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AND IS LIKE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
YOUR SEXIST JOKES ARE SOOOO FUNNNEEZZZZ..
LIKE ASS
AND TITTIES
AND ASS
AND TITTIES.
AND OMGZ A GIRL RIDES A BIKE.....
FAST?!?!?!?!?!?!
HOLY FUCK MIND BLOWN.
YEAH YOU, YOU ARE A SEXIST DICKFUCK.
EVEN A RAPE CULTURE DICKFUCK.
LIKE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE GIRL ON A RIDE, SURELY SHE WANTS TO FUCK ****SOMEBODY****
OR MAYBE
JUST MAYBE
YOU'RE SCARING ALL THE GIRLS AWAY
BEING A CREEPY DICKFUCK
NOW I KNOW YOU AREN'T ALL LIKE THAT
SOME OF YOU ARE EQUALITY MINDED HOMIES
LIKE YO IMMA TREAT THAT GIRL WITH RESPECT
SHE JUST WANTS TO RIDE
JUST LIKE ME!!!!
EMPATHY, YO.
BUT FOR THE REST OF YOU.
THAT MAKE JOKES
AND OMG THAT GIRL IS IN SKIRT
AND HOLY SHIT I CAN SEE HER ASS
AND MAN THEREFORE SHE TOTALLY WANTS MY SEXIST DICKFUCK JOKES
YOU'RE WRONG YO
YOU ARE THE REASON GIRLS DON'T COME ON RIDES.
SEXISM IS ********RAMPANT******** IN THE BICYCLE SCENE.
IF YOU ARE A LADY, RIDE ON SISTER. FUCK THESE FOOLS AND FIND THE GIRLS YOU RELATE WITH.
IF YOU ARE A MAN.
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. SEXISM ISN'T COOL.
ALSO, IF YOU ARE NORMA OR ROSIE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER EXPERIENCED SEXISM IN YOUR LIFE AND FEEL TOTALLY EQUAL TO YOUR MALE COUNTERPARTS IN THE BIKE SCENE BY SOME MAGICAL FAIRY SHIT I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT YET THEREFORE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE YOU
DISOWNED THE SISTERHOOD
LONG AGO
AND CHOSE WHERE YOU STAND
RIGHT NEXT TO SEXIST DICKFUCKS
SO WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.
I've had women check out my ass on rides and even comment about it, i do the same sometimes. I don't see it as sexism by appreciating the beauty of humanity (male or female).
Free bump, drop the negative outlook and start thinking about the positive side of pushing and supporting women in the cycling scene <3
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 10:23 am
I'm just saying. I can't go to a Midnight Ridazzzzz ride without someone making a comment about my skirt or assuming SOME man should be taking me home / trying to fuck me.
Seriously, I would have to SNEAK AWAY if I didn't want to fuck anyone that night so drunk guys wouldn't track me down and stalk me and be like "where are you going, where do you live?" Shit is fucking creepy. And I LOVE boys and am a creep, so if I am creeped out...dude it's bad.
I am right. Sexism is rampant in the bike scene. No one wants to talk about it. And the girls are suffering for it, or simply, they're finding other people to ride with. I did. And no one talks about the fact that I'm a girl. They just fucking ride. It's called equality and respect, learn it, study it, figure it out.
Ridazz are constantly talking about having more girls on rides.
It was friendly advice.
Kind of.
Definitely no less productive than the other bullshit posts on here.
Funzieeee anyone?
Also, I would have never become a feminist (so soon, at least) if all the drama bullying bullshit didn't go down on here.
So even more funnnnnnn irony that I get to come back and teach you all about feminism. B) Clearly I'm still learning myself. The best way to learn is to teach, and I definitely know more than the people around here!
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 10:37 am
Why have you not pointed this out to those of use that know better? (Ride leaders, friends, authorities)
I can say that anyone that knows me, knows that they can come to me if someone is harassing them (male or female). We are a community and look out for each other.
> I'm just saying. I can't go to a Midnight Ridazzzzz ride without someone making a comment about my skirt or assuming SOME man should be taking me home / trying to fuck me.
I've never seen this go down ever. Would love for you to point this out to anyone.
> I am right. Sexism is rampant in the bike scene.
Not from what i've seen. Maybe you're with the wrong group of friends? Bad rides?
> Ridazz are constantly talking about having more girls on rides.
Havent seen this either. We ride to ride, doesn't matter who you are, as long as you're "wit it".
I'm here treating everyone with respect and equality, which should be a given, all i ask is the same in return.
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 10:52 am
OH MAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE THIS OTHER GUY. DID YOU CHANGE YOUR PROFILE PICTURE TO THE PALUCHA MEME ALL THOSE MONTHS AGO? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO I LIKE AND DISLIKE ANYMORE.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ON BREWCREW SO IDK WHAT THOSE GUYS ARE LIKE.
I WOULD COME OUT BUT EVERYONE HATES ME. SO I TRY TO RIDE WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T HATE ME.
Anyway straight up Tim, denying the problem isn't helping. Saying it's not happening. It is, and girls are putting up with it. Guys acting like I need an "escort" home late at night when I ride my bike every single day at all hours in the city of Los Angleles, sexist bullshit.
Just because you are too blind to see it doesn't mean you need to speak ignorantly. Maybe you never see racism, either. Does that mean it doesn't exist?
People TELL ME they are talking about my ass on rides. And I've been there when we're riding behind a girl and the boys got something to say. Dude, watch your mouths.
Anyway I'm sorry bro but you're hella ignorant and I hope and appreciate you taking the time to educate yourself.
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 11:00 am
All i was saying was, since you've been all up in arms over this lately i've been asking around a lot more.. that was your point right? To get your voice heard and this sexism that seems to be rampant amongst your fellow cyclist, right?
I haven't found ONE piece of evidence that supports ANY of your claims. Ask around yourself sometime. It seems to be only happening to you?
Again i ask why you haven't brought this to anyones attention while it was actually happening? We're all out to have a good time and enjoy riding our bikes together, if someone is harassing you, speak up right then and there. This shit is not taken easily.
Brittany, the world is not against you. Help us, help you.
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 11:07 am
Oh Tim I sincerely appreciate you being real and trying to help.
But look, I excommunicated myself from the scene to stand by a cause.
I do not back down from those causes.
The things I believe in, it's not a joke to me, it's not some Midnight Ridazz bullshit. It's my life.
It's the energy I put into the world. It's the only change I'm going to make in the world. It's the karma that's going to come back to me. It's standing up against 500 people to go "look, this is happening and it's wrong" (i.e. bullying & sexism) and losing all my bike scene friends. I don't just say this stuff for shits and giggles. I don't give a fuck about how much forum activity is going on. I clearly don't care what strangers think of me.
And I am telling you, without a doubt, you denying the problem of sexism in the bike scene does not mean it's not happening.
Ignorant is not a diss, or an attack. It's fact. You are ignorant to sexism, just like MANY of the people around here, which is why I made this post. (Honestly, who knows why it was 4am)
I don't think I'm going to change anything.
Nothing has changed around here from forum posts. Strangers talk about me on rides, maybe but that's about it. I don't intend to make any sweeping, real life changes here.
However, I quite enjoy the fact that these people have not run me off from bullying and I am still around to stick up for the same shit that caused all that drama, bullshit, and heartache in my real life.
It's great that you are a good guy, Tim, but not everyone is, and I'm sorry you don't see it. I do request you quit making ignorant comments, though. Simply because you're wrong.
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 11:20 am
My profile pic on MR has never changed. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything...
You're saying im being ignorant despite me going out of my way to question riders about all of these allegations coming from you, to which i still have yet to produce a single shred of evidence supporting your argument. Help us, help you. You're obviously concerned about the biking community even though you've "excommunicated" yourself, let's do something about it.
... but hey, if me trying to hear you out and make sure my friends (like yourself) are safe makes me the bad guy here, then so be it.
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 1:32 pm
You're a good guy man and I appreciate that, but in order to fix a problem, first you have to admit there's a problem.
What can we do about it?
Well, this, we can talk about it. I don't know what to tell you if you haven't seen it. But now you will be more aware. Now you know if you do see it, you can help me out and be a friend by telling your bros that ain't cool.
Anyway it was a troll thread.
Thinking these people are going to have a real conversation about sexism in the bike scene is a hilarious pipe dream.
I know better.
And it's sad.
