S.M.P.D.
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kurtz at 08.2.08 - 11:02 am
last night's SMCM got me thinking. what are we going to do about the SMPD? it is frustrating and angering during the ride to see fellow riders followed, and picked off one by one for minor infractions. we ended up leaving SM in a hurry. and, that bothers me more. we were defeated. a lot of riders won't even come to SMCM because of SMPD. we need to find a solution to this problem. i think it will take many approaches...
1. although CM is 'leaderless', there are leaders in the cycling community. two or three of them could sit down with the chief of police and discuss a way that we can co-exist.
2. we need to get the media involved. i would think that even the residents of santa monica would support us. show them what is happening. and, while i doubt the LA Times or KCAL could give a shit about critical mass, CURRENT TV would. we could easily do a 'pod' depicting the harassment we face on a monthly basis. play the green card showing how a 'progressive' city like santa monica is going out of their way to discourage and harass cyclists who do so much for the environment. all we need are a lot of video cameras (and a decent editor). i imagine if the SMPD saw a number of video cameras, perhaps even professional ones with lights on top, they would back off. but, let's put a motherfucking magnifying glass to these pricks.
these are our streets. we can't keep running with our tails between our legs. the most important thing is that we keep riding santa monica. we need our numbers to grow. perhaps an leafletting on the streets, outside a couple of whole foods, to inform the residents of critical mass. everywhere we ride, people ask us what we are. get them involved. if the rides are civilized (less public drinking and weed smoking), i imagine a number of santa monica families would ride along. ok, that's probably not gonna happen. but, we need to go back en force. maybe even a specific ride that targets SMPD...separate from SMCM.
thoughts? suggestions?
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The answer is just to keep riding and obeying the law until SMPD realizes that having the cyclists move in one coherent mass is actually safer and more efficient (even if the occasional stoplight is corked), than having cyclists obeying the laws exactly and having the group stretch out for miles.
It's a simple question of pragmatism and achieving the overall goal of keeping the public safe, vs. enforcing the letter of the law and creating a greater hazard.
Creating a ride to targe the SMPD seems like it would be counterproductive.
Adding a Santa Monica portion to as many group rides on the Westside as possible might be good approach, as the more visibility we can create for cyclists in Santa Monica, especially as law abiding and peaceful citizens out for a night of ecologically friendly and exercise filled fun, the better off we'll be.
JB08.2.08 - 11:23 am
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The residents of Santa Monica were happy to see us. Clapping and cheering as we rode through their neighborhoods, SMPD on our tail.
There seems to be a disconnect between how the community views the group ride and how the SMPD actually treats us.
There were reports, and some pictures, of the motorcycle cops bumping the bicyclists as they rode down the streets. Unfortunately we don't have video of these incidents. They would rev the engines of those BMW motorcycles as they pulled up to a pack of bicyclists. All acts of intimidation and harassment.
skd08.2.08 - 11:37 am
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at the very least we need MOAR VIDEO CAMERAS PLZ.
kurtz08.2.08 - 11:45 am
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"The answer is just to keep riding and obeying the law until SMPD realizes that having the cyclists move in one coherent mass is actually safer and more efficient (even if the occasional stoplight is corked), than having cyclists obeying the laws exactly and having the group stretch out for miles.
It's a simple question of pragmatism and achieving the overall goal of keeping the public safe, vs. enforcing the letter of the law and creating a greater hazard."
if they haven't realized this by now, what makes you expect them to realize this in the future (without our help)?
also, it's contradictory to say that we need to ride and obey the law, and then say we need to break the law by corking intersections. by following the law last night (because SMPD surrounded us), the group was effectively disbanded.
"Creating a ride to targe the SMPD seems like it would be counterproductive."
how about a ride to target SM?
