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Thread started by SKIDMARCUS at 03.18.08 - 11:16 am
I OWN THIS 40 FOOT LONG BUS.
THIS IS NOT A DREAM.
YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THIS.
I purchased this bus with the intentions of living in it while converting it to an RV and reselling it before my trip. My plans have changed and now I would like to propose that this bus becomes the
OFFICIAL MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ TOURBUS
THIS IS NOT A DREAM.
YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THIS.
I imagine enough Ridazz have now gone to Las Vegas, Portland, San Francisco, Salton Sea, San Diego, and potentially Austin that the desire for such a venture is here.
THIS IS NOT A DREAM.
YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THIS.
Its a 1991 GMC RTS 40ft long retired city bus. It has 380K miles on the body, but less than 50K on the engine and transmission. It runs flawlessly. The engine is a 7.4 Detroit Diesel.
I am selling it for $6000 but for Ridazz I will sell for $5500 in a heartbeat. I propose that the ownership be as follows:
X-number of Ridazz each throw down enough X-$$$ to collectively purchase it for $5500 from me. The terms of the ownership are up to the Ridazz involved.
Before we get into this, I would like to gauge the interest in this venture. Discuss below if you are interested.
Maybe instead of row-seating, perhaps seats situated alongside the windows(backs to the windows) would be a viable idea.
Another thing to think about would be the DOT requirements this thing would need.
Since it's not being used for public, or private revenue generation, a passenger endorsement isn't necessary.
Although a class-A, non-commercial might be required for operation on public roads.
My license supersedes most of those requirements, so if an operator's needed, I'm up.
We need 55 peeps x $100 or
11 peeps x $500 or
5.5 peeps x $1,000
I'm in for any of the above but I don't want to own it.
This thing probably needs at least 5K-15K year in insurance & maintenance.
Or srsly Marcus if this bus needs too much work do you think it's better if you sell it to someone else and we look for another? Or maybe a small fleet of vans? Each bike gang responsible for their own van.
personally i like the idea of a fleet of vans, if we could make the bus work that would be amazing, but the costs/logistics of a 40ft bus seem a little intense...
Marcus is there any way to keep it and make it rent-able for trips? say we book it for 6 trips a year. expenses / number of people able to fit in the bus = amount per year.
I will try to outline the issues with this venture.
1_BUILD TO SUIT
I am part of an architecture collective called SMASHarchitecture. We have been gauging the interest and gathering outside proposals for what we can do with this project. We are keeping the bus available with the intentions of building to suit. Thus, the interior of the bus is completely gutted and ready to build into. It could be built to an RV, a solar fortress, a love den, an indoor garden, a burning relic on a ridazz trip, a concrete floored campground. The bus is a rolling steel shell. *DEFINITELY account for more money to be involved when we build this to suit the Ridazz needs.
2_RV vs CLASS A
The best part of this deal is that a bus can be officially considered an RV. it actually has RV plates on it now. This is an easy option for us, becuase all the DMV accounts for as an RV is a bed and a bathroom! After that its time to rock. The benefit is huge, in that you gain all advantages of it being an RV:
-NO CLASS A LICENSE REQUIRED TO DRIVE IT.
-INSURANCE IS SAME RATE AS AN RV.
-PARKING IS SAME AS AN RV.
3_PARKING
The storage of the bus is an issue. It cannot be parked on the street in the city of LA until it is considered an RV. I am paying $100 / month to store it safely in a private lot in the Valley. Not a big deal, but a deal nonetheless.
4_OWNERSHIP / MAINTENANCE
This is of course completely up to invested Ridazz. Whatever you want.
PERSONALLY
The Ridazz Bus is def one of the more interesting proposals to me of all of the ones we are reviewing. It is my personal hope that it will happen. I would offer my design team to be heavily involved in the design AND construction of the bus, whatever happens. We have preliminary schemes on all of our proposals, and I would be super happy to share when the time is right. I am writing all of this to gauge the interest of everyone. More can be explained as it comes up, but this is a good start.
RE: 1_BUILT TO SUIT: I don't really get what you are saying.. If we all agree to make it a MR Bus we have to wait until SMASH Collective does it's thing to it? Or are you saying it will make additional modifications if we include it in the price?
All I want to know is - When is it ready for us to have?
OR - What Roadblock said: Can we just rent it from you?