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 2:00 pm
was going to address this but then I realized that it won't change shit. you'll still be a troll who abuses buzzwords such as "bullying" and "rape culture"...thereby reducing their meaning.
ima just go back to ignoring you. you are the problem.
Don Roadblock, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BLOCK/DELETE HER ALREADY (I know you can).
The bully is still a bully. Bullying is still bullying.
Shrug. I don't know why you feel like you've never experienced sexism. I find that amazing. Good for you. Still, didn't you read my second post. I said Normas need not reply. Clearly, you've never experienced sexism or disrespect on a ride before. Awesome. Lucky you.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
05.13.13 - 2:08 pm
you can start your own website very easily and create your own rides. We started with 8 people 9 years ago... So please go do that. There are millions of people surrounding you I'm sure you will find people of like mind. I'm getting emails from guys and girls who want me to kick you off the site. You are abusing the community by tolling it. please relax and just let this website be. you arent happy with the people who congregate here and you have no supporters in the community that I can find who back up your vision of the community.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:09 pm
I've experienced plenty of sexism, both on and off rides, from both girls and dudes, in and out of the "bike scene"....I just refuse to be a victim about it. taking self-defense, joined an anti-violence against women/girls movement. ya know, positive shit.
and ima reply cause you are once again attacking/harassing my friends. it was relatively entertaining two months ago. now? it's just old. please move on.
Because they are afraid to say anything because they get jumped on like I do.
I don't need to tell you about the emails I receive from cyclist women.
I don't need your validation. What do you think keeps me going? My lack of support?
I don't tell lies.
Ever.
I'm sorry you can't find the supporters, but the people who experience sexism and bullying, they're out there, and I am glad I have a voice for them.
Let me repeat:
You don't see those people saying anything, because they're afraid to. And they should be. This place is a cesspool of sociopathic bullying and bandwagoning and I am proud of the fact that I have the guts to say it, while other people have given up and consider you all hopeless scum.
brittany responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.13.13 - 2:14 pm
I'm no better of a guy than anyone else that rides here.
In order to fix a problem, we have to find the problem. So far, the people i've talked to (mainly women) haven't had any problems recently. Lets find the problem first, then we can work on some type of civil way of resolving it.
Tell my "Bros" to stop? I wouldn't associate myself with anyone that would harass you in the ways you're describing. Sure we kid around sometimes, and that does cross lines occasionally, but what fun would it be if we couldn't make fun of ourselves? I think we all have the same goal when we ride together, to enjoy riding bikes and to have a good time.
"These people", i consider friends, close friends and some even close family at this point. If i wanted to sit everyone down and have a serious conversation about possible harassment within our community, i would think there would be a better way to get the message across apart from "trolling".
Please don't take this as an attack, im not on anyones side here, i just think this can be handled better on both sides and would like to see it resolved in a positive manner.
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:19 pm
Your friend is going to bully me the next time he sees me.
I don't know why.
He can't help it.
I need to know I can go on a ride without John Clark saying a single word to me, and it's over.
But he can not do that.
Because he's a big fat bully.
You're right, it's pretty fucking old. I thought he'd want to stop by now. He doesn't want to stop. Why? Because he's a bully. Straight up.
You want the proof?
I'll go to a ride, and we can watch John Clark bully me. It will be even WORSE and less COVERT now that he knows he has all of your support.
But you know, I'm trying to avoid jail.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
05.13.13 - 2:20 pm
Brittany, please gather up your supporters and start another website and grow your movement. this is obviously not the place for you. I dont see any of your supporters here and it would be very easy for people to register fake accounts and expose the bullying and sexism that they feel. fake accounts are a plenty on here and easy to make anonymous even from me.
If anyone needs to register an anonymous account you may do so by
getting a free email or temp email on a public library department store computer ( a best buy in store computer (etc) )
register to this site on a public computer (to hide your IP)
voice your complaints under the account.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:24 pm
I hold my men to an extremely high standard. I trust my men to take care of me when I drink too much, to not take advantage, to see me as an equal no matter what. Osnap, Hammy, Tyrone, Don, my MoMz, Los Angelopes, my biological brothers, I can go on and on about the men in my life who are a positive influence in my life. I can also go on and on about the women in my life who are a positive influence. in other words, there are hella people in my life who make it awesome.
however, there are also evil cruel PEOPLE in this world. people who stand by while girls get gang-raped and end up committing suicide.
if you have an issue with sexism in MR, by all means, address it. let's address the Brandons of the world. I have had many conversations about the creepers (Gus, I'm looking at you) and the abusers (won't call anyone out cause my girls are still sadly in relationships with them). however, you seem intent on being vague and on attacking the wrong men. I cannot stand aside and let you do that without saying "yo, this girl is full of shit", even if you have a dug a "no one is listening to you" hole for yourself.
I attacked one man who attacked me first unprovoked multiple times to my face.
And he has continually told lie after lie after lie about it.
I have told zero lies.
And you're still supporting a liar, and enabling him to continue the bullying.
I want to go on a ride without John Clark bullying me.
Make it happen, if he's not a bully.
If I'm such a liar, why can't that happen? If I'm so full of shit, here's an idea: How about John doesn't bully me. Then I will be wrong!
As it is now, John is still a bully, and you're still an enabler, and as far as I'm concerned, that's just as bad.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
05.13.13 - 2:34 pm
I guess you will keep going as long as someone pays attention.
I say rather than just yelling to people who obviously dont want to hear from you, you could gather your supporters and start a ride that follows your ideals and create something positive.
be the change you want to see in the world Brittany.
wordpress websites are free... so is blogger and various others websites....
try ning.com as well. very good community social media website. you can kick anyone out that you feel.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:37 pm
Hey as Mister Midnight Ridazz can you do me a favor and ask John Oh Snap Clark if he ever sees me on a ride to not say anything to me?
I have enough bullshit to deal with now, and enough people who are going to give me shit.
As leaders of the bicycle community, with John Clark is a representation of Midnight Ridazz, I think you two should get together and make this happen.
Be the change YOU want to see in the world, Don.
Want me to shut the fuck about John bullying me?
Cool, make it happen that I can go to fucking Spoke N Art without worrying about being bullied by a total creepster stranger who has never left me alone, likes bullying, and now even goes so far to say I want his cock.
This shit is ridiculous and you know it.
Just tell him to stop. Get him to promise you he can do that.
The. End.
brittany responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.13.13 - 2:42 pm
is there a problem with sexism in the cycling scene?
does the heavily male-dominated community sometimes become a bit of an echo chamber in which women/trans* voices are not heard?
totally.
but brittany, i've only met you in passing once or twice (i don't think you even know who i am, but that's not important)
and i really do not believe that you are helping
i don't believe in telling people what to do
but this is my first time EVER posting in the forums
because taking this beef (not diminishing your concerns, but after waaaayyyy too much backreading all i can see is just straight BEEFING) and hiding yourself under this supposed "social justice" blanket is doing you no favors, and frankly, as a avowed feminist/feminazi boner killer i cannot back you up on this
what you have here is not a feminist issue
what you have here is a big social/personality clash issue
so why don't we call a spade a spade
and leave this silly BEEF out of the greater community
the last thing i want is any rida thinking we don't have a real sexism issue in our community
just because brittany went around screaming "misogyny" and "bullying"
it makes me concerned that in the future, bigger issues that will directly impact the makeup of group rides might be ignored
sort of a "girl who cried wolf" kinda deal
feel me?
I guess I'm missing the part where Osnap has said anything towards you while I'm around. who knows, maybe he fears the dictator. hah.
all joking aside tho, if you feel so ostracized, then why continue coming here? when was the last time you were on a ride? as far as I know, Osnap hasn't gotten a U-lock to the face (maybe some flour, but that's another thread) so therefore he hasn't said anything to you.
Osnap is only replying to you on here cause you're once again slandering him. stop slandering him, and he will stop replying to you. boom.
> I attacked one man who attacked me first unprovoked multiple times to my face.
Let's be clear here, physically attacking you or verbally bullying you?
> I want to go on a ride without John Clark bullying me.
When has he actually bullied you on a ride?
Which ride was it?
Can anyone here confirm or deny this?
I don't know Osnap as well as most, but from his general demeanor, he's just a smartass that talks shit along with the rest of us. Perhaps what was said and taken as "Bullying" was just another example of someone talking out their ass?
It's starting to sound like this was a misunderstanding that blew up into a huge movement behind you claiming that I myself, along with the entire community, are sexist.
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:47 pm
Except I never cried wolf without a fucking wolf present.