"Adding a Santa Monica portion to as many group rides on the Westside as possible might be good approach, as the more visibility we can create for cyclists in Santa Monica, especially as law abiding and peaceful citizens out for a night of ecologically friendly and exercise filled fun, the better off we'll be."
mos def. and, when we ride through SM, ride through the highest profile streets: main street, wilshire boulevard, ocean from pico to wilshire. let the tourists and wealthy residents see us, and see how the PD harass us.
kurtz08.2.08 - 11:52 am
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is there an easier way to differentiate between my words and the post i am quoting? i would respond in all caps, but then might be mistaken for eddie or yelling or both.
kurtz08.2.08 - 11:53 am
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There are pics of how close the motorcycle police got to the cyclists. I expect they'll be posted shortly.
JB08.2.08 - 12:02 pm
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use a <blockquote> tag which looks like this:
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
or you could make it bold as well by surrounding it with a <b> tag like this:
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
That's all there is to it.
ideasculptor08.2.08 - 12:16 pm
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SEX DOLL?
there are a few complaints about fireworks on the same thread i started at LAFXD.
how can we expect to be treated respectfully and welcome in any community that views as terrorists? we are the first to blame for the harassment.
kurtz08.2.08 - 2:33 pm
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The answer to our problem is simple economic pressure.
It costs money to have the cops out there. The more time we can spend in Santa Monica, wasting everyone's time and money, the better. I suggest we have 3 SMCMs per month. All behaving in exactly the same way as the current one. This battle will not be won by bitching about a justly received ticket, but by obeying all traffic laws while we sap the SMPD's budget.
At some point, someone in control will look at the figures and say, 'WTF! this has to stop!'
You couldn't ask for a better battle ground within which to wage war on the SMPD. They're offering themselves up to be burned, all it takes is our cooperation. Let's make them hurt.
Eric Hair08.2.08 - 3:02 pm
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I'M THINKING EVERY FUCKIN FRIDAY NIGHT, UNTIL THEY STOP AMBUSHING US, PERIOD, YOU GUYZ IN SANTA MONICA NEED TO CHANGE ALL YOUR WESTSIDE RIDES TO THE SMCM RIDE, IF YOU DO 23 RIDES WITHIN YOUR WESTSIDE AREA IN 30 DAYZ, THEN START THEM ALL AT SMCM STARTING POINT,
GET THE IMAGE IN YO MIND.
eddieboyinla08.2.08 - 3:09 pm
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i like where this is heading.
kurtz08.2.08 - 3:18 pm
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I have ridden in many SMCM since Sept 05. Unfortunately I wasn't there last night.
This is a similar discussion to last year's when they began cracking down on us. I agree that staying in SM is a good idea, and we can easily make their life difficult. We've done it on a couple of occasions in the past. I think there are historical threads on here dealing with the issue, as well as on http://santamonicacriticalmass.ning.com/
The discussions on that sight seem to have died out. I'll search for somethreads dealing with SMCM and the PD on here.
A few months ago, I think it was april or may, there were a few cops on motorcycles around. Before the ride, a woman got up to make sure everyone knew the laws, such as no riding on the sidewalk in santa monica, and to warn people that if they ran red lights or stop signs cops might be lurking. Someone whose picture I think I know from this sight, who had gotten arrested a week or two before on a tall bike, started yelling over her, "fuck the police." A couple of blocks later, with the ride still mostly together, that same rider decided to ride on the sidewalk past the cops. He got a ticket. I am not sure if he didn't know the law, was trying to fuck with the police, if he was drunk, or if he was trying to get a ticket so the cops would stay there and not harrass the rest of us. It annoyed the crap out of me because I followed back, thinking it had to be a BS ticket for riding two abreast or something but no, it was a ticket for riding on the sidewalk. How lame!
June's ride was awesome. At the front of the pack we didn't run red lights and the group stayed together and in SM. There was no police presence at all. I guess we were lucky that the cops weren't there.
Hopefully I'll be there in september and the ride will stay together, stay in SM, obey the red lights and stop signs, and we won't get tickets. Its possible!
gregb08.2.08 - 4:35 pm
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We got news coverage in the past:
http://www.midnightridazz.com/forums.php?searchType=body&showThreads=1&keyword=smcm&topicId=1620
We attempted political pressure:
http://www.midnightridazz.com/forums.php?searchType=body&showThreads=1&keyword=smcm&topicId=1409
We need to not run red lights and stop signs when we see cops at the start, or after someone has been ticketed.
gregb08.2.08 - 4:42 pm
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We need to not run red lights and stop signs when we see cops at the start, or after someone has been ticketed.