It would pay for itself that way, no? (Parking, Interior design, and maintenance)
RE_BUILD TO SUIT:
NOTE: The bus is not currently Rida-ready. I said above, the number above would get the project to the Ridazz as is. A good floor, a bathroom, maybe a kitchenette, title, insurance, will bring it above $5500. Please just be aware of this.
RE_RENTABILITY:
We will need to do more research on issues like insurance, liabilities of ownership, interior design, and finances, but we are definitely considering the possibilty of building it as The Ridazz Bus. It would be built to the Ridazz needs. We would rent it per trip. We have to logistically determine what it takes to do this, and what it would cost to the Ridazz, but we are seriously researching this possibilty.
I am pursuing this as a serious project and I do welcome all input. THANKS!
With about 50 "sponsors" for the bus you can set up a monthly automatic cc charge of about $3.00 each to cover all expenses... parking, etc.
Those 50 sponsors get first dibs on seats for any trips. Gas could partly come out of expense account (from the $3.00 charges). If the bus wasn't filled by sponsors, we could sell passage space with those funds going back into the expense account.
Or, we can say, screw this bus idea and do what we've always done.
I'll throw down $200 if need be.
There's a couple of spots I could fish around for storage up here, but that's highly unlikely, due to poor proximity from MR's operational area.
I see this never happening, you guys can't even come together on a date for Austin. I will put down $100, as a friend to Marcus, to get him out of this mistake.
I floated this idea out when there was just yahoo groups. There was never any interest in even going to this thing! Ventura has Kinetic Sculpture Races too, http://www.kineticrace.com/ and this was what I wanted to enter into.
I would put this on a separate thread and see if anyone bites. I'll be interested.
i'm going to put the kinetic thing on the backburner for now but i went a couple of years ago and it was fun as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just had a really nice daydream, imagining how fun it would be to really make this happen together as a group, however big or small it ends up being. We have a bunch of people who like getting together and making things... freak bikes, spoke cards, food, music, costumes-- we can do this!!! We just need a place we can do it!! Already, people are ready pitch in w/ money and ideas and ready to do the work... but where can we keep it!? Does anyone have a big back yard or a warehouse space? hahaha did i just write that!? how many times have ridazz needed a warehouse space!? ok guys... srsly. where can we keep a 40ft bus while we work on it to make it the ultimate time...er...bike travelmachine...gun...derstorm !!!!! I'm in 1 bill. Lets get this going and then make our maiden voyage to Austin!!! Sexy NO NAYSAYING!!! :P
I'm in for a $100... this is sounding like a coop bike thing. If we're to do it. Have it restored really nice inside, add potties, etc. we easily could rent it out. The $100 dollars + monthly fees are easily shares. If we start renting it out, if it's cool enough. We could quickly get our monies back, and expand the project... oh shit...
@borfo
What's up with everyone being afraid of high-heat, anyway?
Is it me, or do I seem to be the only person who actually get's an energy boost from 110degrees+?
If the temp ever goes below 40, I could still function, like a 90 year old man.
We should seriously draft a business plan for this. SRSLY. srsly...
Since it's Diesel, it can run on VEGETABLE OIL with a little modification, it will always be able to run Diesel & Bio-diesel.
I'm VERY interested in this.
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There is an old COP CAR, with light-bars, spotlights & front ram for sale near my work for $4000. It's a 97 Ford with 58K miles. It's fully loaded, antennas & everything. Even the PA & Siren. It's missing only a Radio.
As I said at Tren Way last week (gotta skip out this week, folks. Bummed!) I'm fairly willing to pay for the bus outright an make it available for ridazz events, but I wouldn't then be able to afford the interior revamping. But if the ridazz can put together a plan for the interior and the funding for that effort, I can come up with $5500 for the bus itself. Of course, all this is dependent upon what it'll cost me to insure the thing for the use we have intended for it and the ridazz being willing to fund the interior mods of a privately owned bus. Otherwise, I'm in for a couple hundred on the communal ownership thing.
We probably ought to figure out the set of things we'd like to accomodate in the interior and then let our architecture collective do the heavy lifting of a design to meet our criteria.
Things to consider
How many to accomodate seated
How many to accomodate sleeping
How much storage space
fridge?
microwave?
kegerator?
booths with tables?
media server/arcade video game emulator (mame)
sound system
aux power system, charges off alternator or generator when parked
external lighting
storage for folding tables and camping kitchen
If we can come up with a set of requirements, I'm sure the architects can come up with a design, assuming our requirements are reasonable, and then we can all pitch in on costs and labour to get it built.
benstrider, take note your skin is not as fair as many of us, of course you will be able to handle the heat better.