Lies told: 0
The last time this community TRIED to have a conversation about sexism (See: Bicycle Bitchen) it turned into a bullying attack on me, the conversation sucked, women and female-empowerment spaces were put down, degraded, deemed unnecessary.
And nothing changed nothing is ever going to change, and if I want to make an angry post about it at 4am, I'm going to until RB bans me.
Because it sucks and I'm pissed.
It is common knowledge this forum is sexist and will never change.
Everyone has accepted it.
It's disgusting. It was a 4am troll post, you all will be OK.
Let it sink, then.
brittany responding to a comment by heyomo
05.13.13 - 2:49 pm
but maybe you need to excuse yourself from the conversation
i agree that a discussion about sexism in this community NEEDS to take place
i just do not believe that you should be a part of it
not because you're a woman, not because you're not a "cool enough" or "popular" or "well-liked" enough woman
but because i think you have a lot of learning to do about living an actively feminist life while effectively getting your point across
because if you REALLY want to see some change why are you operating under the same screeching banshee MO for evidently the past four months?
you have to know it's not effective and none of your points are sinking through
hon, please step off the front lines and look hard and deep into yourself. is it the latent sexism that's causing so many problems? or is it this very personal beef between you and another rida? i hate witnessing ostracism in action but that is exactly what is happening, but i cannot blame any other rida here for being at their limit with you
please take a break. some deep breaths. yoga? go for a bike ride. enjoy the really gorgeous weather. recalibrate. spend time with people who would never bully you. hell, i go to therapy every week and i would recommend it to anybody, whether or not they've been branded "crazy."
speculation's not my thing but i'm seeing a meltdown that can only get worse. please take care of yourself, and the first step is letting this beef go. then we can all sit down and hold hands and actually have a real conversation.
heyomo responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 2:57 pm
I don't need fucking witnesses or people to confirm/deny what has happened to me. Why would I need validation from strangers about something true?
That's great that John is a smartass and talks a lot of shit. Me too.
So how do we solve this?
It's not even about John saying things to me, when I think about it. He says them to other people right in front of my face without even the character or respect to look me in the eye.
I want that to never happen again, because I can not be the victim everyone is making me out to be. I will fight back.
Read slowly now, this is very very simple.
If John says nothing about me (because all he has to say is mean and degrading), there is no bullying, and you guys aren't enablers and liars, and I'm not being bullied.
Everyone wins!
Why is the concept of John not bullying me so tough for people to grasp? He simply CAN NOT stop. And now I am afraid it will be worse, and he won't be the only one bullying me. This forum has clearly shown me everyone will jump in. And nobody cares if I'm being bullied.
If you have so much faith in John's character, can you say he won't bully me again? You can't, because he will. He is full of shit.
All that has to happen is John leaves me alone.
It will never happen, and it's because Midnight Ridazz enabled it to be so.
And I want to go to a fucking ride without worrying about going to jail for assault because I will not be the victim of that fucking douchebag.
What happens when you call out bullying on MR? It gets worse.
I'm over it and ready to go to a ride without having to put a mace to anybody's face.
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 2:59 pm
If you think a real conversation about sexism is EVER going to happen, you have a sturdy disappointment ahead of you.
This is the reality.
Anyway dude this was a 4am troll thread.
I agree, totally bad way to have a conversation about feminism.
So not serious. I mean, I didn't say anything that wasn't true, but if you or anyone thought that this was an attempt to start a serious conversation about sexism, knowing damn well not a single serious conversation can happen on this forum, well I'd question your intelligence.
CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
brittany responding to a comment by heyomo
05.13.13 - 3:04 pm
i don't know Osnap, i'm not super hip deep connected bike hipster cool like that
but i feel that maybe if you bow out now
you won't have to worry about this dude tryna talk to you at future rides?
doesn't really seem like he wants to anyways
but also, for the record, since i didn't see any of this "bullying"
please keep in mind there is a difference between two adults butting heads and talking shit to each other, and actual bullying
i'm not calling you a liar or trying to question your perspective
if you feel victimized that is a real concern
but you've got to understand that none of this will stop until YOU back down
shit there's a couple of ridaz i don't click with, and you know what we do?
we don't talk to each other
it's totally easy to be cordial to somebody you can't stand
and for the sake of this amazing, beautiful, fun, progressive community
may i suggest that you do the same?
heyomo responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 3:05 pm
The bullying happened long ago, and this is old news. We decided what to do about bullying months ago, in person, and discussed in other threads.
Nobody saw the bullying and I will never ever feel like I have to explain myself to this place, nor will I give a detailed description of it. So he can pick it apart and tell lies? No, fuck that. I don't owe anybody a single fucking explanation, ESPECIALLY after the way I was treated and attacked for simply saying, John Clark is a bully and I want him to stop.
So what you missed two months ago is the community jumped out and said I am bullying John Clark and in turn, I got bullied even more.
Therefore, John Clark has no reason to stop bullying me, because he has seen he will get away with it.
All I'm asking for, is a commitment that he will not bully me. I know it's ridiculous at this point to think NOBODY will bully me, but it is time for John Clark to leave me alone.
He's gone so far to say I want his cock today. Come on.
By all logical evidence, I would think John Clark wouldn't talk to me and wants nothing to do with me either. I have NO IDEA why he is so dead-set on bullying me on every ride.
I find it extraordinarily hilarious people not only believe him, but you believe him while he has blatantly said he WILL NOT STOP bullying me.
He says anything he has to to manipulate things the right way.
So let's be real.
Can you get John Clark to say he won't bully me in the future?
I bet you can't.
I have NO IDEA why he can't stop. It's really not my concern. That's his issue to deal with. I just want it to stop.
I just want to go to Spoke N Art, and not be worried about being bullied by John, and then having his whole crew join in. Because that's exactly what happened online, and that's exactly what will happen in person.
brittany responding to a comment by heyomo
05.13.13 - 3:14 pm
I became a feminist because I realized if I was a man I would have punched John Clark in the face the first time and I would have never had to deal with being bullied over and over and over again. Since I'm a woman and less strong than him, I can't punch him in the face and he is taking advantage of my feminine inferiority by bullying me because he doesn't have to worry about me being physically superior to him.
It's relevant.
I didn't even know what feminism was until all this happened.
brittany responding to a comment by heyomo
05.13.13 - 3:17 pm
well take this whole situation as Feminist Life Lesson #1:
PICK YOUR BATTLES. WISELY.
maybe Osnap is bullying you, maybe a bunch of ridaz have it out for you, maybe you can't go to certain rides cos you're positive people are talking shit about you... i don't fucking know.
i do know that this fight you're fighting is so not worth it
you're not even getting diminished returns, you're just getting negative vibes and your legitimate concerns are completely clouded by your irrational trolling
normally i would never tell a woman to watch her tone, because that statement in itself is very patriarchal and reductive
but girl, your tone has completely blinded us to anything substantive that you have to say
if this fracas is really about sexism (which i honestly am doubting, and i sus out misogyny on an hourly basis) then the responsibility is on you to bring us back on topic
but all you've ever done is brought the conversation back to this beef with Osnap
petty beef with another rida == any effective way to resolve subcultural misogyny
if you are really, truly about that feminist life
please back down
i can even recommend some great writing on feminist living, progressive spaces, and how to effectively shut down sexism in said progressive spaces
feminism is hard, thankless work
you don't get to half ass it
or use it as a cover for personal problems
but you CAN be a part of positive change
if you are willing to change from within.
heyomo responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 3:35 pm
How come I'm a liar but when I ask if we can get John to stop bullying me it's all crickets?
John, I hear you're not a bully. OK so can you say you won't bully me in the future. Where did you go?
Norma, you say John isn't a bully. Can you say he won't bully me on future rides?
Don, why can't you say John won't bully me in the future?
Where did everyone go?
The truth is obvious. I'm ready to go to rides like Spoke N Art and I am ready for the bullying to end. What happened in the past is in the past. All I ask for is no future bullying.
Why is this so hard?
Is it because John is a bully?
brittany responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.13.13 - 3:36 pm
I sincerely appreciate your advice and feel terrible I have made you feel like this post is a representation of feminism or was in any way an attempt to have a serious conversation about feminism but I will not be having a conversation about feminism on this forum. I know better. It wasn't a serious post. I apologize for the comment about your intelligence, I knew it was rude but I didn't know how else to get my point across that this was not an attempt to have a serious conversation about feminism. It was a rant. A 4 AM rant.