It's far simpler than that. Just obey the laws.
When you're in hostile territory assume the enemy is always watching.
Eric Hair08.2.08 - 5:06 pm
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pardon my ignorance, i haven't been group riding long, but how does a group stay together without corking intersections and allowing riders to run stop signs/red lights that are corked? last night, we got out of SM and headed straight down main to venice. for at least 10-15 minutes after we arrived at the circle, i saw smaller and smaller groups coming down main to re-join us. that separation or fragmenting of the group comes from having to stop at all red lights/intersections.
i think there needs to be a thread to look at the bigger picture of what we want critical mass to be anyway. (or, has there already been one?) it seems far from the assertion of cyclists rights to the road that i thought it would be.
kurtz08.2.08 - 6:22 pm
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The thing that annoyed me the most last night was the fact that the cops were ignoring drivers blatantly ignoring violations by drivers, even after cyclists pointed them out to them.
I was stopped at the corner of Colorado and 4th, waiting for the light to turn green for a left turn, well after the light was green for us, and by us I mean myself and 2 other cyclists, and 2 motorcycle cops who were laughing and joking about us, anyway, well after the light was green two cars ran the red making a left turn past us. I turned to the cop as I rode off and said "Yeah, well, what about them, they ran the red, I know you saw it, are you going to do anything about it?" They just scoffed at me.
The specific targeting of cyclists is the thing that angered me the most, specific targeting, to ignore the rest of traffic, even when they are violating laws right in front of them. (this is not to mention all the cops that blocked lanes of traffic just to sit in the left lane next to us and yell at us for blocking a lane, a lane the CVC allows us to use (well actually it allows us to use ALL of them, but that's a different story), and the cops that blatantly ran reds just because they could) That is not "protecting and serving" or whatever bullshit SMPD prints on the sides of their cars.
FuzzBeast08.2.08 - 6:27 pm
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i asked this on LAFXD:
are we legally required to use only one lane? or, do we move to one lane as a courtesy to the officer asking us over his squad car's PA system?
kurtz08.2.08 - 6:36 pm
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nevermind. reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Vehicle_Code_-_Bicycle_Relevant_Sections
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http://www.cvcbike.org/club/bikelaw.htm
kurtz08.2.08 - 6:38 pm
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AGAIN, FUCK THE COPS !!!
RATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, I KINDA FELT LIKE A CAR DRIVER, HAVING TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD, THINK ABOUT IT.
WOULD YOU RUN A RED?
WOULD YOU 'CORK?
WOULD YOU RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK?
------> IN A FUCKIN CAR?
RIDING A BIKE HAS MADE ME FORGET ABOUT HOW IT WAS DRIVING A CAR, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITY'S.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT I DO NOT FORGET THE 'ROADRAGE' I'VE FELT WHILE DRIVING A CAR.
ALSO IT SUCKS WHEN I GET HIT BY SOMETHING WHILE RIDING MY BIKE.
EVERY TICKET THAT I SAW THAT WAS ISSUED, AND I SAW THE REASON, WAS TRULY EARNED. YOU CAN DISAGREE ALL YOU WANT, BUT GO AND RUN A RED LIGHT AROUND A COP , AND I BET YOU GET A TICKET, JUSTIFY IT ANYWAY YOU WANT TO.
A TICKET IS A TICKET, AND TIME THAT I HAVE TO GIVE UP TO HANDLE IT CORRECTLY, AND IF I LOSE, ILL BE DOING TIME OR PAYING MONEY, AND LETS FACE IT, MONEY DOES NOT GROW ON TREES.
eddieboyinla08.2.08 - 7:09 pm
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are we legally required to use only one lane? or, do we move to one lane as a courtesy to the officer asking us over his squad car's PA system?