Do any of you even take into consideration what the maintenance on this thing is going to cost? A few hundred each is just up front cost. I would guess it is going to cost all 50 or 60 of us, realistically $500- $700 per year.
I'm still into bailing Marcus out of this, but you folks should really consider all of the overhead that is going to be involved.
@rev.dak
-The radio was probably yoinked out of the cruiser to be put into another unit.
Not to mention that those radios are usually trunked and worth a pretty penny if found on the street.
if 55 ppl throw in 100 for seat reservations can this bus accomodate 55 people when its done or are we all gonna be generous ridazz and call it community. I vote community. but the ppl who pay have precedence on seating.
Provided that we have 3 or 4 decent drivers, I'll throw $1000 towards startup. That's 3 zeros. I don't know how much time I can put in, but I'll help out where possible. If it goes well, I might put down more.
@sexy
-Oh, yeah.
I never really, remember to factor in the "sun-burn" card.
I was assuming those fearing the heat was due to heat-related, internal problems.
Heat exhaustion, dehydration, things like that.
Oh...I keep forgetting about using the Architect collective to "create" the required space within AND outside of the vehicle. I'd want to leave all that up to them, it would be created with an objective eye, and something they will want to "showcase". Which would make the whole project "marketable" for renting, etc. I'm totally talking about aesthetics...
A minimum requirement would it would have to accommodate and equal amount of bikes per passengers & driver(s). Plus their "stuff". We would also leave that design to the Architect collective.
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I say we, as a collective, try to put together some sort of business plan, and see if we can do this!
I guess the first things we'd have to do if figure out the yearly costs, include parking, insurance, etc.
I'm down for financial contributions, but getting it together, I can't help.
Really weight out the cost, and see if we would be better, going a different route. Maybe a couple of short buses, seems better. If you are all into doing what you say around here, count my dollars in.
Remember, the bike van, the trailer for bikes to Las Vegas.
@sexy
-Never has that been any truer than North Dakota.
I stopped in Fargo last year, and did a little ride through some of the place.
No racism or anything like that, but most of the people I encountered were pale as ghosts, and kept saying, "Ya Betcha!!"
Not to mention the thing about the cold as well.
We have to also figure out how many people we can FIT in the thing, especially if we are going to include a Kitchen & Potty. What are the minimum requirements for RV status again?
I can guarantee that once those are built, the numbers MAX will be a lot smaller than 50. I'm already thinking somewhere like 20-30. Green Tortoise buses are good examples of what a reasonable layout would look-like and fit: http://www.greentortoise.com/bus.charters.html I bet we could get a lot of price info from Green Tortoise.
So I'm sure the prices initial price will be much more that a $100 per person... It's looking more like $200 - $500... Which, in reality, is not that bad of an investment. It's really all about the business plan, and figuring out how much money we can make a month if we rent it out when we're not using it.
So, yeah. This IS some complicated shit.
Jared, what do you need? Annual or Monthly Costs broken down, etc...? Plus projected rental income, etc. I'm assuming we'd do all this shit as a not-for-profit (more to the initial costs...)
@studiodrome
-That's about right.
The tanks on these things are most likely twin, 120gal., or something around that.
Driving the rig, I always looked at the price gauge whenever I was company-fueling.
A fill-up with the prices now could easily reach that.
Talked to some owner-operators who say they're barely scraping by with the cheap freight that they've been hauling.
Alot of rigs going up for sale, along with former o/o's going company as a safe-haven.
Also, keeping in mind we're not investing into this to make a zillion bucks. We're investing into this, as a GIFT, to benefit and supplement the F.U.N. that we already enjoy being part of Midnight Ridazz. Throwing down a couple thousand bucks, a year, into a bus, that will be used to haul my ass across the country for nothing but F.U.N. & Adventure sounds like a deal to me. It's probably a TON cheaper than what people pay for in time-shares. It's probably a TON cheaper than an Ocean Cruise. And an I.N.F.I.N.I.T.E. times more F.U.N.
I would need to know who will be running this from the top down aka company breakdown, management summary, personnel plan, Initial investment, running costs, work closely with the build out team, marketing plan, objectives, mission, strategy and implementation,etc. for starters.