But as a new and growing feminist the idea of backing down to a man who has bullied me and actually becoming the victim of this man whom I have invited none of these cruel interactions with, it's just not going to happen. He likes to assert his power, and I am not going to let him assert power over me. That is bullshit.
But what can I do? Can I u-lock his face? I tried the being the bigger person thing and letting it slide off my back. Maybe it wouldn't happen again. What happened is it happened every single time I saw him. I hit my limit, I wanted it to stop.
This is the battle I've chosen. I'm sure I'll give up soon, just like I did two months ago.
I wasn't trying to have a serious conversation about sexism, and now that I'm wasting an entire day on Midnight Ridazz, I've decided I want John to stop bullying me.
Crickets.
We're talking about bullying now. Separate issues.
brittany responding to a comment by heyomo
05.13.13 - 3:46 pm
but this bullying conversation is literally a mobius loop
"YOU GUYS ARE SEXIST BECAUSE THIS MAN BULLIED ME!"
"I NEVER BULLIED YOU!"
"YOU BULLIED ME AND NOW YOU'RE DENYING BULLYING ME BECAUSE SEXISM!"
"SEXISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS"
"FINE BUT THIS MAN IS STILL BULLYING ME!"
"BUT HE NEVER BULLIED YOU!"
this can literally go on forever
why not stop today
(plus i really doubt Osnap is gonna be the first dude to say something stupid to you, whatever he said, i don't know. but you really can't react this way every time a man is being a dick to you. sometimes you just gotta let him be a dick and laugh to yourself about him jacking off with his tears at night or something. or maybe just be a dick right back, it's great fun being dicks to dicks!)
heyomo responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 3:56 pm
John is a bully and will never stop and you have each other to thank for that.
If it wasn't true, he could simply be like.
Yo Brittany
Beef. Over.
No more bullying.
Ever.
Easy.
Done.
So easy.
Girl I don't even know you.
I don't give a shit SO MUCH I am going to never say another word about you.
None of this is happening because I'm right. I thought it was weird and creepy and illogical that he'd obsessively bully me every time he saw me months ago, I think it's weird creepy and illogical now. Don't ask me to explain it. I don't get it myself.
The obvious question still remains: Why can't John say he won't bully me in the future?
Because I have not seen ANY other people speak up about John's so called bullying and this is a community of THOUSANDS any one of which could speak out on these forums with a fake account and that hasn't happened in the MONTHS that you've been on here accusing John of bullying.
This community is quite vocal, you can see the discourse get pretty intense and there are always people on both sides of an issue that has validity because this is an extremely diverse and knowledge-able and conscious community.
Over the year's people have voiced gripes of all kinds... yet your gripe doesnt appear to have gathered any support.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 3:57 pm
Someone saying something to me that I don't like and someone bullying me are two separate things. It's called bullying. I was bullied. It was bullying. End of story, I call it like I see it, and I don't give a fuck that everyone is mad that I told the truth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
I would not use the bullying word liberally. It's bullying, straight up, and it wouldn't stop then, it won't stop now. It is bullying.
It is plain as day. If it wasn't bullying, why can't I be sure it won't happen in the future?
Because it's bullying, and he's going to continue, thanks to Midnight Fucking Ridazz.
>Nobody saw the bullying and I will never ever feel like I have to explain myself to this place, nor will I give a detailed description of it
So it never happened? We're asking for an explanation so we can help you and put a stop to anyone that genuinely harasses other riders, including Osnap.
> I have NO IDEA why he is so dead-set on bullying me on every ride.
... but "Nobody saw the bullying" "on every ride"? I find it hard to believe that people can turn such a blind eye to something like that if it's happening as often as you say it did. Not calling you a liar, just saying it's seems odd, ya know?
> I just want to go to Spoke N Art, and not be worried about being bullied by John, and then having his whole crew join in.
Had you attended Spoke N Art this past Saturday, and this actually happened. I would have been the first person (among others, im sure) to step in on your defense.
To be honest, i don't think he would have even acknowledge your presence. That's what you wanted, right?
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:02 pm
I'm sorry but if John bullied me no one would stick up for me and they would join in. It's sweet you think that though.
Trust me, John does not acknowledge my presence while he talks shit on me in front of my face while standing in the same circles. He's smart, and good. What can I say?
So I don't want to waste time arguing on if John bullied me in the past. That's over. No one believes me. Cool. I accept that. Lost cause. Months ago.
Everyone disappears when I say....Will John not bully me in the future?
Tim, are you really willing to stick your neck out and say that John won't bully me in the future? While Norma, John, Roadblock, all of his close friends can't say that?
Think about it.
Why won't John say that?
Because he digs bullying me. It's the only explanation for why he would bully me over and over and over again, and refuses to make a commitment to it not happening in the future. He must like it. It's the only explanation I can come up with. I have no fucking clue why he won't leave me alone. I agree, again, it's illogical. It's weird. It makes no sense.
Yet here we are, and John won't simply say "I won't bully you on rides."
Why Tim, why can't he say that?
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 4:10 pm
My argument is, you do not appear to have any support whatsoever for your statement from the community. no one has come out to support you either under their real name or a easily created pseudonym for the months that you have been going on and on about this issue. If you have no support from a community of literally thousands of people then.... you might not have perceived John's alleged interaction with you correctly.
THEREFORE
you should create your own community culling support from the people who support you in your life and move forward and draw supporters from the millions of people that surround you in the city.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:13 pm
these rides are created by volunteers in the community. there is no obligation for them to exist or for them to be a favorable environment to any individual.
again, please do create your own community that lives up to your standards if this one is not amicable for you.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:15 pm
Hours....wait... Months later and we still have zero proof of me doing anything other than not speaking to Brittany. Yet...we are still talking about this. Give it a rest already. Go outside and ride around for a bit. Just get off the internet.
no one expects John to apologize for something that the community doesnt appear to believe he is guilty of.
as of now you have a credibility issue for lack of any support, and one that is severly hampered by your actions by which you have characterized yourself as "trolling"
best thing for you to do is just create your own better community and people will follow it if they fancy.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:20 pm
I'm still trying to find the logic here as well. Starting to think i have to draw myself a map just to figure it all out.
So this isn't about Sexism.... What's up with the subject then? I never post in the forums but felt the need to defend myself and the people i ride with. I'd like to call them my friends, but if they're treating riders differently because of their gender, i don't want to be associated with them at all. That's not what I'm about.
So this is about Bullying.... I was bullied all through Jr High and Highschool, i know how much it sucks and try to step in when i see it going down. Maybe i'm pre-judging here, but from the past what, 6 months of riding, i think it's safe to say that these people would step in as well. No one likes conflict, especially when we're getting together to have a good time.
You really think a simple apology or statement from Osnap saying "I won't bully anyone (not just you)" is going to do anything? If it's that easy im sure he wouldnt mind doing it, hell i'll even do it:
John won't bully you or anyone else, in the future. I don't care if he did, or didn't. The fact here is that he won't.
Now lets move on with our happy lives on two wheels <3
snowman responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:21 pm
So let's move on from the idea you bullied me in the past. No one believes me. That's OVER. Done. Never gonna be proven. You and I will forever be the only people who know the truth.
CURRENT ISSUE:
Are you saying that if you see me in the future on a ride I can be assured you will leave me alone and not say mean things about me where I can hear them? I can promise you the same thing.
Why can't you do that for me, John? Is it because you want to be able to bully me in the future without putting out in the open that you're a straight liar? I know I know, this is awfully hard for you to twist. That's the point. It's logic.
Crickets.
The guy is full of shit it's so obvious.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.13.13 - 4:23 pm
OK so are you saying the next time I go on a ride with John I can hang out with you and if he says anything to me or about me you'll confront him?
Any mention of "crazy emails" is most definitely about me.
Are you surreeeee you're smart enough to see through his hidden ticks at me? They're really good, really hidden, really manipulative. I don't think you are cut out for it, Tim. Thanks, though.
He's really fucking smart.
brittany responding to a comment by snowman
05.13.13 - 4:27 pm
you should not go on rides lead by anyone from this community in the future if you feel there is a threat of anyone in this community bullying you. I know for one that I will try to avoid making contact with you on any ride because I do not want to offend you in any way or have you perceive anything that I do as offensive for fear that thread upon thread will be written about me. It's pretty scary to think about.
