32309.24.09 - 1:09 pm
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sorry it was in jest calling people babies. I know it can be a bit startling to see a 'wild' animal. I have seen coyotes face to face my whole life here in los angeles and have never had any problems with them. As for pets being snatched that is the owners fault for leaving a small snack sized pet in a semi wild area.
I read the latimes article about a coyote attack. But really all I could get out of the latimes article is that man had his foot nibbled on by a coyote while he was sleeping. That hardly qualifies as an attack. So the article stated that the coyotes will be killed if they attack people. I don't want see the coyotes killed because people don't know how to live with them in somewhat wild park. I've seen peoples dogs bite people with the owner holding a leash. Do i get to kill that dog? of course not.
So 99.9999% of the time they are harmless... it's not negated, it's just not 100%.
onemanstrash responding to a
comment by canadienne
09.24.09 - 1:32 pm
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+However many points I could dish out!!!!
bentstrider responding to a
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09.24.09 - 1:42 pm
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who's bringing the grill?
ching ching! dinner time ladies!
snowcone09.24.09 - 6:07 pm
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yes, letting cats live outdoors does shorten their lifespans. but have you ever owned a cat? do you know how not fun it is for them to be forced to stay in a house 24/7? i realize that they dont NEED to be "wild" and can live happy lives inside, but my mom keeps her cat in 24/7 and he is fat and all he does all day is look out the window and dream of being outside (as is shown by his constant attempts to run out the door whenever it's open). not that he hates his life, but it's obvious he'd rather be outside in the grass chasing bugs and having fun in nature. not on the hardwood floors. yes, a cat can survive inside, but in the end, if you really love your cat, you want him or her to be happy. and if that involves risking a shorter lifespan, that's worth it. for me, at least.
superblueman3 responding to a
comment by Team Creanberry
09.24.09 - 7:33 pm
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ur rite! besides, there's other things that shortens a cat's life too.
User1 responding to a
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09.24.09 - 8:10 pm
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my cat is an indoors cat for the most part, but we let him go in the backyard if we are home and awake. He is actually afraid to leave the backyard, so he actually stays in the backyard while he is outside. He enjoys watching birds and eating grass. One time he caught a bird. I'm not sure what else he does. I miss him.
snowcone responding to a
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09.24.09 - 8:21 pm
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I know a girl who lives in the Hollywood Hills, she lost two cats in five years.
Yeah, I feel bad for the coyotes, they were there first. But there are some many houses near Griffith Park and lots of people using the park, that there has to be an equilibrium.
What if a small child gets attacked, you know people would cry for blood.
urbanpedal09.24.09 - 8:28 pm
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the california flag proudly depicts a grizzly bear... grizzly bears are extinct in california
"The bear on the current Flag of California was modeled on the last wild Californian Grizzly Bear in captivity. The bear, named "Monarch", was captured at Samhain by newspaper reporter Allen Kelley. The bear was subsequently moved to Woodwards Gardens in San Francisco. After the bear's death in 1911, it was preserved at Academy of Sciences at Golden Gate Park."
snowcone responding to a
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09.24.09 - 8:31 pm
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Perhaps we should trade flags with Alaska or Wyoming.
We should probably switch our flag over to a Crow, or stray dog, or some other laughable species.
bentstrider responding to a
comment by snowcone
09.25.09 - 3:07 am
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Cats need/want to be outdoors the way dogs need/want to eat antifreeze. Just because an animal thinks it wants something doesn't mean that's what's best for it.
http://www.runway.net/b/moonmaid/in-or-out.html
http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html
Outdoor cats turned indoor cats will bitch and moan about it for a little while, but they get over it.
Ultimately, my point is that keeping cats outdoors is socially irresponsible, and outdoor cat owners deserve a HUGE part of the blame in Southern California's coyote problem. Coyotes are extremely opportunistic and they take advantage of situations we create for them (like leaving brightly colored, clueless, declawed, domesticated easy meals for them outside). Once they learn that areas inhabited by people are easy food sources, they begin frequenting those areas and becoming comfortable around people. While adults don't have much to worry about besides rabies, kids do - - especially if the coyotes form packs. So, thanks, outdoor pet owners, on behalf of all the children who are attacked. And the braver coyotes get around humans, the more they're seen as a problem, and then the coyotes get killed (which doesn't solve the problem. If eight coyotes are killed, eight more will be born. There will always be as many coyotes as the habitat can support, and if we're providing pets and pet food for them to eat, we're encouraging them to breed). So, thanks again, outdoor pet owners.
