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Has any ridazz been a little naughty and needs a nice spanking? Or have you been saving that black catsuit costume for a special occasion? Well, its time to get a little kinky and dress up for some fetishes. Bring out the costumes, leather, latex, hand cuffs, masks, 6 inch high heels, and etc! 6 We are keeping it playful and fun, so be creative!!
We are meeting at 9:00pm instead of 9:30, so we can have time for some spanking!!
Well, August 22nd is out of the question for me. But if it were on Sept. 22, I'd definitely be there.
I'm talking up a trip to SanFran with my wife for the big weekend and it looks like we're going...gotta google the start point for the ride though and make my room reservation appropriately.
Maybe have room to be a bike transporter if we take my truck, but I can't promise anything at this point.
Girls - we dont mean any disrespect to you, and please dont take offense to those pictures above. come on out and have a good time! we will have some pretty funny contests going on!!
i need to borrow a blow-up doll for the ride - anyone have one?
also, can anyone bring some dildos for the dildo relay race?
I can't help it.
I'm a guy, and I like women.
That doesn't make me any kind of sicko.
So please don't be offended by any pics or video I may have put up.
In fact, you should be glad it's not something along the lines of this one.
However.....If there is a serious lack of women on this ride I may dodge off. I'd feel kind of funny wearing boarderline clothing with a large group of men through LA. Don't get me wrong, I'm secure enough in my manhood and all. Hahaha!
On the gypsy ride, Eric played some pirate song. We all looked like a bunch gay pirates careening through Boyle Heights. It was a fun ride, and we all made light of the song.
My bike on the other hand is all about the fetish ride!
aww your so sweet ... i just dont know how much i want to skank it out i was thinking of doing the school girl thing but thats a little played out ... hmmm any suggestions
off topic, I saw some talk yesterday, that someone who is familiar with the subject, would call serious sexual harassment. This happened at one of our community bike fixing establishments yesterday. Please be mindful of the words you use toward the ladies in our community. I was a little taken back with some of the things said to one of our core girls yesterday. I take one comment to be of youthful indiscretions, the other one was, probably a person just considering their words to be joking around. Unfortunately in our society, I think females just have to put up with ignorant comments and references, as an everyday occurance.
Think about what you are saying before you say it. I'm not talking about half naked women on bikes. I talking about degrading and unwelcoming comments to women, either about being inferior, or doing things that must people wouldn't do unless in desperate situations. Your words could be every damaging to a person psyche.
If this non-sense didn't exist, we could probably eliminate the need to have, 'womens only' days at our community bicycle fixing establishments.
You are referring to all the "nipple" comments and such that were flying around at the oven (she was lacing a wheel).
One thing you forgot to mention is that all these comments back and forth were started from the female in question. Another thing you fail to recognize is that the people involved are good friends. The very same as some of the talk between people on this very board. It's no different.
If this was such a problem, why didn't you say something right then and there? It's more disrespectful of you to shout out accusations on a public forum than it would have been to just say something when it was appropriate.
Don't start shit. Just don't.
No one likes an instigator.
Seriously, all you had to do was just ask her and the rest of everyone to knock it off if you felt offended.
I was talking with some San Diego people riding back from the "Swarm the Pier" ride and asked them how are their rides different from ours and the one thing they pointed out was that their rides have an equal number of men/women.
I don't know why ours are so unbalanced.
Well... I think I know...
Sports and beer drinking tends to be a male thing...
I know it's unfair to characterize MR or genders that way but it can be interpreted that way if all the "landmarks" we stop at are liquor stores.
You really see more women come to the rides when you add umm... more "art & culture" to it. For example:
Architecture & Urban explorations with RideArc & Armed Librarians
Game rides like the ones Riss organized
Dance rides like the gypsy one etc
And here is an idea for a ride: "The no cameras ride".
Now one person gets up to dance and ten people will surround him/her with cameras flashing away.
If more people danced and less people took pictures we would have better rides.
Stop gawkin and shake your booty you friggin loozzerzz...
No it wasn't the "nipple comments" that I never heard. Shouting out accusation, is not what I'm doing. I was asking people to take in consideration of what they say to the ladies around here. I didn't go into specifics of what was said, or where it was said. I could have been anywhere, the BikeOven is not the only community place in town to work on one's bicycle. The point I made did not name names, or specifics of what was said
I feel bringing this up on a forum like this is more constructive, then, possibly either,embarrassing someone or offending then about what I'm saying, so that they may not be in the right state of mind to really hear, absorb, and take into consideration what it is that I'm saying.
SpeedyBrian's comment on this forum, made me think about the situation, and I felt it was important to bring to everybody's attention to think about how abusive certain words could be to a female. This problem is very prevalent in our society.
It does not matter how good of a friend someone is with another person, saying degrading things about one ability to do something just because of their sex, can be harsh to one persons mental health. This kind of abuse happens with long time loving couples, all of the time, its called verbal abuse. There was other things that was said at this community center that was also abusive to this lady. She did seem to take it in stride, but I felt it wasn't anything constructive, and could possibly do damage. I did make a comment to the person involved, although I didn't really feel it would be effective or appropriate to give some guy younger then myself a lecture, while we where all working.
Starting shit I not. Instigating anything, I'm not trying to do. Judging from the comments reguarding what I said, people may feel, bringing this to everyones attention is approriate.
As for the camera thing, Marino wrote about, I have to agree with you. Not just for women, but just to be able to let lose, and not have the moment documented for life, would make for a good time without having to worry about future repercussion from a photo. I know a few of my friends started requested that people stop taking pictures of them. I have had in my own personnel life, love ones taking the subject matter of myself in a picture, way out of contents.
I was talking with a lady friend of mine last weekend, and she told me the reason she won't go to BuringMan is due to pictures of her doing whatever, may show up wherever. Pictures she said she may never know, our posted. She said, yes I could ask the person who posted them to take them down, but then if I never seen them posted, how would I know to ask them to take the pictures down.
Did you ever think that maybe the reason that there are less women on the rides is because--gee, there are less women that ride here than in other cities?
Remember, we live in a VERY prissy city, where people would rather drive their car to the last mile than ever be caught on a bicycle.
The reality is that in Los Angeles, biking is mostly reserved for poor 1st. gen. immigrants, the homeless, "hippies", and then there's us. But we're in the minority. LA is all about showing off (from what I've seen, anyway) and unfortunately people don't think that bicycles are too flashy.
Case in point, I don't think it's anything that we as a group are doing that "drives" away the ladies. That's just how it is up here. Why are there a ton of female riders in SF, Portland or Seattle? Perhaps because it's a more socially acceptable activity, and women don't feel as pressured as they do here to conform to gender norms. LA has a great reputation for being very "progressive", but after living in a bunch of different cities, and regions of the US, I can honestly say that in the grand scheme of things--it really is not. It's just a game of follow the leader out here, for the most part.
I'm not sure that I agree with the characterization of Los Angeles as a whole. While I will agree with the idea that people would rather drive than bike, I think it stems more from the fact that Los Angeles County as a whole is one big fucking place. Proximity of home and office always play a role in determining what mode of transportation is used.
I don't thumb my nose up at drivers in Los Angeles, because if you live in the valley and work in the city or live in the Santa Clarita area and work in the valley or the city, I truly understand the ramafications of just driving your bike.
Not everyone uis hardcore.
In regards to the sexual remarks, I've got a Mom and a sister, so I know how to act. I also don't fall prey to the "frat boy" mentality that sometimes happens when a bunch of guys get together. And for the record, my reference to frat boys is not a put down but more of a term to describe male mob mentality.
I'm sure the fact that some women don't stay too long in the scene might have something to do with the drunken behavior that it seems sometimes leads to some, shall we say rather inappropriate remarks, However, while I vehemently disagree that this type of chatter is respectable, I don't think this is the real root reason that there are fewer women on the rides than men.
I actually agree with kyber quite a bit, I think much of it is a social thing. There ARE generally less women cycling in this city than there are in other cities. Just go out on some random day and look who rides past, the numbers of women will probably be much much smaller, as compared to say, Portland, where, since everyone pretty much rides a bike, there is a pretty equal percentage of male and female riders.
Or, just to rephrase the question, where are all the homosexual male ridazz in this city?
In every other city I have visited with ridazz, I have met other gay ridazz on the first night or so I was there, yet, Los Angeles, which has one of the highest gay concentrations in the country, has very very few gay male riders.
I think that this is somewhat of the same issue that is involved in the whole "where da women at" discussion I hear constantly, the answer is "doing something else" and I think that it's just due in large part to the cultural lines laid in this city. Cycling in Los Angeles is still seen more as a "sport" by non cyclists than as an alternative mode of transportation, or an alternative form of entertainment, or whatever.
Of course the fact that as soon as a new girl shows up at a couple rides, and half the guys in the area start pestering them, I doubt that helps either.
I think a lot of it IS cultural, the distance thing, that;s the reason most people don't ride bikes in general, not the reason one sex rides more than others.
Well if you aren't talking about the nipple comments, then you must be making up things out of thin air. There was only one "core" female rider on hand last night, and those were the only inappropriate jokes being passed around. If your intention was not to shout out an accusation then we have no clue what it is. Last night when it was going on would have been the perfect time to "ask people to take in consideration of what they say to the ladies". When you do it here it just comes across as shady and demeaning, not to mention as an accusation.
Stop with the bullshit running around the bush. Nope, you didn't say where it was at. However we all know where you were at last night. Next time, don't be so specific. Gee, I wonder which "community bike fixing establishment" you were at last night?
Nope, you didn't name specifics, but I did. Just to clear the air on the subject. I suppose deliberately tarnishing reputations can be viewed as "constructive" by some.
The problem we're having is that the "situation" you speak of was no situation. Just good humor between friends. You (I suppose being constructive) took everything very, very far out of context to make a social point. In the process you've stepped on the toes of several people. The best thing you could have done was mention this when the time was appropriate, and not hanging people out to dry publicly.
On another note.....Exactly how do you and said female great each other from time to time? Yeah, I know all about it. I think you are probably the last person to give a speech about sexual harassment and proper conduct towards women in public.