Instead, you might consider gathering a group of your friends that you trust and creating your own rides. It will be a lot more fun than worrying about whether someone is going to bully you.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:30 pm
you should avoid anyone who you feel is bullying you. I remember, when I was bullied in school, that I would make it a point to hang out in a different area of the playground. It was stressful of course because the playground is such a small space and sure enough, the bullies in my life managed to find me and my uncool clothes and my snot rag in pocket and make fun of me.
Fortunately the size of the playground is no so huge that the bullies in my life now have no effect on me.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:33 pm
cool thanks. perhaps it would make sense to disable your account to help you in your quest to stay away from here? I would hate to see you stressed out. Lots of folks feel the same way.... sorry to see that things didnt work out here but I'm glad to see that you are creating your own community and continuing to ride bikes.
I've been to quite a few spoken art rides and I havent seen osnap on them that I recall. You may be safe there but then again, you may want to just create your own spoken art ride.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.13.13 - 4:37 pm
I can honestly say I am not comfortable seeing you on rides. I can say I feel physically threatened by you and I will likely call the cops, despite all the shit I talk here right now, I truly feel as though I could be maced, or attacked with a u-lock if you happen to over hear me say "That bitch." which in reality could be reference to Norma, Nhorma, or any number of male friends.
The problem with Osnap doesn't really exist because he's pretty much gone on self-exile from riding due to his own issues with events on rides and even then rarely made appearances outside of a few rides (BSM, RWNN, Westside Mosey, Crank Mob, 2nd Friday if the ride leader was decent)
Your arguments are full of fallacy.
You're words make it seem like you're a threat to the safety of those around you.
You have pretty much admitted your only doing this for attention
You need the D but can't get it
You've been schooled by an actual feminist.
Palucha has agreed to give you the D. Can we please end this with love, not violence?
I have to agree. You boys just need to move along now. how about we all pick on how Panoche wants to move to the Bay despite talking so much shit about it?
or let's pick on Hammy aka Harry Potter
cause really, You know what. You want to know the fucking honest truth. I think it's childish how you guys FEED off of talking shit to each other. It's stupid and that's not how I was raised. It's one thing to mess around, but another to revolve around it. Hamilton you talk so much shit because you were probably made fun of as a kid or some shit. It's pathetic and sad. Panoche you hop on hamiltons Jock whenever he says "You don't know how to talk shit". It's childish really. I don't care for it. You guys are my friends, but you know what, I don't care to be insulting people ever minute of my life, it's a waste of time and energy. Are you men that unhappy that everyday must be sulked in childish insults. I would hope not.
With all this being said, if I choose to jokingly mess around, I will. But I will not be judged on how well I can "talk shit". It's idiotic and retarded.
The next time anyone says anything along the lines of "that's not shit talking" or something stupid like that, I will call you what stand to be, a stupid FUCKING idiot.
I use to LOVE coming on these threads...and for a while i was the only one. It was still fun for me. Now i cringe and hope I never get to see brittanys threads. But sadly you are the only person that ruins it, not for yourself, but everybody around you.
John's World: "The emails she keeps bringing up"
Reality: The emails I brought up once, just now, and John uses to constantly bully me.
Maybe a little Freudian slip there, dear. I think you meant the emails you keep bringing up. :)
John's World: "Were about her wanting the D."
Reality: Were about the fact this douchebag calls me a slut every time he sees me but can't name ONE person in the bike scene I have had sex with, and I told him if he didn't shut the fuck up I will let the truth be known.
The other "crazy email" was to his fiance to apologize that we always have drama between us because of the guys she dates I seem to have conflict with, and I really hope that doesn't come between us being supportive of women in the cycling community. Crazzzyyyy Brittany.
John's a lying douchebag and always will be.
So actually, you're right Omo. They're just showing off their sexist rape culture ways. I want the D because John says I want the D? How WRONG is that?
So John, when are you going to decide to stop bullying me?
How about, now?
Come on let's practice.
"Brittany I am going to stop bullying you."
Instead he's continuing, now bringing sex into it, Jesus Christ.
And you all enable this.
Hamilton you're a fucking ragey basket case and nothing you say or do will ever be taken seriously. The last thing I will ever know about you was "Get raped by a pack of wild dogs."
The conflict with OSnap will be over when he can say.
"Brittany I am going to stop bullying you."
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.13.13 - 9:49 pm
Why do you enable this? Why don't you be a REAL friend to John and be like "Dude, you're acting like an ass. Be the better man and leave the girl alone."
You're an intelligent man. You know I'm not lying. You know if John can't say "Brittany I will stop bullying you," there's a reason.
You are so protective of the status quo of your community, but THIS is your community, bullying, sexist, "She wants the D" dickhead mother fuckers.
A little change wouldn't hurt, RB.
brittany responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.13.13 - 9:52 pm
So anyway, thanks everyone for giving true meaning to the term "bike scum" and allowing your fellow ridaa to be too scared to go to a ride because John might say something about "crazy emails" while not even having the guts to look me in the eye nor talk to me, and Hamilton will tell me to get raped by a pack of wild dogs.
I'm sorry my reaction to not being able to do anything about the constant bullying I receive from OSnap and being too fearful to go to a ride because Hamilton might make me cry or Palucha will do something immature or John will start calling me a slut but can't name one dude I've fucked....isn't living up to your high standards of sexist bullying bike scum.
Fuck you.
What a fucking disgrace of a community. One of your own is treating another of your own like shit, and you call that person a liar, get behind the bully, start talking about fucking her.
You're afraid of me on a ride? YOU SHOULD BE AFTER WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO ME. Yet when I am a victim everyone laughs in my face. When I REFUSE TO BE THE VICTIM and fight back EVERYONE LAUGHS IN MY FACE.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T TAKE THE BULLYING FROM JOHN FUCKING OH SNAP CLARK, BECAUSE CLEARLY THAT IS THE WAY FOR ME TO BE WELCOME IN THE BICYCLING COMMUNITY.
Fuck you.
I just want to go to fucking Spoke N Art and not worry about running into Oh Snap and being bullied by him and nobody here can make that happen, yet you put me down and degrade me for NOT BEING OK WITH THAT.
You're fucking scum.
You are as bad as John the bully because you made him STRONGER AND MORE ABLE to bully and get away with it, and you called me a LIAR and forsake me for it.
You guys are sick, disgusting, heartless, soulless people, and I'm sorry it enrages me that there is nothing I can do other than let John bully me if I want to be a part of the Midnight Ridazz community to the point that I am willing to physically put myself out there just to make it STOP.
I'm sorry I have a CONSCIENCE and MORALS and INTEGRITY and don't get OFF by lying my ass off like a sociopath buffoon and I don't talk like OH THAT GIRL NEEDS TO GET FUCKED and can't LIE TO AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY about the way I act and what goes down in my life.
I'm sorry I'm not a heartless bully like John or Hamilton or Palucha.
I couldn't go to Spoke N Art on Friday because THIS SCENE CONDONES BULLYING.
AND YOU ARE DISGUSTING.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO PARTICIPATED, WHO CALLED ME A LIAR.
JOHN LIES TO YOU CONSTANTLY.
HE WILL NEVER STOP BULLYING ME.
AND YOU HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME FOR THAT.
YES YOU, THE PERSON SUPPORTING HIM.
AND EVEN YOU, THE PERSON LURKING AROUND NOT DOING OR SAYING SHIT.
I AM NOT MADE OF FUCKING STONE, LIKE JOHN HERE. The only feeling that boy has in his black heart is PRIDE and you are disgusting for telling John that bullying is OK, he is allowed to continue this gross mistreatment of someone he doesn't even fucking know.
BEING CALLED A LIAR.
BEING BULLIED BY MORE PEOPLE.
BEING TOLD TO GET RAPED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS.
BEING LIED ABOUT.
You guys are no conscience pieces of shit.
I had zero options. I could not continue to be bullied and live in fear of John. I did what I had to do. I am doing what I have to do.
You know what makes someone want to put a U-Lock to someone's face?
Being told that's it's OKAY that John bullies you, you should just take it, and we will even support it, we will call you a liar even when he bullies you IN FRONT OF OUR FACES.
That shit might set someone off. It may make them troll a bit. It may make them want revenge. It may make someone want to take control of the bullying happening TO THEM and be able to fight against it.
I am never disappointed by the complete lack of heart, conscience, common sense, and pure cruelty that goes on on this forum.
But me trolling a bit is going too far?