Then i could figure out a phase deployment layout, identify the mechanical sections, break-even and do all the financials along with an operational plan/survey so if someone wants to take charge and spearhead this, i can definitely assist by lending my knowledge and skills.
be forewarned, the planning is a project all in itself and would probably take more time (if done correctly) to build the bus itself. most of the work is research.
I doubt we can count much on rental income. Unless we do up the interior as some kind of showcase, using the kinds of tech they use on boats, its always gonna be more of a party bus than an RV, which means it is only going to be in demand for the same events we want to take it to (Coachella, Burning Man, etc). I wouldn't count on a whole lot of rental income. Maybe enough to cover the parking fees on occasion.
Personally, I think it'll be more entertaining if it is more of an RV than a bus. Transporting people doesn't seem much of a problem for the group, and a decent design should accomodate a fair number of seated passengers, even if it doesn't sleep all that many people inside. Honestly, having spent a summer touring the country in a harvester school bus back in my college days, I can tell you that the funk factor gets pretty high when you've got a lot of people sleeping in a small space, anyway, especially when they don't have regular access to a shower. If it sleeps 8-10 in beds with floorspace for a few more, and can store tents and camping gear for another 10, then I'm sure we can figure out a convertible space that can accommodate 25 folks during the actual driving. Given that the seats are not likely to be near as comfy as the seats in a regular car, you have to provide more room for each seated person to move around a bit more. Trips would be miserable if we were all just sitting in pairs like in a regular school bus. I'd think 25 is the upper limit for a trip of any significant length, and 20 will be a whole lot more manageable.
Given that 20% of donors will probably always be missing on any given trip, shooting for 25 donors who can each kick in something like $400, even if that is done in installments, is probably the way to go. That provides enough cash for the purchase, the renovation, and enough labour to get the job done swiftly. That leaves everyone also committed to a $4/month parking fee plus their share of the insurance, which shouldn't run too much more than $10 each, I'd bet. So to do it that way, we are looking at a $200 up front contribution followed by another $200 over the next couple of months, plus something like $15/month on maintenance plus your share of fuel on any trip you participate in. Its certainly not a trivial commitment, but not completely out of hand, either. If you ignore the $400 up front, $15/month for a share in an RV ain't bad at all.
Then assume that the bus is simply the lead vehicle and large cargo transporter in any MR caravan.
there are always ways to make money. MR is already diferentiating itself as a brand (dare I say it) and if we really wanted to make money to pay for the trips advertising could be sold on the bus.
im not saying its the way to go im just saying money is out there to be had.
"Then assume that the bus is simply the lead vehicle and large cargo transporter in any MR caravan."
Excellent thought. Having your trailer at the Salton Sea was a big help so having the bus as the lead wagon in our wagon train for roadtrips would be awesome. HQ, basically.
I'm a little light on cash at the moment.
But if there is to be a fundrazor related to the Ridazz bus you know I will be there in full effect with music and or other helps.
AND I CAN COME UP WITH SOME KINDA "ENTERTAINMENT" FEATURES, LIKE MAYBE A BIG SCREEN THAT EXTENDS ABOVE THE ROOF OF THE BUS LIKE, LETS SAY 30 FEET OR MORE, WITH A PORTABLE 'PROJECTOR' TO SHOW SOME BOMB ASS MOVIES RELATED TO WHAT WE ARE ABOUT, DON'T FORGET THE SOUND SYSTEM THAT WILL 'SUPPORT' THE MOVE SCREEN, THIS COULD BE FUN, I MEAN "THIS COULD BE A 'FUNDERSTORM'!!!!!
Ill chip in a benny or two for this... We really do need a bus. I also wouldn't mind pitching in some good old fashion elbow grease to make this thing presentable either...
Sam's numbers look very close to the numbers that I'm imagining. We're looking at something like a thousand bucks a year per "Share".
This "entity" would not be a corporation, but a co-operative. The differences, benefits & disadvantages, is way beyond the scope of this thread. But I personally would rather see the bus owned by US, in a cooperative manner, without board-members, Chiefs, and Executives, and other bullshit like that.
Of course this "vehicle" will be a lead vehicle. With out growing numbers, we'll have any number of "support" vehicles.
It sounds like we have enough interest. Who is going to take the initiative to look into insurance, parking, etc.? I can certainly help, but I can't take the lead because my time is a little limited.