Team Creanberry responding to a
comment by superblueman3
09.25.09 - 8:27 am
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but without the juicy cats and babies... what will they eat?
THEY MIGHT STARVE!
snowcone responding to a
comment by Team Creanberry
09.25.09 - 8:35 am
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To all the trolls on this post that didn't come you missed a kick-ass ride.
4 of us made it to Mt. Hollywood. No coyotes were seen, but we heard them.
A deer was spotted on the observatory lawn on the descent.
Hope to do it again soon.
jeffwr309.25.09 - 6:30 pm
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The Park has children playing and just for ther safety they need protection from Cayotes.....It a fucken park for Gods Sake in th heart of Los Angeles....
and not in Wyoming or something
Larardo09.28.09 - 10:21 pm
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I was attacked by 3 cyotes riding up Mullholland drive around th top of Runyon Canyon
The were on BMX bikes
LOL
Larardo09.28.09 - 10:23 pm
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A Park you say Of course its a park when do you go in there at night. So much shit to see shit you dont see in the day time. Its absolutely a fucken special ride. You just might happen to see those bmx riding Coyotes :)
independentchronikridazz10.6.09 - 9:00 pm
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Damn this is the same night as RWNN. I wish this was on the following night. You guys going the same area? Is there a route? Heard it was cool ride jast time.
User1 responding to a
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10.6.09 - 9:20 pm
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We are going to stop at the entrance of the dirt trail where there is access to the top of mount hollywood,there i think we will debate with the other ridazz if we should go on to the top or not?
independentchronikridazz10.9.09 - 12:48 pm
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Well, a pack of coyotes got my little sisters kitten in Oak Hills.
But, it was kind of her dads fault though, leaves the side vehicle gate open and then goes to bed at 10PM.
Next time, I'm just going to lay in hammock with the pressure hose and let it rip.
Like regular dogs, they'll too learn to stay away from a place that inflicts pain.
bentstrider10.9.09 - 1:10 pm
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Hey guys,i wont be able to attend this specific ride
How often is this ride done?
I was really fucking psyched when i heard about it, but then stuff came up
EwoksRX10.14.09 - 7:08 am
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RE:
Thread started by independentchronikridazz at 09.22.09 - 7:54 pm
ARE YOU IN OR YOU OUT
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TO WIT:
YOU CANT FEEL IT?
eddieboyinla responding to a
comment by sharkboi28
10.16.09 - 1:16 am
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LOL just ignore him.
crackhead
User1 responding to a
comment by independentchronikridazz
10.16.09 - 11:50 am
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Thanks for putting this ride together independent. That was a most awesome ride! Crazy climbing, steep dirt road drops into the blackest of nights, riding on abandon roads, tales of ghost stories, listening to the howling coyotes at the highest point in Griffith Park, it had it all! The rains earlier in the week made it a great night to be up there. Dug the peeps on the ride too. Not sure how the fixie ridazz made it down in one piece, but they did.
The only part I regretted was forgetting to bring my camera.
Look forward to doing it again!
User1 responding to a
comment by independentchronikridazz
10.18.09 - 10:20 pm
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Is it possible to post the route? The way User 1 described it was cool and wanted to check it out. Route porn and such.
Foldie responding to a
comment by User1
10.18.09 - 10:24 pm
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I'm going to leave posting up the route to Independent cause technically we weren't suppose to be there at that time. Was a really cool route though.
User1 responding to a
comment by Foldie
10.18.09 - 10:45 pm
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
independentchronikridazz11.11.09 - 11:45 pm
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it's so beautiful up there
been going about once a week, saturday or sunday about 3ish
last week i went up the back way, from travel town, i saw 2 full grown coyotes up there as i was huffing and puffing up the hill, one of them pooped shortly after i rode by, lol, like other doggish animals he even scratch/kicked his paws in the grassy dirt immediately after his poo, lol
you guys go up there at night though, that's pretty nuts, but sounds like a blast!
natefrogg01.6.10 - 11:11 pm
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