Jesus, get some fucking perspective. Some empathy. Hamilton can tell me to get raped by dogs, John can bully me for months, the rest of you can jump on the bandwagon and say terrible things about a total stranger with only a small picture of real and honest information, but me trolling a bit at 4am isn't OK?
Let me say it again: Fuck you.
I just want to go to a fucking ride and not be bullied. I'm 23 fucking years old this is fucking ridiculous.
Victim blaming is bullshit, and most of you are smarter than that. So stop it.
I did not bring this on myself. John and I had zero interactions before he started bullying me. All I did was ask for it to stop. And that's why I deserve more bullying?
Relax. Take some time off of these forums. There is no need for this anywhere. Remember now, these forums calmed down for awhile until you posted remarks on the MR-90's Ride thread. There was no need for that, at all. People had dropped the subject and your name wasn't being thrown around because people had moved on
Brittany, ride your bike. Take a break from Midnight Ridazz. Explore the city with your friends. Go on ride but just don't bother with people. You once had conflict with a couple of riders years back too. You left and came back. People said hi to you and others didn't have a clue who you were. I saw you on every ride being quiet or getting high but nothing else. You even once called me sexist, for calling some girls in a car beautiful. But regardless, just take a chill pill. Let Osnap do Osnap and you do you. If you do that, there won't be problems for neither of you and hopefully, things will move on.
Why dont you talk to the rest of the women in the community and form a bond ir ride group and boycott the rides you think are sexist?
This scene does have way too many guys - its a problem in cycling in this country in general.
But there is a certain credibility that you lose by getting on these boards and telling everyone to fuck off and how much you hate people in this scene and you continue to come back and "troll" (as you describe it. ) your voice becomes shrill and dismissed. This is the reputation you've cultivated for months (even years?)
You would have a lot more credibility if you didnt "yell" or browbeat people with your rants - which may very well be legitimate. The more someone yells and throws insults the more they get dismissed as crazy the less credibility they have.
I know there are other women who feel cycling and this scene is dominated by men. Its a very legitimate gripe. And i feel pretty dumb for getting involved and seeing immature comments from hamilton and osnap and palucha after putting in work trying to calm things. But at least those kids arent yelling and trolling on these boards.
You should go and link up with women ride groups... Bicycle Bitchen - Womens Brunch - Squierrel Scouts - whirly girls - ovarian psychos...
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.14.13 - 9:11 am
Form your own womens group. Guys in their natural uneducated state are mostly short sighted dumb apes. They want food, fuckin and to beat their chests. You alone will NEVER change that by yelling and browbeating and insulting people. Seek out other women and conspire to change things by putting your heads together and forming strategies on how to educate the dumb apes that we are.
If i was a girl i would go underground and only invite the guys that i like to rides that i create and control if i wasnt happy hanging out with a bunch of immature apes.
In fact i dont go on a lot of rides because a lot of rides the only goal is to get drunk and its mostly a bunch of dudes drinkin and hanging out in parking lots. I pick the rides based on whether they actually do something productive.
Create a productive womens ride and invite select guys that you dont feel threatened by if you invite guys at all.
Really? Really? I tried being relaxed about it. Just played along and really didn't care. After months of someone flat out posting the most ridiculous lies over and over... I lost my patience. I will tell you the same thing I told Brad... I honestly could care less if she likes me.. but she needs to cool it with the posts.
I was hoping you would ban her and delete these stupid threads. I could come to the forums without seeing my name all over the place with pure nonsense. Think about it from my position?
yes really. I respect you greatly as a ride leader and you have a LOT of credibility in the Midnight Ridazz family for all of the work that you've put in. Its actually completely amazing man seriously. You create spoke card art and put a LOT of thought into what you are doing for years. It's completely rad.
HOWEVEr....
why in the fuck, after all the never ending shrill trolling from Brittany and after the work I put in in this thread to try to calm it down and try to be rational, would you guys come back with snarky remarks that enflame the situation? The point of all this is to resolve our issues and smooth things out.
The guiding principle of Midnight Ridazz is that it is all inclusive, its nearly impossible to get banned unless it is obviously a fake troll account. Brittany is a real person using her real name to troll so in that case, we are trying very hard to work for a resolution based on bike love.
Roadblock responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.14.13 - 11:25 am
I'm sorry for the drama and I completely disagree with violence and definitely think if this was a different situation, the right thing to do would be to let it roll off my back.
But it's bullying, constant, obsessive, creepy, never ending bullying.
I have found zero solutions to it. It's only getting worse.
And when I tell my friends and try to get advice, they tell me "Why do you let him treat you like that?"
That is the point and guiding principle of my battle. I will not let him treat me this way.
I will not be letting a stranger, engaged, really quite sociopathic (constant lying...) man treat me in this manner. I will fight back.
I do hope if I see you tonight, John, you can be smart (humble) enough to keep your mouth shut, if only out of respect for Brad, because I really don't want to put you in your place on one of his rides, but make no mistake: I will.
You have constantly degraded me to my face on Brad's rides, with no respect for him or the energy of the situation. It is time for me to fight back. I gave you many chances to simply...stop.
Roadblock, he treats you like this because he has no respect for anybody other than himself, he is self-serving, rude and simply does not give a fuck about anybody but himself. Yet, I have 0 sympathy for you, because you enabled this. I told you two months ago you created a monster, a tyrant. And I was right.
If you are man enough to bully a twenty three year old girl when you clearly have better things to do, you work full time, you're engaged, you have a weekly ride, you have a thriving social life, you think you're famous, yet still can not stop obsessing on me, then you are man enough to face the consequences.
You are a pussy and I exposed you. Big fucking deal.
Everyone thinks terrible untrue things about me all the time. It's not my fault I told the truth about you - maybe you should be a better person. Not a bully. Maybe you should have stopped when I asked you to two months ago. Maybe you should have stopped this week. But you chose not to. I have found that people never make changes until there are consequences. It is time to pay the piper, John. Your bullying of me is over.
People call me crazy? LOL Yes, I'm crazy, but isn't John too?? He lies to all of his friends, makes shit up, attacks people unprovoked, can't even deal with a tiny criticism without going off on his friends and deleting their Facebook posts. If I had to trade my mental health for Johns, I would be very, very worried about myself. Just because he is comfortable with his mental illnesses doesn't make him any less crazy than me. Reality.
I would rather care too much than not care at all.
He only pretend to cares because it's part of his manipulative word twisting psycho ass game. If he really cared, he'd just stop bullying me. Then I'd shut up.
Duh. He's smart enough to know how to end this. He does not want to.
Good, face the consequences. I am not your victim John.
I'm going to jail tonight if I see you and you start to bully me.
I only hope I have a couple of sympathizers that can have my back.
I'm ready for this to end.
you have officially offended me which is difficult to do.
Rosie and Norma are beautiful, strong-willed women in this bike scene. why? because they are a positive influence to many.
Rosie is a part of a beautiful sisterhood, Squirrel Scouts, where they create F.U.N. from scratch and give unconditionally to this community.
Norma is a Mom Rida, in a "bike gang" where she is a remarkably confident woman who stands her ground and is a dominant force in the Mom Ridaz family.
i don't care to hear why you disagree with me. your opinion doesn't matter, i just wanted everyone else to know that i love them, i am inspired by both of them and i enjoy my time with them always!
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"please tell so-and-so to stop bullying me," you say.
i say, grow the fuck up. life is not fair. your life is not in danger. you have never been threatened. it's your word vs. Osnap's word and i'd take his side any day.
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you're wasting your life. you see, this is just five minutes of my time to type on here and then i'm out making shit happen, living life and enjoying it.
you, however, are obsessed and crazy and psychotic. it's true and i am not afraid to say so.
i started an all girl's ride on westside years ago, SIRENS. we fueled each other and built confidence in ourselves together as we learned how to ride fast fearlessly through the streets of LA. we even raced together in Wolfpack's All City Race. the sisterhood we built will never be broken. we encourage and strengthen each other and it doesn't just stop with us.
girl, you have got to realize (AND WE ARE ALL TELLING YOU!) get off of midnightridazz.com, start your own ride on your own website, find your own tribe and enjoy your life. this is unhealthy for you (not us, we could give a shit) IT'S UNHEALTHY FOR YOU. you are sick and you need to get better.
the first step to acceptance is getting out of denial that you will change any of our minds. (i realize i probably won't get through to you either) but fuck it, the second step is to do something about it by moving on with positivity in your life.
now go and be at peace. you are no longer welcome here or anywhere i (or my family) ride, live and breathe.