No, we're not. It's something we do as a courtesy to the LAPD, who are usually courteous to us. The SMPD doesn't deserve any courtesy.
PC08.2.08 - 8:12 pm
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In response to the original post. we did both of those things.
It cut the pressure for a couple months, and things heated up again. As I recall there are still Storm the Bastille rides that happen occassionaly, where cyclists ride to SM City Hall to talk to the council members to see about changing Santa Monica to be more cyclist friendly (not always about the cops).
Jaz08.2.08 - 9:56 pm
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i am all for storm the bastille, and the attempts to change public policy through bureaucracy. but, more immediate actions are needed and can be taken. i don't remember when the original SFCM had their famous run-in with willie brown's police, but since then it seems the police are on their side. i read an interview with one SF officer where he basically said 'what am i gonna do? write a ticket to one rider that runs a red light as 500 others do the same?'
and, what about the media? there are a number of papers (LA WEEKLY, the argonaut, that other weekly who's name i forget) who would probably be down to send a reporter with us on a ride. and, i still think CURRENT is our best bet for publicity. it isn't difficult to spin a tale of a city who puts forth an image of being 'green' discouraging the greenest form of transportation. i would do it myself, but don't even have a video camera.
but, remember, it is up to us to maintain an image that the public will be sympathetic towards. harassing cars, spitting, graffiti, fireworks, etc. ruin our chances of being welcome anywhere.
kurtz08.2.08 - 10:56 pm
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don't break the law when you're on a bike...simple as that. but also, if cops are being fuckin' dicks, fuckin slap those bitches....and take the fuck off before backup gets there!
Luis08.2.08 - 11:27 pm
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I'm pissed. I will be taking action on this. Leave your Friday evening open for a little action in Santa Monica before the Pillow Fight Ride.
I want to say this as gently as possible. It is frustrating sometimes when people who have not been involved jump onto the boards and begin talking about what to do without knowing very much about the history of the conflict. I will try to do a good job of beefing up the ibikeu Wiki entry on SMCM so that it is easier to inform yourself about the past. In the meantime, do a Google search and learn a little about what has gone on in the past at SMCM. It's a 13 month old conflict, so there's a lot to it. There are some old LA Times, LA Weekly, SMDP articles. Shit, if people want to get together and we can all share what we know, I'm fine with that as well.
I guess what I'm saying is - it's good to think strategically, but it's even gooder to think historically, and then get all strategical.
Alex Thompson08.2.08 - 11:30 pm
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Yeah, IT MUST BE frustrating when people just start saying and doing what they want, without understanding the rationale for the history of particular actions.
I wonder if that's also why the SMPD was so frustrated yesterday, what with there being an extensive history and body of law behind the traffic codes and all.
Oh, it would just be so much easier if everyone would listen and pay attention and follow the rules.
JB08.3.08 - 12:00 am
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13 months isn't a lot of history alex. suffice it to say, it's an ongoing conflict. one, which may benefit from some fresh approaches. i don't know what you guys have done in the past, it's true. but, clearly, it hasn't been entirely effective. aren't you on vaca anyway?
i'm down for any and every ride that helps us defeat the SMPD.
kurtz08.3.08 - 12:13 am
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Does anybody know what the actually VC violation for doing a traffic circle at a four way signal lighted intersection?
Maybe the reason people don't get tickets on circle of death, is because there is no law against it. I know it sounds silly, there has to be a law against it.
First person to come up with VC violation for doing a circle of death. Gets a free beer and a bicycle tube of your choosing from yours truly.
sexy08.3.08 - 1:13 am
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CA Vehicle Code sections probably applicable to the Circle of Death:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c2a3.htm
Transportation: Bicycles: Traffic Signals
21456.2. (a) Unless otherwise directed by a bicycle signal as provided in Section 21456.3, an operator of a bicycle shall obey the provisions of this article applicable to the driver of a vehicle.
Circular Green or Green Arrow
21451. (a) A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.