With that said, think about the mental anguish that you must be putting her through as well. Not just those making spoke nipple jokes.
Fuzzbeast if you have trouble finding gay male ridazz, talk to me at the next ride, I'll introduce you. Or just go to Wolfpack, evryone is gay there. If you still can't get lucky, I'll do you. No rider left behind.
annnnyyyway... this discussion about why there aren't more women on our rides gots me thinking. There has be a better reason than "L.A. is too prissy" (sorry Kyber!) L.A.'s made up of people from all over! Where are the Portlandians, and Seattlites who moved here for the great weather!? This sounds obvious but...maybe if we all tell our female friends then go MAKE some more FEMALE FRIENDS AND TELL THEM!!! =) I started riding because my friend Rev. Dak. told me how awesome it was and I know that he and I think the same things are fun so I went and it was rad! I have a hard time selling this Midnight Ridazzz thing to my female friends-- even ones that aren't particularly prissy. I feel like I always have to give them more reasons why they SHOULD go. I am a pest, but if one of them is bit by the bike bug then it's worth all the nagging and pestering. It seems like we hang on the ladies who truly enjoy riding their bikes! Does anyone have firsthand account of a female who went on the rides and loved everything, but felt that they were treated poorly or not respected or represented? It would be nice to get some insight. For me.... I've seen you guys get "rowdy" and it can *sometimes* be a little uncomfortable. I have faith that most Ridazzz are amazing people when it comes down to it....the bike activism and general attitude about the way we are perceived by the people outside our community and genuine desire to make L.A. a better city through biking, that cancels out the occasional crude drunken titties/ass/poon comment. (maybe this is just in my warped valuation of people. :/ ) Anyway. I like to think that the guys who get a little crass sometimes, really do respect women and the joking is just that. Am I giving you too much credit?? ;)
My experience has been that, either riding, appeals to people or it does not, male or female. If they ain't into it, they why convinces someone to go. I have a good long time friend of mine, who has ridden bikes for a long time, come out to two rides and didn't enjoy it at all (he is a male). Bringing people that don't ride also may be a hard time if the person really doesn't want to ride a bike. In that situation,you may be having to look out for a person, while on the ride. That person may really nott want to put fourth the effort to ride a bike. You may have someone coming out to the rides only in the car and then driving their car home,( that might not matter to most people, but it is depressing to me---everybody has their own vision for what this could lead to). The point I'm making is if somebody ain't into it, don't force it. This is so much fun, it shouldn't have to be sold. Some people are not just going to like it.
I have never had any females I brought out on ride turned off by the crude, or silly comments. Some of them just find the act of riding, alot of work, and don't want to do it.
The crude comment non-sense is all over are society, in all sorts of situations, especially in night clubs on weekend night.
Hey, I'm a girl and I'm going on the fetish ride. No guarantee I'll wear latex, but who knows? Anyways, on all the rides I've done, all the guys have been really great and I've never heard anything offensive.
I may be rude but I'm equal opportunity rude.
Plus it's not north american rude, it's south eastern european rude which has a 5,000 year tradition behind it. It's like peyote and the Indians. They are allowed to use it, you aren't.
It's ceremonial rude.
But what do you expect from someone who can't distinguish a Marvel book character from one of the Seven Wonders of the World?
I would say that something that hasn't been brought up, but that I am mindful of, as a woman, is that most of these rides happen at night...I tend to be a little more on guard at night, even with a group, because even though there tends to be a "no rider left behind" thing going on, there is a feeling that you could get left behind at night in a nieghborhood you might not know too well. There are some additional dangers for a woman, and we've been taught to be extra careful at night in places we either don't know, or are deserted, etc. For a newbie, who might be lagging behind, that could be stressful, especially for a woman.
I actually felt that way on a ride through Watts during the daytime, mostly because I kept getting stuck at lights, and was lagging behind, and I didn't know the area. The magnitude of that stress would have been greater at night.
This is not to say that woman don't, or can't ride at night (duh)...just that it may give some women pause as to whether to go on a ride at night, when they don't know the route, the area, etc.
I'm not sure if there is any real way to rectify that situation, but I just thought I'd bring it up as an issue that women are conditioned to (and must) think about, and guys may not even be terribly aware of.
But I would say that there are more women on rides that include some dance, arts, or cultural element....as far as I can tell. I also personally don't go on many super large group rides, partially because my limited experience with the large rides included many more rowdy drunken people mowing me over, cutting me off, and yelling at cars (perhaps a slightly mob/crowd mentality)...not my scene, but not sure that has anything to do with my gender :)
I was just intending to bring up the fact that i do sometimes feel a little more vulnerable as a woman, and I may consider that before riding through unknown neighborhoods...by myself. I am very comfortable with another person, or a group, but this Watts was one of my first rides, and I felt like I was getting left behind, and would be by myself. I'm just thinking that perhaps other people may feel this was when they start riding with the group.
As far as Watts, I suppose I thought I could get hassled, as I have been before when I've been by myself, and not sure where I am. I've had situations where I've been perhaps too trusting, and have been chased, or physically harassed.
Most of the time, I've had amazing experiences with the kindness of strangers....but I've learned by experience that when you don't know whether an area is dangerous, it's a good idea to be a little careful, especially as a woman.
I agree with Pippi. I would bet that most of the women on the rides first attended because a boyfriend (or husband) asked them to come along. We women are trained to be very careful about our surroundings.
If the ride feels safe, maybe more women will attend. Someone should be assigned to cover the back of the rides to make sure everyone is together. AND maybe we should make a stop at a fast food place so women can use the facilities. We can't just pee against a wall, like the guys can. (Fast food places have clean bathrooms-women have to sit)
I would bet that most of the women on the rides first attended because a boyfriend (or husband) asked them to come along.
Is this really true? Leaving aside the fact that we have some gay girls among us who neither have nor want boyfriends or husbands, are there that few women in Los Angeles in 2007 who try things like this simply because it looked like it might be fun? My gut says no. Am I wrong? I'm not sure we're giving female Ridazz enough credit here.
I think any woman, no mattter her sexual orientation,would appreciate clean toilet facilities and someone who stays at end of the ride (who knows the route) to collect the lost ridazz.
So, if you want more of us on the rides, please take this into consideration.
That's fine, and I'm sure that slower and inexperienced riders of both sexes and all sexual orientations would appreciate some help at the back end of the rides. I'm just questioning the assumption that the women Ridazz are, by and large, brought into this activity by husbands and boyfriends. Admittedly I've never conducted a poll or anything, but that just doesn't jibe with reality as I have observed it.
As to the incident that kicked off this discussion, did it ever occur to anybody to ask the woman involved whether she was offended? I don't know which of "our core girls" (sheesh) we're talking about here, but I'd be willing to bet that she has a mind of her own and is capable of speaking it--especially if somebody, y'know, asks her for her opinion. I'll also go out on a limb and surmise that this "core girl" has little need of a guy to play the role of (politically progressive) white knight to her damsel in distress. I mean, how patriarchal and retrograde and sexist is THAT?
If more people danced and less people took pictures we would have better rides.
You can substitute almost any appropriate verb for danced and this would still ring true. Guess what, Little Cobrasnake, we're all impressed that you've purchased a nifty electronic device but please put it back into your pocket at some point and join the party.
Yeah, the "core" girl started the perverse conversation. And since I was very much a part of that conversation I'm wondering exactly where she was being sexually harassed. Let alone "serious" sexual harassment. I did ask her directly if she felt harassed in any way, or told any one she was offended after she had left. The answers were no. In light of this, the "core" girl and myself along with several others made the very same jokes the following night with the edition of sexual harassment jokes for making nipple jokes.
-bikemom-
I have stayed behind on every MR ride since I started going on them "scooping" up ridazz that may get left behind. In addition, I help everyone I can with broken rides or flat tires.
No rider is responsible for the upkeep of public restrooms at restaurants, gas stations, etc. that are plentiful along most of the routes. I
Has anyone ever given any thought to how gay males feel?
Looking at this post I've seen some blatant disrespect for homosexual men while protecting homosexual women. In all honesty I think I've heard and seen more disrespect verbally towards gay men than I have seen towards women. There are constant shouts of "!@#$?" and "!@#$?" heard constantly throughout the ride. Then, to top it off there are constant jokes flaming homosexuals on this site. I'm sure there's a joke to be had since I used flaming and homosexual next to each other.
I think there is little tolerance of either sex.
And yes, before it gets brought up, I created my profile today.
It was the only way I could post a message on here.
I've been going on these rides for a long time now, and it was my boyfriend who got me into it. Though we are no longer together, I still go because it's fun.
Ideally no one would be offended by anything said or done one these rides, But there hundreds of riders comming out and bringing new poeple. A mass bicycle ride can't really be policed
The best we can do when a rude comment is made is to let them know its bad behavior, punish them quickly like dog. ; Call them a name and make them feel dumb for a moment so they know its not acceptable and we can go on.
or
drink until you don't care so much.
I like the idea of stopping at a fast food place for the girls. If I'm planning a ride I would definitely plan some kind of stop like this. Good idea!
IMHO I don't really think we are that far off from a ride that would nirvana to all. When you consider the size of the group ride, it does pretty darn well in pleasing most of the ridazz. It's never going to make EVERYONE happy no matter what you do. The group as a whole is real accepting of all people in my view. Hell I would bet that even the guys in the stretchy stuff would be welcomed if they rode with us. I think we're a pretty darn welcoming group to ride with and considerate to anyone that brings an issue up.
In all the rides I've been on, which is at least three years of here in LA, I could count of one time of sexiest, raciest or any other *ist comment made on the ride. I can see where it is a bit intimidating for someone, especially a girl to join the ride if they haven't been on the ride before. The only thing I could suggest is going on a short ride where you know there's going to be alot of people on the stops, such as an art ride. These rides are rather slow and short between stops. New comers would get a chance to connect since there will be alot of stops too.
Let me throw this into the mix: I don't think there are far fewer women riding in LA. I don't know where this notion came from. Just look around on the streets and you'll see plenty of female commuters and utility cyclists. I do, anyway. Is it fifty-fifty? Maybe not, but women seem to be pretty well represented.