John hasnt "treated me" like anything. Im not offended in any way personally. I just think its short sighted to "feed the troll" by egging this non stop shrill barage of browbeating that you serve up on here. Its not productive to solving your issue which is legit just presented in a way that inspires people to dismiss you.
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.14.13 - 12:40 pm
And when i say "legit" im referring to the imbalance of males to females not ur accusation of bullying. Youve been antagonistic to people so much on here that the only possible reaction to you is ignore or be antagonistic.
I'm not sure that Mike Tyson is anyone that you should emulate in any way. Isn't he an ear -snacking rapist? Unless you are making fun of yourself, I'm really concerned...
I wrote a really nice and long, genuine apology to anyone who feels like I disrespected them without naming them personally, like I declared myself an enemy.
But to be honest, I don't think you guys deserve it. I think I will just be attacked and called a liar.
I am really, really proud of myself for standing up for myself, for telling the truth, and for not only once, but continually making a statement that no man will EVER treat me like John Clark does, and I will just stand by and take it.
It's illogical. It makes no sense. It's creepy. There is no logical reason John can not leave me alone. I can't put the pieces together. John and I have never had romantic relations, never really spoken to each other.
There is no logical reason John can't just LEAVE ME ALONE. That's all I've asked for.
I'm still angry, bitter and hurt that the people here rallied together to call me a liar and worse, let the shit continue.
John is no longer the primary reason I am bullied by John. That responsibility has shifted to the people who called me a liar and enable it to continue.
I really hope when you guys see John talk shit on me in the future, in front of my face, you can help me, because I don't know how I will react.
You can't imagine how infuriating it was to be called a victim by Hamilton. I am not a victim of these assholes, and again I'm proud of myself for taking the action to make that be true.
When John talked shit on me and I didn't react, nothing changed.
I will react, and I am proud of the changes I have made, and the spotlight I have shined on his continuous lies to people he and others have the nerve to call "family."
Family doesn't lie to your face, and continually beat down a girl he does not even KNOW and refuse to stop.
This shit is sick, and it's not me. He is sick, and can't stand the fact that I'm not enabling him to do whatever he wants, because can you name anyone who has stood up to him before?
This is all new for him, and John needs your help as friends to tell him that bullying makes him look bad, he is showing his true colors, and he has the opportunity to be a good man and act like he's not a bully. I've given him opportunity after opportunity to protect his reputation and show he is not a bully, yet he chooses to show the truth. I will not coddle his lack of personal responsibility for this situation he finds himself in, that his actions put him in, while taking responsibility for the fact that people think I'm crazy, and these actions I took caused reactions and I understand the consequences. John is a grown, intellectual man, and can take responsibility for his actions as well.
I need your help in not reacting to his bullying. I am ready to move on and we are going to move on from this. I'm sick of being afraid to go on rides.
I'm going to let him bully me, for the last time(s), in front of all of you.
And I will fight back.
It's time to take this shit off the forums and into real life.
I appreciate the people who have seen what's obvious and in front of their face, and not called me crazy or invalidated the very real reality that I'm going to go on a ride tonight, and John will NOT leave me alone, and I am going to make sure nobody ever thinks of me again as a "victim."
John: Let me make sure we are crystal clear. I am 100% willing to say zero words to you, keep shit kosher, to not talk shit on you even if you can't hear me on the same ride, to let this go and move on. But if you are going to talk shit on me, to my face, you will not find the same quiet, let-it-go girl you have in the past. You will experience reaction, and consequences. And I am not one of those people who says shit online I wouldn't back up in person. Call my bluff. I'm ready, baby. It's been two months. This shit is going to end, tonight if need be.
Hopefully you make the mature decision to keep your mouth shut, and let this end without drama. I just hope these guys can not be so ignorant to think I started it, because I react with more aggression. Pay attention, and see who really starts shit. It will be enlightening.
I think you missing the point of why I posted that. This interview is way before all the crazyness happened. It's pretty clear Robbin Givens isn't telling the truth in this interview and when Mike was asked many years later why he didn't say anything he said
" if I did act crazy it would pretty much confirm what she just said" .... "So i just sat...not saying nothing"
I tried being cool about this I really did... I tried being nice and running with the joke and today I pretty much said fuck it lets end this. Maybe if I actually do say something ultra bad it will get her to stop talking about me. It was in poor taste and made things even worse.. I can't even post about a ride without long paragraphs about a situation that never happened. It's frustrating. Especially when i thought all this was dead and over.
OsnapsonJC responding to a comment by alicestrong
05.14.13 - 4:24 pm
You have every opportunity to let this be dead and over, right here, right now, the next time we see each other's faces.
Your true colors are showing, John.
I knew you wouldn't leave me alone. This is why I'm ready to fight back. You don't want to, you never will. The ONLY way to end this is to STOP BULLYING ME.
You have met your match.
Careful, John. This facade isn't holding up. Even your greatest supporter will see that you obviously are doing nothing to end the drama, and in fact are fueling it, and the words you speak do not back up the actions you take.
I just want it to end. Ball's in your court. I'm just saying I will react to any attack on me.
I know when my crazy ass doesn't even understand something crazy, something's really fucking twisted. You are an embarrassment to yourself, and you could have handled this better. All you are doing is showing people you are exactly the man I said you were.
I can't help but be somewhat giddy that you're just proving my points, and are too arrogant to even see it.
I'm ready to fight, but I'm ready to let it go, move on, and take a deep breath and have a super good, drama free ride just as equally.
Again, ball's in your court, and you're showing your truth with flying colors.
I've been trying to help you, but you are the one digging yourself a grave.
One of us has a consistent story, and no one really knows the truth but me and you. What do you want them to think?
If you don't want them to think you're a bully, I must suggest you don't bully me. This is all I want, and the clear and obvious solution.
Everyone is going to see your true colors when you attack me, unprovoked, and don't have to hide it anymore, because these people enabled you.
I am telling you you have the option to not make this your reality.
But when it becomes your reality, it's what you deserve and I and other silent observers are laughing in your face, just like they did me.
You want me to shut up about you bullying me, but don't want to stop bullying me. These are consequences. There are no other options. Show people your true bully self, or stop bullying me. I didn't go away. You didn't win. The truth is coming out.
Your next moves should be planned very, very carefully. It would be a mistake to think people will continue to support you while you disrespect their request for the end of drama and pure cruelty. Your arrogance is amazing.
You're welcome.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.14.13 - 4:43 pm
Something I'll learn from this community is how the rider actions influences others. I've trolled and I've been trolled on, especially on these forums but it's always because of cause and effect. John and I once had a problem going on so we didn't talk. In-between this time he didn't really care. I didn't feel bullied. His friends didn't like me and I could understand why. Norma once gave me attitude at Aglago but I just shrugged it off. I never had the case of John going up to me and talking shit nor did I feel a bad vibe from him. He did his thing and I did mine. You made your point about a month ago about how you hated, yet after that blew off you came back for no reason and began bringing it up after John hosted his ride and was getting congratulated. Look it up. There was really no need for your trolling. I hope I see you tonight and don't feel threatened by your presence. I'll shake your hand and hope we can avoid the issue like adults.
Here let me translate John's bullshit response into the reality response for you.
Pretend I'm John:
I carefully only respond to the things Brittany says that I can twist in my favor.
Since she's said she will physically attack me if provoked, this gives me permission to be physical with her unprovoked.
I am going to completely ignore that she requests to leave her alone, promises to leave me alone in front of the entire community, and the obvious reality that if I left her alone, she'd have nothing to react to, and drama would be POOF. Dust.
Ironically, showing I am just the ass Brittany said I was. I'm too arrogant to realize this.
Brittany has an extremely hard time understanding how I can be this intelligent to be so manipulative with her words, but so fucking dumb that I can't understand that no one will think I'm a bully IF I DON'T BULLY PEOPLE.
I am arrogant and have no idea the truth is being brought to light, and it's not even Brittany's fault. Just mine, mine alone.
OK now pretend I'm Brittany:
I'm not even going to acknowledge you John. I am looking forward to you showing people the real bully that you are. I am not afraid of you.
Tick, tock. I'll be on the blue line soon, and it's much, much harder to manipulate people in person. You only have a few hours to get some brains.
brittany responding to a comment by alicestrong
05.14.13 - 4:57 pm
Hey on the real I think you've shown some real maturity and if you want to hear my side, alone, in a private conversation, in person, I definitely think I can do that for you and would appreciate the chance. I might cry.