(b) A driver facing a green arrow signal, shown alone or in combination with another indication, shall enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated by that green arrow or any other movement that is permitted by other indications shown at the same time. A driver facing a left green arrow may also make a U-turn unless prohibited by a sign. A driver shall yield the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.
JB08.3.08 - 1:25 am
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this law does not say anything about pulling out of the circle, at anytime, without restrictions, to include continuing around for 3 days.
eddieboyinla08.3.08 - 1:49 am
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Nor does it address setting up tents and sleeping bags in the intersection should the cyclists decide to establish the Campsite of Death.
I recommend you write your assemblyman immediately to have this oversight corrected.
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/defaulttext.asp
JB08.3.08 - 1:58 am
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Alex I am all for doing a weekly or a bi-weekly Santa Monica ride.
What happened Friday night while you were absent was, I told the riders to stop at every red light and stop sign. They group generally did do this.
Many tickets were issued for no lights, going the wrong way, making a turn while a car was in the protected lane, etc.
As Fuzzbeast mentioned, cars were blatantly breaking traffic laws, yet the SMPD was focused on the bicycles. So it was selective enforcement. There was one law for the cars and a different law for the bicycles.
skd08.3.08 - 2:27 am
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Please define:
"making a turn while a car was in the protected lane"
Jaz08.3.08 - 8:22 am
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can I get someone to agree with JB that this satisfies my request in order to provide him with the prize of a beer and tube of his choosing.
If he is the winner, who is JB?
sexy08.3.08 - 8:31 am
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A car was preparing to make a left turn, the bicyclist rode up and made a left turn lane first. According to the cop, the car was already in the "protected lane" and should have been allowed to make the left turn first. I saw the incident, but I didn't understand it myself.
The cops were out to give tickets to the bicyclists. Plain and simple.
skd08.3.08 - 10:19 am
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if that was the bicycle with large colorful plastic poles sticking out of the back, i saw that incident too. it appeared to me that the car stopped after seeing all the cyclists, and refused to make their turn. when the cyclists were forced to go around the car, the officer forced his way into the pack with his motorcycle and caught the colorful rider.
next month wear NECKERCHIEFS!
(note: when you ride a bicycle with large colorful plastic poles sticking out of the back it is harder to blend in with the crowd)
kurtz08.3.08 - 11:10 am
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JB said it best in the second post and I think most everyone came to that same realization on friday.
Pragmatic chaos.
realize that the cops are in a conundrum.... the more they break up the mass and try to chase us away. The more chaotic and fun it becomes! The ONLY thing is.... be sure to ride legal!
Having more rides in sm is cool and all but understand that will make each ride smaller over all. When MR was 1700 deep 2 years ago it made sense to break the ride up into more than 1 a month. We didn't have problems with cops we had problems with too many people. But in this case you want SMCM to be as large as possible. So keep the 1 a month format and celebrate the chaos by riding the way the cops want you to. The cops don't realize how short sighted they are being but they will soon find out! Hahahaha
Folks.... THIS is civil disobedience at its best! When we aren't breaking any laws and still fuckin with the man! Hahahahah
Alex you shouldn't be pissed you should celebrate F.U.N!!
I predict next month's ride is going to be even bigger now that we know how to break the bank. Fuck Santa Monica! SMCM FTW!!!
Roadblock08.3.08 - 12:02 pm
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Hey kurtz your swamp bike ruled school man! Why'd you get ticketed?
Roadblock08.3.08 - 12:05 pm
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i didn't get ticketed. i'm on a soma rush. i witnessed the 'swamp' bike get ticketed.
i am not sure i understand the plan. if we simply break up into UNorganized groups, how are we a group ride? sounds like a typical day in santa monica with bicyclists riding all over.
kurtz08.3.08 - 12:48 pm
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Hey Kurtz,
The idea is similar to a ride format we did back in feb 07 called the warriors ride. A giant game of groups playing hide and go seek in a perimeter area. Basically, if everyone generally stays within a certain boundary, in this case downtown santa monica, the groups that naturally form from obeying laws and cops will end up running into each other and regrouping and splitting up and regrouping.