Obviously, there are reasons that some women in particular avoid riding on the street alone--batshit insane drivers, and the potential for street harassment or sexual assault come to mind--and those things need to be dealt with. And obviously, if there are things intrinsic to group rides like MR that are repellent to women, those things should be made to go away. But let's not invent a crisis here. I really don't think that you do women any favors by patronizing them. Can we make our streets and our rides friendly to women without implying that they need their hands held?
Maybe we/I need to make it clear what we/I'm referring to when referring to the ratio of women to men. I'm refering to the ratio on most, if not all, with the exception of the GoGA, of the men to women on the ride. If the rides were 80% and higher of women, you can bet we'd be stopping at cafe and fast food resturants for potting breaks and not just stopping at the liquor stores.
If I was a woman and going to the rides alone at, I would be really freaked out about getting to the ride and back. And with the a ratio of 80% or more of men, I would have little desire to attend it. Best way for female newbies is coming in little packs. Sure they'll probably still get harassed on the streets. But they could put the word out on this board that they are traveling to such and such. Maybe I'm being a bit naive here but I bet there would be people that would be willing to help them get there and back OK. Hell I would do it for anyone if they happen to be around my hood. This IMO is not hand holding, it's riding in numbers that makes everyone feel safer. And I'm sure there's plenty of stories of chicks getting harrassed when riding alone. Shit that we can only imagine what it's like.
From my experience riding here in LB, I see far more male riders than female. I do tend to see more female riders in the more "preferred" neighborhoods and just about everyone of them are on a one speed beach cruiser. This can also be seen at the beach where yes, it is about a 50 50 split.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for stopping at fewer liquor stores (which would mean fewer swerving drunk nitwits) and at more cafes, especially if I can both use the bathroom properly and pick up an espresso or...dare I say it...
And I see your point about female riders, especially riding solo, sweating the trip to and from the ride. Riding in packs, while it may not reduce the number of idiot catcalls from male drivers and pedestrians, would probably significantly lessen the chance of somebody trying something physical.
Where are the Portlandians, and Seattlites who moved here for the great weather!?
pseudo portlander here and ready to go on a ride.
don't know if i'll be making it to the fetish ride or LACM since i work all weekend but i definitely should be making it to one ride and even though i have been riding a bike (instead of driving) for the last 4= years i've never been on a group ride of this size. why? because lack of exposure so yeah, if you want to get more girls involved you have to let them know about it. thanks kyber ;)
also, for the record i'm not worried about any crude comments that someone could make, if anything i am more intimidated by my lack of knowledge about bikes. i ride for transportation and fun but never became a gearhead (though i really do want to learn) so comments that would make me feel dumb are much more likely to drive me away than a comment about my boobs or something.
This sounds obvious but...maybe if we all tell our female friends then go MAKE some more FEMALE FRIENDS AND TELL THEM!!! =) I started riding because my friend Rev. Dak. told me how awesome it was and I know that he and I think the same things are fun so I went and it was rad! I have a hard time selling this Midnight Ridazzz thing to my female friends-- even ones that aren't particularly prissy. I feel like I always have to give them more reasons why they SHOULD go. I am a pest, but if one of them is bit by the bike bug then it's worth all the nagging and pestering. It seems like we hang on the ladies who truly enjoy riding their bikes! Does anyone have firsthand account of a female who went on the rides and loved everything, but felt that they were treated poorly or not respected or represented? It would be nice to get some insight. For me.... I've seen you guys get "rowdy" and it can *sometimes* be a little uncomfortable. I have faith that most Ridazzz are amazing people when it comes down to it....the bike activism and general attitude about the way we are perceived by the people outside our community and genuine desire to make L.A. a better city through biking, that cancels out the occasional crude drunken titties/ass/poon comment. (maybe this is just in my warped valuation of people. :/ ) Anyway. I like to think that the guys who get a little crass sometimes, really do respect women and the joking is just that. Am I giving you too much credit?? ;)
deboRAWR - thanks for still having faith in us guyz! What you said sounds pretty accurate and I appreciate you speaking out your view on the rides. I give a lot of credit to the ladiez ridazz, you guys rock! - go trenwayz!
I think its a great idea to incorporate a fastfood bathroom stop for the ladies. It also gives a chance for ridazz to pick up some food if they are hungry. I will plan one halfway into the ride. So what fastfood place has the cleanest bathrooms?
Hey, I'll definitely be making this ride on Saturday.
As far as fastfood pitstops go, any Jack-In-Da-Cracks along the way?
So long as that punker incident in San Berdo doesn't occur, that would be a good pitstop.
But, that's just me since I seem to be the only known indulger of crispy tacos and Jumbo Jacks at 6 in the morning.
i got my outfit all picked out be ready
oh and whats the deal liquor stores arnt cool anymore and neither is peeing in bushes.... wow... wow
id rather stop at a liquor store than a fast food place
Aiight Man, we'll gp ahead and try some of the mom/pops you speak of Marino.
Just that where I live 100 miles NE of y'all up in the desert, those places tend to go into lockdown around 2100(9pm).
So, that shows why I'm naturally attracted to the Jack.
But, one things for sure, Jack-In-Da-Crack will stomp "McDogshits" anyday of the week.
Jumbo Jacks like an M-16, Big Mac broke into vending machines.
You'll see me there though, either on my EZ-1 recumbent or Hummer/Montague mtb.
I hardly see the difference between throwing down a shitload of beer and liquor (not to mention all the 7-11 food I see people eating every ride) and a greasy burger here and there. That greasy burger just may be a bit more healthy for you.
It's not what you eat, but how you eat, and if you exercise properly.
Either way, Mcshits and Jack in the Hole have a better bathroom than the dumpster on the side of 7-11.
Hello All,
I have been seriously thinking about participating in this ride...Early on brian asked me to come down and be a dominatrix for the night and spank people. At the time it seemed like an ok idea, but at this point, well, I would rather just participate in the ride...
Biking in female fetish gear is no picnic...Hell, clubbing in that gear is awkward..
But I wanted to make a comment about all the debate about women on the rides...
According to the cesnus bureau the population of Los Angeles is 50.6% female. That being said, logic would follow that there is just as much opportunity for women to be attracted to group rides, however in my experience AS A WOMAN... there is lot to be desired in attending some of these rides.
in detail:
In general, they happen at night and although I feel safer than MOST women I know biking at night, even in mass, there is a LARGE portion of the female population that does not feel that way, or simply, would rather go on rides with a more positive message than the night rides. Chalking it up to "Women in LA" is LAME, My only experinece to that effect, which is very well represented by the initial conversations on this board are that MEN IN LA more freely objectify women then say in Portland, or Seattle, where I lived for 10 years.
As a woman, you should kind of expect that to happen in LA, not that you should condone poor behavior by either sex. I will say that I am always drawn to rides with themes that are more fun, and equal, than the theme of this ride.. For instance, the WES ANDERSON or CLOWN ride vs the FETISH ride...
Also, It's getting colder, so I've been biking less in general.
Second point I'd like to bring up is the bathroom thing. I've stopped going on Sins n Sprokets rides because my suggestion that a pee stop be incorporated into the ride was met with outright hostility (by a female).. There were several newbie women on one of their rides, and they had to pee in the middle of a parking lot with three of us huddled around. I don't care how you were raised or how "punk rock" you are, it was not a safe enough neighborhood for any of us to go traipsing around looking for a bush, and that is just shameful...
I was shocked to see how my suggestion was met. The retort was something like " they should just get used to it" . it was a good thing that I I'd brought a ziplock bag with tp... But still..
Most of the late night social rides are just geared towards a more sausege festy kind of ethic.
i guess I don't let it affect me as much, other factors include things like how welcome women feel in this community.. How much there is to do on a friday night that is not related to cycling. And most importantly, is there anything to do on this ride besides drink?
I will say that I am always drawn to rides with themes that are more fun, and equal, than the theme of this ride.. For instance, the WES ANDERSON or CLOWN ride vs the FETISH ride...
How is a fetish ride not equal? Women have fetishes, too. And there are plenty of male subs out there, if the power dynamic is the problem.
wow, I was just checking out the ride and had no idea of all the controversy around it.
Just want to add a few comments to the fire here.
As a gay guy who has been coming to the rides for about 3 years now...at first I felt like the ridazz were a bit homophobic. As a gay person it's easy to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. Then along the way I made more and more friends and found out that it didn't seem to be much of an issue. Even though I've been going with my bf the whole time we still talk to people who say they didn't know we were gay. What I realized is that many, many people on the rides lack social skills, that can be translated or misunderstood in many ways. For example....as someone who helps put on a monthly ride now, I know that it's alot of work setting it up. Hours and hours. And the ride itself is different because you are more or less 'working' the ride...being responsible for people. Then people leave without even saying thank you.
And I've seen people standing alone, obviously on their first ride and not knowing anyone. I'll always try to go up and talk to them, make them feel welcome, introduce them to my friends. The rides can seem really 'clique-y' to a newbie. I'm often surprised that people aren't friendlier to these people.
But, overall, I've found that this is a good group of people who really enjoying sharing their love of biking together. Any group of people will have their differences and divisions.
A really simple solution to this is for women to step up and organize more rides.
I mean, you all understand what you like. Granted, not all women are the same, but you have a better idea than us men, apparently.
Don't get me wrong, this is not a "well if US MEN can't do this, then you're on your own here." No, it's not like that. I've just noticed that when the ladies organize rides they tend to draw more of their own.
Other than that, I really have no idea. We've examined every cultural, gender related, and misc. angle of this issue and it doesn't seem like anyone really is able to come up with a definitive "Why?"
I'm not prescribing a fix all, because there really is no such thing,
And above all, we must never ever downplay what we're all involved in here. This really is an extremely interesting social experiment that requires constant love and care. We'll keep working to fine tune things, but, we must realize that you get back what you put in.
how are the GOGA rides working out?
Seems like that might be a good group of people to learn from.
And it might be a good idea, when a woman puts her personal view out there, that it not be immediately suggested that she might not know what she's talking about.
Those devices up top seem to be those same ones described by the news back when that astronaut was trying to kidnap this other woman in some twisted-ass love triangle.