This ends today.
brittany responding to a comment by palucha66
05.14.13 - 4:59 pm
This has honestly gotten out of hand. I will admit the dick jokes were wrong. I took troll bait and got frustrated. It is what is. Its pretty frustrating to do do much and be such a cool positive person to be a bully when that's not the case. Hopefully people can look past the poor dick joke judgement and meet me in person. Im far from whatever is being sad in this thread and actually a very nice friendly guy in person.
Having said that ....im done. Im going to just let this go because its not worth me getting frustrated over.
You can know without a doubt, if you see me on a ride, I won't talk shit on you, because that would just make the people around me uncomfortable who adore you, and make them dislike me and think I really am dramatic. That's no F.U.N. I will never, ever approach or attack you unless you do what you have done in the past, talking shit on me in the same circles, bringing up "crazy emails" etc. You are safe John. I just want the same thing for myself.
I truly hope this is over.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.14.13 - 5:51 pm
what's extra fucked up about this situation is that there is plenty of young women who experienced far worse and real traumas, including myself, in the scene but won't say a damn thing. no, i don't believe that you have ruined it for me.... completely, but i already know it's not possible to engage in this topic...because it seems to have been tried and not taken seriously.
you need step back and to re-evaluate. You are wearing deeply on the scene, in a way that is not conducive to change for the good. you are wearing deeply on your own psyche.
They wouldn't say anything and this topic was not taken seriously long, long before I came along.
Search thread topic titles: Bicycle Bitchen. Before the drama with me started.
A productive, intelligent conversation about feminism here is a pipe dream.
It might even be worth saying: A productive, intelligent conversation here is a pipe dream.
Shrug. I didn't even know what a feminist was until my drama with JC. Clearly I still have a long way to go. I'm just glad i got throttled onto the path, and think it's ironic and fun Midnight Ridazz put me on that path, when before my only concern was dick and tutus.
I should be saying "Thank you."
brittany responding to a comment by mechazawa
05.14.13 - 5:55 pm
wait wait wait.... people have been bemoaning you for much longer than this osnap thing or the bitchen thread... I remember antagonistic conversations happening like a year or two ago...
Roadblock responding to a comment by brittany
05.14.13 - 6:53 pm
It doesn't matter now. She came out to Brad's pizza ride. It was chill and mellow. Everyone had a good time. That's the way things should be. Mo Pizza less time on forums for everyone.
palucha66 responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.14.13 - 11:33 pm
it was three years ago. 2009. you can search your own forums. I was an arrogant teenager. Foolish. 19 years old. I talked shit on the bike scene. I acted like I was better than the people I rode with.
MoM
Thread started by brittany at 11.14.09 - 10:17 am
is one example
When I refer to John in this post, it's not OSnap but Debut213. D
what ended up happening is even after I said I hated everyone, that I
brittany responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.15.13 - 12:44 am
oh damn guess i can't edit now. Editing is really fucking useful to me. you can only imagine how long my posts are pre-edit....
What happened is debut213 now leaves me alone and I politely suggest everyone leaves Debut213 out of this as I super appreciate the fact that he has left me alone in this new, 2013 drama we have. I am assuming he has matured and moved on. Props, big ups, even if he currently hates me, at least he isn't using the forums to express it. He could teach the rest of us a lot.
i just wanted to say that was the john i was referring to.
we are now done talking about this innocent bystander
however, for those keeping score and track of these forums, the #1 "crazy email"...
anyway what ended up happening is i was shown even when I act like an arrogant, better than, non-bike scum teenager, (I OBVIOUSLY project on palucha, who is no where near the shitty 19 year old I was)...
The Mom Ridazz NOT bike scene.. Specifically mom ridazz...would welcome me back with love, understanding, forgiveness, and a willingness to not care about this forum bullshit but respect the people who show up on rides and Ride Your MoM like the fucking Kickass bike scene we are.
THAT is when I learned about bike family. Who else remembers 4:20 Tuesdays, Saturday Echo Park, when MoM ridazz actually showed up to Cribbage Club? I do.
so when I talk shit, it's because I got SCHOOLED on bike family long before half these mother fuckers even had bikes, or Midnight Ridazz accounts. These fuckers don't even know half of what they're talking about these days
You can talk shit on me, and call me crazy all day long, but I know at the the deepest point...the bike scene is good hearted. You guys see the truth and know it when it's in front of you. So what it took me two months to get my point across... I did it... didn't I?
and we love each other. at the end of the day, most of us are going to accept and understand and appreciate anyone who needs to get on a bicycle to feel whole.
And people like John Oh Snap Clark who feel like his human form on a bicycle is better than any other person on a bicycle...they're going to falter and end up as hated as I was in 2009....because none of us are better than anyone...
If you want to be Midnight Ridaa...You don't have to be a Mom, or Angelope, you don't even have to go to Wolfpack Hustle (although it'd be pretty badass). You are a Midnight Ridaa if you simply ride at midnight. I was riding at Midnight tonight.
I have completely taken to heart and always respected the old school roots you have in midnight ridazz...roadblock..but at the end of the day, no matter how much merch you sell, you are NOT midnight Ridazz.
I am Midnight Ridazz. And so are you, silent lurker.
And all we ask is to not take part in bullshit we found in the typical-culture scene. There's a reason we don't go to bars, or clubs, or associate ourselves with the typical hollywood lifestyle
Burn Hollywood Burn.
and if someone wants to act like he's better than other people, entitled to more rights than other people, entitled to treat other people like shit because he's a ride leader, fuck no I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks.
Because at the end of the day, I know deep down in my heart no Documentary makes that mother fucker a Midnght Ridaa. It's the love, forgiveness, and inclusiveness that made me a midnight ridaa.
not your fucking bike gang. not how long you've been riding. not the "date created" on your MR account. No one even knows who Trenway is anymore.
and thank goodness for my 2009 experience, or I would have reacted quite differently. I would have become one of the people who act like I ride a bike more respectfully than ANYONE who associates with "midnight ridazz"
I would ride with a new cycling community, and chip into the bullshit gossip of how MR people are alcoholic, cliquey bike scum.
But I didn't do that, because I am one of you. I stuck around, because I wanted to be here. I trolled to take control over the trolling that was happening to me. I have zero regrets.
so the next time ANYONE wants to talk shit on how I used to have drama with the bike scene, in 2009, and that is a reason to invalidate the fact that John is a bully, I will happily school you on my past experiences with conflict in the bike scene. Plenty of old school midnight ridazz will tell you about issues they had from the forums. and they will tell you how to move on. These people teach me. Thank you. your silence means nothing, but your personal, private support means everything.
anyway, I am pretty sure, like 99% that John has just said he is willing to let this go, move on, not say shit, bike love status. So it's time to leave John alone. It's time to leave me alone. Because we all belong here. Sociopath, crazy ass white girl, whatever the fuck, we're all welcome.
Shoutout to Drooby and other OG Mom Ridaaz who allowed this to be so.
Shoutout to Roadblock who could have easily solved this conflict and ended the surely annoying emails to his inbox just by banning me.
Shoutout to Palucha for being a better teenager than I ever was.
Shoutout to Debut 213 to allowed me to use his nick to make a point, but will hopefully continue his mature reactions and be a better (wo)man than I am by not reacting.
Shoutout to Sara Bond for trying to help me even until her last point of being fed up with me.
Shoutout to Rosie and Norma for taking the high road when I talked shit on them at 4am and not reacting, and showing me BY EXAMPLE how a woman should act in the bike scene. No amount of shit I talk could trump the reality that these girls let me have my say, my crazy moments, my trolling breakdown, without attacking me completely provoked. I hope one day I can have the maturity that these girls have.
I could learn a lot from you and I'm sorry for ever underestimating you. I hope my admittance to projecting on you helps you understand why I am so specifically hard on you. I still have a hard time believing I'm not a teenager.
You had every option to not acknowledge me, yet you chose to treat me with respect and acceptance.
You are Midnight Ridazz to their very core, and I am proud you are a Mom Ridaa. I have a really shitty real-life mom, so when my MoM can forgive me and accept me, it means a lot.
Palucha can be a real shithead on the forums sometimes, but it's who we are in real life that matters. No one forces him to make a positive post here. I wish I was that smart, mature and cool when I was his age. Then people wouldn't be bringing up shit I did in 2009.
brittany responding to a comment by palucha66
05.15.13 - 1:35 am
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