Its essentially what happened on friday and while true that the mass didn't roll contiguously, it was arguably still pretty fun and it presented a confusing situation to the smpd which made it even more fun because it was all perfectly legal. The mass confusion was an unforeseen result of their crackdown which is turbo funnier.
I guess the main issue is that we all would have to let go of the idea that the ride should be one giant mass. After a few of these chaos formats, down the road, it would eventually become clear to the powers that be that letting us roll as one group is the "lesser of two evils".
Roadblock08.3.08 - 5:26 pm
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You know, I agree with roadblock, a bit, I still love rolling with huge numbers, but giant games of cops 'n robbers (pun intended) are fun too. It's pretty easy to do, at the start of the ride, announce the outside border streets, SM is easy to do it in too, the ocean is one side, then announce where and when the first stop will be, start as a group, let the cops do their thing, and then drive them crazy.
The road system in this country was designed around "controlling" the individual automobile, it was never anticipated that 1000's of cyclists would be rolling en masse across them. When an individual is traveling, it makes more sense to have them stop and wait every now and then, however, when a GROUP is traveling together, well the system cannot adapt to this and it results in EPIC FAIL.
FuzzBeast08.3.08 - 5:38 pm
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YA AND YOU GUISE DON'T GO OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES INCLUDING 'WEST' MEANING THE OCEAN, WE TEND TO LOSE A LOT OF RIDAS THAT WAY.
UNLESS YOUR RIDING THIS BIKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1lEH5KTms
eddieboyinla08.3.08 - 5:52 pm
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man, it would be so easy to make a pedaled version of that that goes so much faster...
however, I still think we need to come up with an amphibibike...
FuzzBeast08.3.08 - 6:15 pm
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i'm not sure about the plan so far. but, i'm glad there is an ongoing discussion and we have nearly four weeks to figure it out. i don't think the SMPD give a shit if we each ride our bikes around to the letter of the law. why would they? i agree with alex t.'s suggestion that we target SM with rides the next two fridays (saving the last friday for CM. but, i think we can do better...something moar clever. we could get masks, walkie talkies, i don't know. but, they need to know we are on to them and that they are pawns in OUR game.
that being said, i would love to see the look on the patrolman's faces next CM (or next ride) when just as we roll out of the park, one group goes south on ocean, the next group goes north, another goes straight onto colorado and the 4th rides down the GD pier! four simultaneous critical masses! each with a set route and periodic meeting points. whatever you/we decide, it's gonna be F U N. i'm looking forward to it.
kurtz08.3.08 - 6:18 pm
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The irony of traffic laws in LA is that the almost complete lack of left turn signals forces you to run red lights constantly in your car. You pretty much pull out into the intersection, wait until the red, and then you and the two cars behind you run it. That's just the way things work here. It's practical, and I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this, ever.
So while the SMPD are ticketing you for running a red, there are probably a dozen cars running red lights at that very moment. Of course the SMPD would proably respond with "hurf durf two wrongs don't make a right" but the reality is that neither is actually wrong, they're just the best practical solution to a problem.
mullingitover08.3.08 - 8:51 pm
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i would also suggest a good old-fashioned petition or two. i see people collecting signatures nearly every time we are in that park for one cause or another. we could begin with the residents, and end with the area businesses. once the businesses see grid-lock for hours due to a bunch of pissed off cyclists occupying all the crosswalks on wilshire boulevard and main streets, they will pressure the city to let us free! gird-lock equals lost customers, and greed can be a powerful motivator. let's rally support and take it to mayor herb katz!
kurtz08.3.08 - 10:17 pm
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????????????????What if the cops don't show up??????????????
It has happened as of recently on SMCM ride.
sexy08.3.08 - 10:24 pm
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then we're gonna ride like it's 1999!
kurtz08.3.08 - 10:40 pm
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My camera skills were lacking and my battery was dying. Caught only a snippet of the ride.
skd08.4.08 - 1:36 am
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that paris clip had so much potential.... but left me limp.
Roadblock08.4.08 - 9:26 am
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