H'mm, I myself was surprised to see all this controversy and worry being generated by a ride like this, I just assumed food/pit stops were going to be an issue.
I still consider myself a general observer to all the madness and I feel that role suits me just fine.
Roll, ride along and take pictures and video of general Tomfoolery to share with the masses of just what we do.
As far as people coming with me, I'm planning on at least three others coming with me.
As PC already knows, I seem to be the only person from predominantly, redneck/far-right/gas-guzzler-ville to be exposed to any additional cultures outside the realm I've been raised in.
I just want to see the looks on my friends faces when they see what type of people and things come/go on at these rides.
I'm pretty well used to it by now, but this will be a wholly learning experience for them.
Time to show the cubs the wilderness as one would say.
Brian, I really appreciate the time and planning you put in the rides. Thank you for being open enough to consider the ladies.
As for the other creative ways that you all have found for women to deal with this problem...There is another "time of the month" issue that we have to deal with as well. We really need to have access to a bathroom.
I think that Jack in the Box may be the best bet. The menu is more varied than McDonald's, and they might be politically more acceptable. The problem is - there are not as many of them around.
bikemom - thanks for showing some love! Ive had a lot of respect for you ever since the ladie's ride!
What to expect (disclaimer):
This will be a interesting-fun-crazy-insane ride!
Paddle Spanking! ($1.00 for 5 spanks-this goes to the doms) starts at 9:30pm
Fetish contest! (a surprise!)
Best Orgasm Moan Contest!
Dildo Relay Race! - (we will be using cucumbers instead)
The Official Ladie's Bathroom Stops: We will stop at Ralph's (yes, the grocery store!) for a bathroom break
and at Jack's (JITB)
We will also stop at our usual $1.00 taco joint and 7-11s! Yay!
Will some ridazz be offended by the provocative costumes and overall sexyness of the ride? Definitely
Will both female and male ridazz have fun on this ride? Absolutely
Will there be a cool route and good music? You bet
I've got four shock-troops assembled in my platoon.
If we leave the desert by 5pm, we should be down there.
I'll see if I can't leave you a crudely-drawn route map kyber.
My printers on the fritz as usual.
Definitely was an interesting evening. And although the police were very present, a couple had a good sense of humor and i bet would have rather been riding with us than corking for us.
What happen to this being the bar/beer ride?Just like last month's ride, there were some wild dogs high jacking the ride. They were tring to lead the group over the hill into hollywood untill someone turned the us left into univeral studios.About the cops, cops will be cops.
I never heard anything about this being a beer/bar ride. It wasn't stated on the ride calender as such. nor did it say anything like that on the flyer. However all MR rides are beer rides. Sins and Sprockets hits the bars. Try one of those rides instead.
I was kind of bummed about there being no spoke cards for a MR ride. I usually hang in the back to help those who get injured or broke down. No card = no catching up. Like it would have mattered anyway, with the route high-jacking and all. Dumb idea man......dumb idea. I'll quote something I heard right away..."yeah guys, good going. Let's get the cops pissed off at us in the first five minutes of the ride".
I also liked being threatened to be arrested for my arm gauntlets. That was rich! Apparently spiked jewelry is considered a concealed weapon. That, and my gas mask was an "obstruction" of view. I understand the sunglasses at night thing, I'll give the officers that much.
Aside from being slightly harassed, and the ride being less than ten miles.........I had a kick ass fucking time! A big shout out to everyone that kept in good spirits despite Johnny Law! Thanks again to all those who stopped with me at Washington Mutual so I could use the ATM. That was very nice of the 80 or so of ya. By the way, wasn't that bullshit how the cop pulled his car directly into the group of RIDAZZ to stop us from running that light in front of Washington Mutual? That fucker could have killed some one.
Oh yeah, before I forget. Whoever the girl was dishing out the spankings....I just wanted to say SPANX!!!
Unfortunately, it's really difficult to keep the ride together when there are no route cards. And I'm not placing blame on Brian at all. To be honest, I had no idea that the ride had even been hijacked until I turned around and realized that somehow everyone that was just behind me a few minutes ago was gone.
As for the police, I don't know. I don't really know what to say, I've NEVER seen anything like that on a ride for as long as I've been doing group rides in LA. To be honest, the cops were outright pricks for the most part. Barking orders at us, harassing riders, blinding me with the searchlight on multiple occasions. I don't get it, don't they have anything better to do in North Hollywood?
And I know that we're pretty sure some cops out there are reading this, and I really don't care. Their behavior tonight was deplorable considering we were just a bunch of people on bikes trying to have fun. I didn't see anyone drinking in the open, running reds, or doing anything else that might piss them off. But I might be wrong.
I don't know where the police came from, or why they had it out for us tonight but I can tell you that going to city walk did not make the situation any better.
Too bad sexy was in SF. He has the magical powers with police that makes em disappear like tilex on soap scum.
Hey, I didn't even see you around kyber!!
Were you part of the group that got hijacked?
I had two friends with me who don't really ride that much that came to this.
They honestly didn't know what was going on until I met up with them near the end of the ride.
I thought the ride itself was quite interesting for the most part.
I didn't experience any problems with any of the cops myself, despite staring right at one with my newly-rigged, helmet cam.
I measured this ride at 18.5 miles in total distance travelled based on my Cateye Cyclometer.
It felt more like 5 miles to me.
I'm not trying to diss or incite any riots, but I thought there were far too many rookies on this ride.
Persons getting lost easily, not remembering specific landmarks or street names.
I also was under the impression that the show-boating by some of the freestyler's might've attracted the bad-side of the cops.
Other than that, got acquainted with some new ridazz, tested out my new helmet rig, and put my two friends through their first night training session.
Oh, and next time, I'm going to print out, Xerox, and highlight 100-200 route maps.
These will be strict route maps with everything in bold print.
I feel just handing these out two randomites at the rally point will increase some form of cohesion and stability throughout the duration of the ride.
First of all, good meeting you Brian. It's good to finally to be able to put a face with the name.
It was also good meeting Sonny, Daniel, Richard, and Mr. Charlie Horse (I forgot his real name).
First, the end of the night. It ended well with about 20 of us heading to some taco joint at Lankershim and Oxnard. A lot of friendly people, good conversation and a hell of a funny time when that tow truck driver showed up to help the stranded riders with their lock issue.
Anyways, this ride took a complete fucking dump. No fault of Brian at all. Whoever hijacked this ride and decided to take it into the most congested area (City Fucking Walk) on a Friday night...well, it's time to stop huffing.
What really irked me about the hijack is that it turned off soooo many new riders. Because there were a shitload of them. A lot of them girls. I brought a long a girl who was riding a cruiser and that hill killed her. Soured her. Someone mentioned that there were too many "new" riders...well I dont consider that a bad thing. We WANT more riders. We WANT new blood...so to speak. And we got our wish of having more girls on there rides. There were many...and they were pretty. The few I talked to asked, "Is this what the rides are usually like?" Not good.
Route cards or at least printouts at the very least are needed. Brian, if you ever need help with something like that, let me know. I could print stuff out at work on one of our big ass printers....just drop me an email. It's under my profile.
My good old cycling computer showed 10.5 miles. Then again, we did get broken up into two groups. You guys may have ridden further. I was in the group that the cops held back for nearly 20 minutes giving us lectures on bicycle safety and road laws. I specifically liked the big speech about running red lights, then three blocks later they force us to run red lights. Or the "don't run red lights" then immediately after saying so, they run the red light in their cruiser.
Ignorance can be fixed..............
stupid is forever!!
A big FUCK YOU to the hijackers that thought going up the hill to City Walk was a good idea! Last time we did that people got hurt and Brian decided he would never do that again. Just like @ the Big Ass Ride the hijackers fucked the ride up ride and that was the beginning of the end for it and was also when we got the cops attention. You like going up hills, goto another fucking ride! This ride is meant to be a cruise and the original name of Cruise With Us would give you a hint. There are far too many cruisers and new riders that will get discouraged from going up hills like that and that is not a good thing.
Brians been putting up these rides for the last couple of years, and during that time, we've learned to:
-stay out of burbank
-don't turn left at Lankershim and ventura
-don't go to universal city walk
-maintain an easy pace so that everyone can keep up and have fun
-avoid hills as much as possible
Brian plans the route to minimize hassles so that everyone can have a good time on whatever bike they like to ride, cruisers, low riders, tall bikes, whatever.
whoever hijacked this ride, didn't have a clue about what this ride is all about.
my experience with the cops was great, they corked every intersection then sped on ahead of the group to cork the next, when I rode past them, I said thanks, the officer riding shotgun had his hand out the window, and his response was, what no high five? But then again I was riding along with Brian while we were trying to figure out wtf happened to the ride.
I heard there were some stink bombing incidents near Universal Studios.
At least that's what one of my friends on the hijacked portion told me.
As far as what I said about the Rookies, I wasn't screaming at them, but the other poster put that argument to rest.
Came here expecting a good time, then get punked into a night-time bootcamp.
Hell, perhaps I should've charged up the hill just to get the reassurances out, and the cohesion re-linked.
And maybe from myself personally supplying strict route maps, I'll even go with a special, reflective strip-patch of a varying color to identify.
Oh, and there are more pics over here for those of you who want to check out more.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v233/halcyonswingface/The%20Fetish%20Ride%20092907/
I'll also be posting up some video montages shortly.
Despite how derailed the operation became, I'll offer the world the lighter side of the night.
And next time, I'm definitely bringing my recumbent!!
i love this ride and i've been going on em for a while, but the last two have been retarded.
if you want to get the cops to chase you around and break the group up, start your own ride, make your own effort, don't ruin Brian's ride. i've seen it grow from 20 people to what it is now and don't want to see it get ruined.
new people are good, the elitist attitude is bad, its ruining rides. leave your hustle/attitude at home.
next month can we not get the cops involved after a couple of miles?
Hey, no attitude from me the entire time.
This was my first LA-Area ride and it was enjoyable in retrospect.
If any elitists were present, I would say it would've consisted of mainly the few militant cyclists we had present, and the BMX/freestyle showboaters I mentioned earlier.
Hell, I thought I was the only one conversing with motorists in an informative fashion.
Some comments I got from the motorists were mainly, "We want to know what y'all are doing, but none of these people are saying anything."
I calmly, yet loudly(ambient traffic noise), explain to them the non-confrontational stance of the group and website specifics.
Oh, yeah.
Thanx dude.
As disorganized as it got, some of us managed to keep a cool head and direct the traffic.
I'm still trying to piece together a proper montage at this point.
instead of droning on about what a lame ride this was, let's figure out why it sucked and do something about it , or shut up. i'm glad to hear the newbies had fun, but the experienced riders know that it can be so much better. hopefuly they give it another go.
1)spoke cards are cool. you can decorate your bike and brag about the millions of rides you've been on, but the bottom line is they provide people with a route to follow. when the ride gets hijacked, when you fall behind because you get a flat have to go pee or find some diarhea in your shorts, or when the fuck-head cops divide the ride into 100 tiny groups because of they're antics, spoke card help you find your way back to the group. if it's a time issue, i'm sure there are plenty of geeks out there would help to make a card. if it's a money issue, hten ask everyone to give you a dime for the card. hell, i'd pay ten cents to go a one of these rides.
2) it's a shit-load of work to organize a ride. there's way more that goes into it than people realize. i know, i've fucked up a couple of rides myself. but an experienced organizer should know what areas to go into and not go into. what cities will laugh and cheer you on, and what cities will call out the riot squad when more that three bikes are on the road. new riders don't know what they're getting into and they trust that you'll lead them down the bicicyle friendly path. no wnder all my friends told me they wouldn't go on the ride because of where it was at. i'm guessing this isn't the first time riders have had problems in that area. plan ahaed.
3) this pertains to all rides. what the fuck is up with posting" meet at 9:30, leave at 10:00" if we're not going to leave before 10:30? it happens everytime. if you say 10:00 then leave at 10:00. if we aren't going to leave 'til 10:30 then simply say 10:30. if you get in the habit of leaving late, people get in the habit of showing up late. it's a vicious cycle. if people want to hang out smoke out drink and stroke each others bicycles hen show up early. but let's leave on time.
Those are damned good points to shoot across the board there.
Proper ride scouting in the early planning should always be done.
Whether it's just a one or two man scouting party is good enough.
Take some snapshots of landmarks along the way-route and post them up in consecutive order to acclimate the rookies who occasionally come here to view the posts.
Lot's of admitted lurkers I ran amongst last night and that's all good.
Coming here and seeing little bits of intel like that above, and the strict, non-laminated, hand-highlighted route maps will go a long way in keeping the herd from straying from the pasture.
Last thing we need is for the "turnout" to become a "turnover" every month.
Same amount of riders, yet different each time due to general fear of the unknown.
I've been doing rides for about 2 years and this was the worst one I've ever been on. Really poorly planned. And yes, it turned off alot of newbies. Met 2 girls were so excited about going on their first ride...caught up with them walking their bikes up Univeral, saying, 'never again'.
To anyone turned off by this ride....try another one. All the other rides are usually better. This guy Brian has his heart in the right place, but not having route cards is unforgiveable. Or posting the route before the ride so people could bring it themselves. Not having enough people helping out on the ride...how he's not a presence at all at his own ride. Other rides have clear leaders...some of them come around and introduce themselves before the ride. The lack of presence sets up this free for all chaos.
To Brian, get some help dude, you can't do it alone. Or pack it in.
To Nebies, check out Spoken Art ride or Sins and Sprockets
To Highjackers-Fuck you all to hell--stay on the wolf pack or get your own ride and stop ruining everyone else's time. If you go to an organized ride, IF IT SAYS THIS IS A SLOW RIDE, RIDE FUCKING SLOW. IF THERE IS A ROUTE, BE FUCKING RESPECTFUL ENOUGH TO STAY ON IT. IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR OWN ROUTE, SET UP YOUR OWN FUCKING RIDE.
There were actually quite a few rookies that at first thought I was the ringmaster due to all the info I get from this forum, and the two major out-of-state rides I attended.
I would've made an attempt to start hollering for an assembly by the statue. But, seeing this was my first ride down here, I didn't want to be labeled and then hung as a false prophet.
If I'm going to organize a force from a 100+ miles away, then I'm going to make it worth my while.
To Brian's defense, there was a route posted on the ride calender.
How else do you think we all know it got high-jacked?
People as individuals are smart.
People in groups are as dumb as lemmings.
Plain and simple.
How the hell do you manage to get your ride hi-jacked twice in a row, didn't the big-ass big ride also get hi-jacked? Whomever is the "organiser" needs to ask for help from others so that it doesn't happen again. And no spoke cards..., how is the group supposed to even know when we go off course? Considering what a great turn out this ride gets, it sucks that its not better organised - doing crazy uphill routes and leading the group into spots the cops obviously won't like us to go (Citywalk) only makes new riders get turned off to the whole experience and likely won't come back - I mention this becuase I heard several people say they wouldn't. Now, if that's the whole point, so that only the "core" riders will be be back then cool, and nevermind. Otherwise, organise, ask for help, or let others organise the ride and stop giving MR rides a bad rep- or not and keep letting the ride get hi-jacked and have the cops force ride back to the park like a herd of sheep like it did last night.
Brians got some things to work on. A few of us bent his ear after the ride, and Brians no fool. He can't glad hand everyone before the ride, even though he tries. He's one of the most laid back, nicest, south california guys I've met. And I don't think he sits in front of his computer much.
The rides have been great for the last couple of years. The last two sucked. Early on, one of the best was when Brian, spiral and I were the only ones who showed up. Or the "ladies Ride" where BikeMom was the only representer. Its gotten bigger.
Anyone eager to start up their own rides, more power to you, don't hijack Brian's, work with him, its no fun job riding herd on 200+ hipster wannabees with their own ideas of where to go and how to do it.
I see a lot of people bitching, whining and complaining.
But you know what I don't see? I don't see anyone stepping up to try to help Brian out.
Also, it's INCREDIBLY unfair to blame him for the events of last night, as most of it was beyond his control. Sure, spoke cards would have helped the situation greatly, but I don't think he was expecting all of the bad things to happen which did last night.
So, with that said-- if you need help Brian, let me know. I've often times at other rides served as the guy in front trying to hold the pack up and slow em' down. It's not easy, but somebodies gotta do it. Or if you need help with spoke cards, I'll offer myself up for that as well.
I did what I had to and tried to acclimate myself with as many people as possible.
Unfortunately, I didn't know too many of the operators down there myself. In that regard, everything was kind of slapped together quickly.
Now that I actually met Brian and some of the others in person, I feel I'll be able to easily join in with the coordination efforts on the next ride of this magnitude.
Kyber speaks the truth.
Though I was a bit dismayed, I had a great fucking time!
I'll help with a ride any time!
By the way.....I still need some help with the Halloween ride.
I figured I'd add that in since we seem to be on the subject.
"To Highjackers-Fuck you all to hell--stay on the wolf pack or get your own ride and stop ruining everyone else's time."
billybobike....
tell me im wrong but from the following statement you seem to suggest that somehow those that hijacked this ride are in some form or manner associated with the wolfpackhustle.
do you have any proof to substantiate your accusation.... or are you through some sort of logic infering that these "hijackers" behaved in a manner beholden to that of the wolfpack hustle style.....
(on with my poor excuse for sarcasm)
in any case as a wolfpack hustle rider (who for the moment is two states removed), yes we go fast or rather "hustle" but no we dont "hijack" rides, in fact from my experience and understanding with wolves we usually like to run in packs....maybe these "hijackers were from an as of yet unseen bicycle crew that like to "hijack" rides and run by themselves: the coyotehustle maybe?....
whatever the case may be, your association with those that "hijacked" this ride and the wolfpack hustle paints the hustle in a bad light dont you think. i mean even if you didnt mean it that way your saying "hey those guys who stole our ride are assholes why dont they go to wolfpack were they belong"....or rather where, as you wrote, they should have "stayed" (am i an asshole?)
now i dont speak for the wolfpack and what i wrote (all spelling mistakes included) are my own thoughts that do not represent wolfpack whatsoever but does any one else feel this way. (roadblock?)...it just seems like anytime someone goes fast or behaves in a foolish manner in these "social" rides they are referred to wolfpack....to me that doesnt seem fair and comes off as shortsighted and ignorant.
but whatever...im going to eat a bag of dicks now.
Nope, didn't see that they were Wolfpack people, but that's what 2 other riderazz told me....so I apologize for using pure speculation and heresay. I know that the Wolfpack are a bunch of standup riderazz.
And to those who are saying that instead of blaming Brian we should be offering help. Lots of people have offered help and/or advice and he hasn't accepted any. When you have a ride you have to make sure you have people helping..even if it means recruiting on the spot.
And I've never seen Brian walk around and introduce himself to newbies...he's usually hanging out with his friends.
I honestly didn't see him until everyone retreated around 0030.
The statue area went from live and loud, to "my typical ridng environment" in a matter of an hour.
All that was left was Brian and his elite cadre.
Guess they were just chilling in their van by the statue until they were sure everyone else had gone.
I talked with him and his group for a little bit and they were well aware of the situation.
Can't blame him for getting caught up in the moment.
i just wanted to add that despite the ride getting hijacked and the f-ing popo blinding me, this newbie had a good time.
i was a little disappointed that not very many people were dressed up and i wish it could have lasted longer but that's not going to deter me from attending future rides. in fact, i can't wait.
oh and for the record, i only got one "tatas" comment.
more grade school dorky than offensive.
extra thanks to the the people that bring the music, especially the dude that was playing 'ratatat'.
getting to ride to good music it made it all that much better!
That flip was due to my ghetto rig and the camera being upside down.
The picture was coming to my eye rightside up, but the resulting video was the upside down.
There was this flip feature on the Windows Movie Maker that I thought would rectify the problem.
Guess it just diverted it into another direction.
Perhaps I'll just have to have the camera flipped rightside up and not in front of my eye.
I really loved that Apache pilot look though.
But, to get the job done right, I'll have to stop fucking myself around.
I do however have this rightside up clip where a cop said something about staying to the right.
I picked up a soundbyte of some random dude to the lines of, "Fuck off, my tire's on the right line!!"
Not a right thing to say, but thought the line was funny.
I'll post that one up as a snippet.
@ kyber: I find it pretty laughable that you're trying to call people out and saying no one is stepping up or ofering help...
Check the posts...
I wrote this this :
Route cards or at least printouts at the very least are needed. Brian, if you ever need help with something like that, let me know. I could print stuff out at work on one of our big ass printers....just drop me an email. It's under my profile.
And bentsrider wrote this three posts before mine:
Oh, and next time, I'm going to print out, Xerox, and highlight 100-200 route maps. These will be strict route maps with everything in bold print. I feel just handing these out two randomites at the rally point will increase some form of cohesion and stability throughout the duration of the ride.
I brought a new kid with me, and she thought it was the best thing she's done in quite some time.
Yep, things went wrong.
Something does on every ride.
If you take into consideration the amount of people on hand, then subtract how many had issues....the good far outweighs the bad.
So I say FUCK YOU to all the haters!
Stop being whiny little dicks!
I want to go to one of your rides just so I can get on a message board and tell you what a fuck up you are!
The sad thing is that most of you probably don't have the heart to tell Brian what you think to his face.
"High-Burn Nation" is more like it.
Instead of few more layers, it will be cranking up the furnaces when temps get to 70night/50day.
After the brutal Winters I experienced while driving the rig through the Rockies, this is shirtsleeve weather.
Next on the agenda, the "See how long before someone throws on a hoodie ride".
Coming soon hopefully.
I'm doing part-time trucking for Nov/Dec so, I'm going to put my creative juices to the test.
his "elite cadre" followed the crowd up the hill and then over to whitsett along with the rest of the newbs
I know brian felt bad about how the ride turned out, but he's vowed to not let it happen again...whatever, I still had a good 40+ mile ride that nite, it got me out of the house, on my bike, and a topic of conversation.
All I have to say is good or bad you all got to go on this ride........ I had to leave town for WORK!!! The Midnightridazz and extended community has drawn a lot of folks to (or back to) cycling and like a manufactured product...it evolves and hopefully gets better... Isn't this all about having fun? I get a high from these rides and right now sitting in a hotel in Idaho I just wish I was back there on a ride.
Ok enough of you people blaming Brian for this or that. What can he do if a bunch of speedsters want to take the route off the path? Have you thought about how much work it take to make the amount of spoke cards for everyone?? He makes them one by one and I cant blame him for not wanting to spend a ridicolous amount of time to make 300-700 cards. He has two jobs, a wife and other hobbies as well.
He had the route posted online, if you really want to help why not print one or 50 out and bring it with? It doesnt have to be a cute laminated card just, white paper should be fine. I have been on several other MR rides and have never once seen a spoke card. Nor have I seen any leader or organizer of the event walk around and introduce themselves as such. Sins and Sprockets does, but they are a club and have the organisation of such. Great bunch of people too.
The problem is that the speedsters forget that this is suppose to be a cruise and not a race. There have been smaller problems before and they have designated Big Bike Dan as the route pacer, but the speedsters still didnt want to respect and went fast anyway. If you cant respect the ride as its intended then dont fucking show up!! This would be the same thing as me showing up to the faster pace rides and expecting everyone to cruise.
Damm It, you all missed a great party in the Bay Area. We had a blast, although it was missing the "Black Hair and Tattooed Girl Tamer"
Don't worry, next months ride will make up, for the last two Cruz with Us. There will be two rides, one for the people who want to hustle, and another for those that want to do a cruz with the rest of us. Hustle ride will leave at 10pm sharp and the party ride will leave whenever we are ready to go.
Remember it is a fun, social party on wheel, and while standing by your ride, so there will be no rush to when we leave. If you get antsy, it probably because your not enjoying the moment, it will be up to you to reach deep down inside, and make happen what you want to happen for yourself at a party,,,,i.e; make new friends, talk to that person your attracted to, make a fool of yourself and have a blast while doing it, eat 3.14, etc etc
You will all get your spoke card for the next ride, route slip will be discretionary, to the organizers. Fun will be had by all.
didn't make this ride, but i was told that routes weren't printed for this ride to keep the group together and not get people rushing ahead, like a cruise
there should be a separate ride for highjackers and cops called
'egoistas and cockblockers'
either way, i'll be at the next one if i can
would love to hit up that dam again!
damn!!
I'm not sure the dam sagewagon is referring to is the same as the ridearc. I wasn't on the ridearc ride but sage is referring to the dam we visited on the scarf ride. The one near sepulveda. He talks about it all the time. He REALLY wants to go back.
sepulveda damn. thats the one. The NoHo ride went by there once, and if I recall, that ride got split up as well, thanks to the front runners in the pack. Its impressive but not worth subjecting newbs to additional harassment. In my opinion.
Y'all rode near a dam?!?
That sounds fucking cool.
In fact that goes right along with my idea of an urban/abandonment exploration ride.
I definitely need to hit that one when it happens.
Night vision, rapelling gear and all.
If anything, just to get some more sweet pictures.
Its obvious that this ride suffered greatly. Im not making any excuses, and I am totally bummed out on how this ride got fucked up. We will take extreme measures to ensure that future rides will not suck.
I know what went wrong, and these things will be corrected. I appreciate all of you guys (and girls) supporting and offering help.
Yes, of course I will accept any help offered.
These are the main areas that we need help with:
7 to 10 ridazz that know the route, know the stops, maybe cork and will lead and direct the crowd.
2 ridazz that will be in the back making sure no ridazz left behind.
Spoke card / route cards - I can handle the artwork for the spoke cards, the big issue is lamination, which I need a grip of you for this. Sometimes the route map will not fit on the spoke cards, so we can give out separate route cards.
Someone with a fast air pump for inflating tires, and adjusting bikes.
Someone that can provide music with a mic if BigBikeDan is not rolling with us.
Someone who can be our mediator/ spokesperson with the police
We have put together impressive rides in the past, and we are not gonna let things get screwed up now!
@ Sexy: Well I'm putting myself out there...If you guys need help with printing or anything...just let me know. I've got access to printers and colored paper.
@ Brian: Again, it was good meeting you. I am down to help...just let me know what you need. Drop me an e-mail.
Also, suggestion...maybe after you come up with a route, you can have some sort of peer review to discuss it. Since I am from the valley, I am pretty familiar with the area, so I can offer some suggestions or advice on the route...just in case something might not work.
And on the interactive route maps, you should definitely start using some of the new tools...I think there's a thread on them.
that damn ride...we were supposed to stop at that big 'ol miniature golf place on sepulveda, which the ride just blew by, now that would be worth re-visiting. if its still there. in my opinion.
As cutoff as I am up here in the desert without any motorized transport of my own, I'll make every effort to shuttle support down that way.
Even if I'm on the road, I'll FedEx maps, pumps, supplies, personnel, if needed, lol!!
I'm definitely beginning to feel like some dude living on a deserted outpost where I'm at.
And if the nice woman from Apple Valley reads this, hit me up.
Perhaps, we could organize a plattoon/convoy/brigade,.etc of strict High Desert Ridazz that want to add to the excitement.
It's time for us outlanders to make a name for ourselves!!
The Bike Oven has been talking about getting a few kits together for our crew to use when supporting rides. Maybe we can provide support for the next ride?
By support I mean: pumps, tire patches and tubes, quick repairs, whatever. It would be a great way to let people know that in L.A. cyclists have each other's backs (I've been saved by several ridazz on different occassions with a pump, a tube, whatever).
Guess the Park Tool investment won't be such a bad idea after all.
Just don't need the bike loaded like a tank then it already is.
However, patches and pumps remain on my person at all times.
I've heard the "flat-tire" excuse given to me too many times to flinch at it anymore.
NO! FUCK NO!!! It is not the bike oven's/kitchen's/rowave's responsibility to baby sit a bunch of whiny hipsters. There is no reason or excuse for not carrying and/or not knowing how to use a patch kit! I for one am tired of missing rides because I'm fixing other people's bikes. Yeah, yeah we've all heard it before, help the the newbies yadda yadda... If you ride alone, splurge and spend the extra $1-2 for a patch kit at a bike shop. If you ride with a group make sure someone is carrying a pump, exchange numbers and be ready to turn back to help a fellow rider.
@ ubrayj02 - Sorry but this subject always gets under my skin. How much support is too much support? There are plenty of riders at these rides with the requisite tools and knowledge to handle any roadside repair. Do we really need to hold more people's hands? What next? Disclaimers and a helmet rule? Part of the attraction of these rides is the air of adventure that comes from riding bikes with a bunch of people (strange and familiar) through the madhouse streets of this or any city. We're trying to get people out of their comfort zones and that can be scawy. To me, providing too much support would hurt the spirit of independence that seems central to these rides.
The pump situation has been taken care of already with the disco pump! >>>
This is on BBD's trailer so it's easy to find. This way it's also easier to RETURN it! If your creepy friend happens to walk away with this and "forgets" to return it, drop them ASAP! We'll be coming after them in force! Which regrettably also means their friends.
Tubes - If you happen to benefit from someone's generosity such as having a tube given to you, return the favor. That means buy a f**kin tube and give it back to them! This is just my opinion, but it's just makes sense, return the love that was given to you!
Finally to all the whiners, it's ok to whine as long as you follow up and do something that actually benefits the rides. Figure that out for yourselves and step up. Giving as well as taking works wonders. Make the next even better than the last.
Along with 7 newbies whom I invited, I was at THE FETISH RIDE.
I have a simple question: what about the "Stay to the Right" guideline listed on this very site?
I have to admit, it's amazing to take over the entire road, but we may be doing ourselves a disservice by continually taking over entire roads. And from what I recall, that's all the cops wanted us to do in the first place: stay to the right.
@Newlyweds.
-There were probably some that were mistaking this for a militant CM ride and were wanting to cause a scene by taking the entire street. If you listen closely to the last video I posted on this thread, you'll hear an objection at the beginning by an unnamed,
"militant-cyclist".
In fact, when I did my first ridazz event at "Ghost Ride The Strip 2",
I nearly mistook it for a CM, but was told otherwise.
Therefore I wised up and calmed down.
If I wanted to be "militant", I would've joined the Marines and became a sniper.
Not ride a bicycle and join the ULock brigade.
Next time, that joker will probably be heard by the wrong cop and taken down for said foolishness.
So, settle down and keep to the right, not a difficult task.
You've got it all wrong man.
You see, we understand that people ride bikes for the simple fun of it.
Not everyone does, nor should know how a patch kit or pump works.
I don't expect my mom to know these things, or even how to put on a popped chain. However if she came on a ride I hope that some one would help her out and not whine about babysitting people.
By saying that not helping people out while taking them out of any sort of comfort zone is just plain stupid. Seriously, think about it. Just plain stupid. Ok, let's just start leaving people behind and stranded in a strange city. That will be sure to get more ladies on the rides as well as newbs.
People like us enjoy helping other people out. If you are missing rides do to being a stand-up guy.......Shit, just start being another random asshole. Maybe you could just laugh at those broke down as you ride by as well.
This subject gets under my skin as well. I've missed three rides in a row due to helping people out. So what? Those people I've helped have been inclined to come back for more, and have.
Seriously, How can you sit there and say leave them behind?
Part of being in a group is knowing that you will be backed up if something goes wrong.
I may be wrong in this, but you're post pissed me off in a pretty big way. It's not babysitting. It's doing what WE ENJOY doing on these rides. There's no reason to hate the helpers. That's like being pissed off at jealousy!
Rattbones, I actually enjoy whipping out my mini-arsenal of cycle-tools. I kind of think of this as a sort of, pit-crew training.
I'll occasionally grumble, but at the same time explain to the broke-down one how to get themselves out of this next time.
Don't know why some people have a problem with this, but I guess it's just cause they like to blaze by and go fast.
I say let them scream and get off on themselves, because in the end, they're not writing any of our checks.
Anyone else have pictures from this ride?
A ot of people keep asking me if there are any after I told them what I was dressed in. I know a lot of people took photos, even in my face close-ups. So if ya got'em, please post'em up or send some to my email.
I'm with LaHarr, people need to be educated as to how to take of themselves, which I think for the most part people are. we're not in the wilderness, we are in the city. does that mean I dont think we should be helping people out? no. I think all of us should be so kind as to help a rida in distress... but all of thee ridazz should be so kind as to be prepared to help others - which means they also can help themselves.
these issues have come up before.... "should there be a team of people riding in the back to fix flats?" well, there are people that take it upon themselves to be the support team and ya know what? they get tired of it. try it for two three months..... if you have the energy then hell yes go for it, but I guarantee you after month 5 or 6 you might have your doubts as to whether this ride is as fun anymore....
and all the talk of females being discouraged because no one (presume-ably a strong resourceful manly man) is there to help them out... that doesnt really fly.... females are just as capable of fixing flats and handling biz. its nothing special.
I'm not saying that we should abandon anyone. NO RIDA LEFT BEHIND... if you see a stranded rida, help them out!
BUT like I said. we should ALL be prepared and willing to help everyone... including ourselves.
About the manly man thing.
I was referring to the idea that women and new ridazz will be put off by certain things previously stated in this thread. Getting left behind and told "tough luck" in a strange environment will be a sure way to put people off on rides. Not that it takes a man to fix their bikes.
I simply like to help out. There have been different crews helping out from month to month. I'm not part of any "crew" toting around tools just for the cause. I won't on the other hand leave anyone stranded. Call it good karma, or call it what you will. I just hope that if I am ever in that position that I'll get the help I need to get back on the ride.
Where exactly did I advocate leaving others behind? I've never done it and never will.
I just don't think it should be the job of the local bike collectives to put together a kit of parts to carry around. Like it has already been stated in earlier posts, there are already plenty of tools/tubes and pumps floating around on the backs (and trailers) of the ridazz who are willing and able to provide assistance.
What I was, am and will continue to complain about is the fact that riders bring friends that obviously can't handle the ride then proceed to ride at the front while their friends struggle and get dropped for whatever reason. I don't expect someone's mother to be able to mash all the hills or do all her own repairs or but if you brought her, would you take off and leave her? I didn't think so. Neither would I.
I tend to act as the helicopter that circles the entire convoy, front-to-the-back. I'll stay with the rear for a little bit, then charge all the way to the front, then slither my way towards the middle.
I'll check on my friends and then tell 'em I'm headed to the back or to the front. They're all cool with it.
Yeah La Harr, your stupid....like that chump on Sunday, who ended up riding with my friend that I brought, that couldn't obviously handle the ride, then I proceed to ride at the front with a big bananamanmwhich while my friend struggled
Then I had the privileged of a strong resourceful manly-man, there to help me out, comes and fix my flat for me, like what happen to me on Embarcadero Sunday. I liked that.
I like strong Bananamanmwhich guys. Too bad, the more weight I gain the higher they set the weight minimum. Why would I want to belong to a club, that would want me anyways.
How about the "ten pull-ups on a street sign at every stop ride", or
"Adam tows people up a hill on his recumbent ride-ride".
I personally would like to push the latter.
My EZ-1's got mad-gears.
I was on the fetish ride and even though it got high-jacked and even though the police officers decided to illustrate how they passed the written exam... I had a great time!
I really wish there was something to make this a ride that the police can support. If you make the pack stop at all the red lights, then we'll jam up Ventura spanning for miles and miles. It also didn't make sense to me (so enlighten me if I'm wrong on this). While riding up Whittsett, with the police car in the left lane, and all of us in the right lane, wasn't the end product, two lanes of traffic blocked? Only the police car is ensuring the left lane remained block versus the (obvious) tactic to allow all cyclists, to take over both left and right lanes so our pack isn't double the length all smushed into the right lane? Instead, wouldn't a suitable solution be to ride in front of the pack an allow us to take over both lanes?
I've only been on 3 rides... the serendipity ride, the clown ride and now the fetish ride... and all three times I had a great time. Thanks for all your planning and efforts because it was a blast (even though it was cut short). I've been thinking about it all week long, but I can't come up with any solutions.
I know this thread has since moved off the "tool kit" topic, but I'm bringing it back.
I kinda agree with LaHarr...
Coming prepared to a ride, it's just common sense.
If you bring a friend/relative/dog/space alien/fluffer/bannannamanwich/turd on a stick/whatever to a ride, be prepared to keep in touch with them throughout the ride. If you and they have a cell phone, call em if you don't see em for a while (unless it's fluffer, giving him directions is like trying to teach a camel to sing opera).
If you bring someone, before you get to the ride, make sure they at least HAVE a patch kit or extra tube (the latter is preferable), and hell make an attempt to show them how to change their flat (and have any special tools nessecary (wrench for bolt on nuts or something), my dad taught me when i was 7, so I think anyone can figure it out eventually.
There are plenty of people who carry the necessary supplies on rides (some more than necessary, some damn near an entire bike shop mechanic's set), they also tend to spend a decent chunk of change every week replacing the supplies they give out (tools too sometimes), this is not only a financial drain, but can be a fun drain too. Spend half a night looking for a ride, after helping someone who got left behind because their friend couldn't be bothered to stop and wait, well, it ain't as fun as riding with said ride.
I am in no way saying leave ridazz stranded on the side of the road, I'm saying an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
In was at the oven during the supposed "sexual harassment".
You have lied straight out about the "core" girl who is also a volunteer at the Oven. She is also a good and close friend of mine.
There was no sexual harassment AT ALL!!!
Sexy, stop running your mouf! You didn't invent the bike or the rides.
You speak as if people should bow down and kiss your scronny white ass.
You have no clue how to true your own wheel let alone understand the difference between sexual harassment and good friends having fun. Your just a dunk with nothing better to do than perfom stpuid acts on rides and running you mouth.
No worries Steve. Everyone pretty much knows the truth of the situation. Even though everyone associated with the place knows it never happened he will still insist that it did. However if you call him out on it he won't say a word. My advice to you is not to "spit out poison" such as this. LMFAO!
The situation is like beating a dead horse. We all know it was a bullshit lie, for whatever reason is known only to him. The guy has had a chip on his shoulder about me since the day he couldn't read my myspace profile. It's silly trivial shit. Some people just have nothing else better to do.
Wow this is a first! A fluffa rescuing a fluffa! Shall we put this in the Midnight Ridazz Hall of Fame page?
On October 4, 2007 at 5:13 pm Eastern Standard Time a fluffa, spiraldemon, came to the rescue of a fellow fluffa, Sexy. This day was marked as a major turning point for all fluffaz in the valley. Fluffaz from all points of the valley look to this day as their day to celebrate all things fluffa. This day was the day they stood up for their rights and demanded equal abuse for all fluffaz. They demanded equal abuse not only on the boards, but also in all rides related to Midnight Ridazz. For this we celebrate October 4th as Fluffa day.
Wow, some people can't take constructive comments on how they may be effecting other people with words.
I don't know what Ratt_Bones has written in the past week or so, accept the reply about La Har. I decide to reading them, that the writings of Ratt_Bone's are poisonous. Writings , that I feel will better, me in no way to read.
It caught my eye, when I saw User1's post about a fluffer helping out another fluffer. I read Squire Bear post because it was addressed to me, and after reading, suspect that, that is Ratt_Bone.
I never quite understood, why this guy took such offense over something that had nothing to do with him, and that he wasn't even involved with. Maybe he was shop manager that night, who knows.
In any situation, there is lots of things happening at, once. People might be in the same room, but be involved with something else.
So there may be something happening, and another person five feet away from you, might not even know that it is happening, due to the fact they are focused on something else.
It unfortunate for me, that this situation is occurring with someone who refers to themselves as aggroman in there email address. Unfortunate, because this board was extension of the rides, and was a fill in between the joy I got out of this community.
I saw somebody who seemed to enjoy this more then me, and asked who they where and that person lost there cool, over the fact that I didn't remember who he was. Yes you are new here, what does that mean? It means it took me about four months, to learn the handle names on here, of people I was close with. People that I would ride with, every weekend. Most of these people had the same problem. It was no shame in having to tell each other what our handles where, and what your name was. I remember this specifically with Kyber, Fuzzbeast and Spiraldemon, all of those guys had to keep telling me who they where until it stuck. There is people I've been riding with since bike summer 05, who name I can't remember, we know each other, and share the common bond of these rides.
Yes RedRidingHood, you do have a legitimate reason to think i'm a prick. You have seem to forgive me for that and I appreciate that.
To understand why, I came out you the way I did that night. I had had so many conversation with you since I think BFF 05, if you where there, or whenever you popped into town. Deep conversations, and each time, you wouldn't say, oh I forgot your name, you would offer me your hand and big smile and your name, and asking my mine, like we just seen each other for the first time. The night of the races, I was thinking about you and thought if she does that again, I'm going to give her a piece of my mind, and I did. It wasn't cool of me, and I never apologized to you about, but here it is, and I hope you accept. SORRY :<
Back to what I witnessed at the BikeOven when I brought up the sexual harassment. I didn't want to say where it was, and I won't say who was involved. They where two young guys, who spend lots of time at the oven. Unfortunately, you choose not accept it had anything to do with you or what you said Ratt_Bones, as I said, I didn't hear anything about nipple jokes. I will now say what I heard,
first comment was, "why are you building a fixies, you know girls can't ride fix" second comment was, I have some work for you, it with a bunch of guys named, John.....referring to the girl as whore.
Yes it was amongst friend, and it might just as well have caused no pain to anybody. I do know that kind of language is harmful to people, so I decide to bring it up, so people would take note.
I think those that can listen, did so. Just like in the Elite Riders thread, the guy brought up something, that may cause people to think about what comes out of there mouth in the future. It obviously struck a nerve with a few people, that why there was over a 100 responses in a day.
For you Ratt_Bones, its too bad you didn't just take it as it was a comment, of the potential damage it can cause. You took it, as if I was talking about you. I wasn't! Why are you so offended, do you feel guilty about something you did? Don't answer, I don't really care. It's too bad, I witness someone who loves these rides and this board more then me, and , when I just wanted to see who you where, you took offense of the inquiry. Have fun with this, just stay clear from me. There is a reason why I ignore you when I come in the oven. This is also a bummer, because I made some great friends there over the last year or two, and it seems you volunteer there almost everyday.
It was a general comment. I give you that much, but that's it. The fact that we all knew exactly what and who you were talking about is what pissed off A LOT of people. If words are damaging, How about dry humping the "core" rider every time you greet her? It makes little if no sense at all to boast about others conversations in a bad way, then have physical inappropriate contact with said person in the public eye.
Simple lesson here is PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!
I took no offense to you wanting to see who I was. The problem I had was the tact you used to find out. You are also a hypocrite in the same way. Your profile is far more elusive than mine.
At least there is a valid link to my myspace profile, a video of myself, and a small bio. Yet you accuse me of being super secret in who I am. All you had to do was just ask or send me a friends request and PRESTO, you can see anything in there you want to.
Your myspace link is just a link to anyon'e myspace who happens to be logged and you have a donut for a profile pic. I ask you.....Who is more secrative? Sure it's funny and all, but it hardly gives you a right to get on some one else for it.
Even in light of how much you have been a dick to me on this board since the first day you have spoken to me on here I have still maintained respect for you as a person and in person. I have been polite and respectful on every turn and even showed you how to repair a thing or two. In fact I've even said nothing but good things about you from the little experiences I've had with you in person. I don't judge people online. It's the internet man. When it comes to dissing the Oven like that, especially with a scenario that did not exist, we will fight it until the bitter end. Furthering the notion that the person in question is also a volunteer just made it worse. She is opting to stay out of it as to not jeopardize her friendship with you and we respect that.
Now I do have a problem with the fact that you have taken a simple online blog deal and made it personal. If I had an issue with you and cared as much as you are claiming I have, I would have just told you to fuck off from the get go. Instead I helped you out and even joked at the online bs right to you. Telling people that I spit out poison on here is just an attempt to shift blame. The fact is that you did make up things and put it out in the open is nothing but poison. We did not have any part in that. It's all on you. You are the one that needs to make the apologies to the people you stepped on. Not us. We don't owe you anything. However we will remain to treat you in person with the same respect that we would like to be treated with. Telling me to "stay clear of you" seems more like a threat than anything else. Unfortunately we will most likely be attending the same events several times a month. Steering clear may be an issue.
I've been willing to bury the hatchet several times and have given you several outs to do so. Instead you gave me a shitty comment and left my open hand hanging. I don't have a problem. I will defend the place that I volunteer and the volunteers that donate their time until the bitter end. There is nothing stopping you from coming down and attending our meetings and volunteering yourself. Hell, if you did that then maybe I wouldn't need to be there as much. I have a home business. I have the time to make sure the place is open on time, I can close late, and can dedicate myself 100%.
You are very, very good at twisting other people's words around to make them look small. You've done it to me several times since this thing started between us. It's just the internet man. Nothing more.
I still have no problem with you. Just don't talk shit and there isn't any issues. Maybe you just don't understand what a big deal an accusation like that is. Or how it effects people who dedicate their time there and the potential people that want to come down (or wanted to). To be honest, not a day has rolled by where the conversation has not come up. People are very upset. Just suck it up and make some needed apologies. That's all it takes.
When it comes down to it, if you were to come by I'd still teach you how to wrench despite our differences.
I guess the hijacking went from the physical streets and lives on the boards.
It was just some posts back where we were discussing logistics and ride management issues.
Now it's all about Fluffing, some harrassment scandal, being left out, and other issues I never even bothered to wince at.
A day in the life of the solo-riding, truckcyclinder.
I think one of the best parts of that ride was when the cop, sounded his super loud alert noise on the car, then proceeded to tell the rider on the bike over the also loud intercom that his small boom box playing Johnny Cash was to loud and it was getting late and people are trying to sleep.
Also while i was riding by the car crash that happened by Univeral and the lady cop said "pick one biker out of the group, wait pick that guy on the tall bike (the extended very high bike)and pull him over"
thanks to everyone for making it fun but most of the thanks goes to the cops. Ha
The short cop told me that they must have saved at least 10 lives that night. I told him I said I thought he could be exaggerating because on other rides where cops aren't "accompanying" us, no one has lost their life. Over 10 lives could be an inflated number.
You'd think we were going through union negotiations for salary increases.
1) i was among the folks who confronted the cops after the main part of the ride ended prematurely (before the taco run). It seemed one of them was pretty intent on being a total tool, but the others were more shootin' the breeze amongst themselves, probably happy to be on light duty for the evening. Anyway they advized all the blah blah, but didn't quite understand that we don't have a leader or organization. I reiterated that this is simply the fact and that there's nothing to do about it, and that they check in with superiors in the LAPD to learn how other parts of the city deal with us. The surrounding cops (ie, not Captain Tool) were surprised when several of us confirmed we usually get treated far better, and seemed sympathetic to the idea that they could have "policed" us better.
2) on logistics - I would think - if possible - puling the entire group together right before the ride launches is a good way to a) advise on safety (and that we need to pay attention to emergency vehicles); b) identify people to stay behind in the front (help prevent hijacking) and c) make sure everyone knows that only the front of the ride should be stopping at lights - intermediate stops actually worsens any impact on traffic and helps keep our "mass" at its "critical" density,so to speak.
well, folks at the front of the ride should be aware that they have a responsibility to the entire ride to keep a reasonable pace. If the front of the pack is pretty discilined about stopping at red lights, and people back further are disciplined about running them, folks in back get a regular chance to catch up, and - as a group - we get through the intersection a little bit more quickly.
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Ridazz Roulette!
Has any ridazz been a little naughty and needs a nice spanking? Or have you been saving that black catsuit costume for a special occasion? Well, its time to get a little kinky and dress up for some fetishes. Bring out the costumes, leather, latex, hand cuffs, masks, 6 inch high heels, and etc! 6 We are keeping it playful and fun, so be creative!!
im totally into furries..
this should be a good one <3 I think I'll be wearing electrical tape. unless I can find a cheep schoolgirl outfit.
I have had that picture as my desktop back round for the last year or so.
You guys keep it up and I may not be wrong in my predickshun?
if it turns into a sausagefest... we could always have a BBQ
I can't help it.
Let me help. Here's a picture I found of Borfo.
Tis true. I've found it hard to get both male and female to try one of the rides.
Well that's great to hear.
Hey wait a minute!
Let's just "ride"...
Anyone want to guess where I heard this?
Has anyone ever given any thought to how gay males feel?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for stopping at fewer liquor stores (which would mean fewer swerving drunk nitwits) and at more cafes, especially if I can both use the bathroom properly and pick up an espresso or...dare I say it...
Aiight Man, we'll gp ahead and try some of the mom/pops you speak of Marino.
ATTENTION ALL LADIES:
And if we could also use it as a bong...
Did you know that God is really a woman? 
It's Alanis Morset!
@ Borfo: OK, I seriously just spat out water after reading your post on the pee funnel. Brilliance.
i got feet like franky, is that a fetish? (no i did not get turned on well almost) lol
I never heard anything about this being a beer/bar ride. It wasn't stated on the ride calender as such. nor did it say anything like that on the flyer. However all MR rides are beer rides. Sins and Sprockets hits the bars. Try one of those rides instead.
Oh, yeah.
Stop the hijax
@ kyber: I find it pretty laughable that you're trying to call people out and saying no one is stepping up or ofering help...
time to smile indeed!
@ Sexy: Well I'm putting myself out there...If you guys need help with printing or anything...just let me know. I've got access to printers and colored paper.
@ Brian: Again, it was good meeting you. I am down to help...just let me know what you need. Drop me an e-mail.
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Along with 7 newbies whom I invited, I was at THE FETISH RIDE.
@ Ratt_Bones: Here fucking here! My sentiments exactly. I don't mind helping people because it's the right thing to do.
Man, we sound like a bunch of old ladies...I'm sure with all the help that's been offered, next months "Cruz with Us" ride will be suiccessful.
How about the "ten pull-ups on a street sign at every stop ride", or
@ Sexy: I'll take Estelle Getty...she's a slut...like me.
Jeezus, who's been drinking...
Wow.