TWBG....maybe we can get a mini collective to work out details...?
ya ,lets set a ride FROM somewhere TO somewhere and have lunch, brainstorm, shake hands on the plans, set up a 'paypal' account, issue access to paypal, then set up a RD committee, requiring approval from the MR Community AS A WHOLE. then SMOKE A BIG ASS JOINT!!!!!
as much as you would like to see that without the hassle of execs etc. its better to shelter everyone under a corporation and have the bus be owned by it so we can reap the benefits insurances, fueling card programs, limited liability aka if there is an accident that is our fault let the corp be sued and have us fold it instead of having some jackass sue me and everyone else personally for our assets. there are a slew of other benefits to capitalize on.
an 501c3 takes forever to be formed and approved whereas an LLC, S Corp, or C-Corp can be expedited.
the coop sould be ownership shares in the created entity imo. i strongly advise going this route.
So, as for now, SMASH is really excited to design the Midnight Ridazz Bus, hopefully a fleet of them. We are not at all opposed to renting it, selling it outright, or co-op selling it. All three are options we are entertaining.
All I want of this project is to:
1) Make sure we have this bus rocking, as smoothly as possible.
2) Use Ridazz' talents to make this project the best it can be. This includes using the services of SMASHarchitecture.
3) I want a spot!
The design for Ridazz is preliminary, but I can tell you this. Before we get to bells and whistles, our design goals are:
1) Maximize the # of Ridazz as passengers.
2) Maximize the # of Ridazz seating / bike-storage / pack-storage / and lodging on-board.
3) Stages of construction. Is this a barebones bus for every trip? Does it change each time, as Ridazz begin to contribute? We are going to be considering these questions in the design phase.
Of concern now is: would you like to see it? Can the Ridazz on this thread narrow down the methods of ownership? Should we set up a meeting for this? Next week any day except Thursday after 7pm is good for me.
At any rate, this is going to be mind-blowing project and really be something special for us. I am giving my all to it in any way I can, professionally and as an F.U.N. representative.
@user1, zip it, we all know you are a corporate spy!
@jared, i totally understand the benefits of incorporating, especially in this litigious - take no responsibility for self - kind of world. A collective is the way I would prefer to do because it puts trusts in us as humans to do the right thing, which I think is more in line with the spirit of Midnight Ridazz, i.e. not selling out, and being all-inclusive. BUT consensus is key here, I don't adamantly oppose going corporate. I will resist within reason.
I'm glad we're talking about this kind of stuff, because it's important. This is serious business.
Tossing in a $100 is one thing. Fully investing in the Ridazz Buss is completely different.
I'm not worried about litigation from other ridazz. I'm worried about litigation from the guy who owns the field we wind up in when accidentally running of the side of the highway, etc.
Sam can be vice king. If the king is unable to fulfill his duties, Sam the vice king will be succeeding as king until the said owners can nominate a permanent king.
Dak, get with the program or zip it. We wish to limit the liability of the 50+ owners.
@user1, you zip it. I'm into this program and contributing towards a positive & constructive conversation instead of mindless Hurrah Hurrah bullshit. If we go corporate, I will still most like support. If it's a bunch of people with hot air, and vapor benjamins, then i'm out.
Bicycle Kitchen is a cooperative. Bike Oven is a cooperative. The whole ECO Village, and most living cooperatives are just that. Cooperatives, NOT corporations. I don't count on accidents and being sued, though we all know those things happen. Every time we carpool and caravan, there are liabilities that we will have to accept, and responsibilities we have to own. It wouldn't be any different for a Bus or RV. It really wouldn't. But AS I HAVE SAID - I'm not directly opposed to it being part of a corporate entity. I want to open the conversation of WHAT TYPE of entity this would be. And I'm in favor of a cooperative. Everyone should look into it, and weight the benefits and disadvantage. An open mind, and an OPEN discussion should had by all.
@Dak,
The he is king and the other is vice king was just away to state my agreement with them. I didn't think anyone would take it literal or as a "mindless Hurrah Hurrah bullshit", much less someone like you. The Kitchen, Oven and Wave are cooperatives, but they are quite abit different than a rolling bus. A rolling bus presents quite a bit more of a liability and all it takes is one accident for this house of cards to fall if this bus is handled as a cooperative ownership. I am open to dicussing what this ownership should look like too. Telling people to shut up does nothing to advance this issue.
We run the risk of having accidents and being sued when we do drive in a caravan. We have insurance to minimize this in the event of this happening. When you multiply this by 50+, it makes everyone liable for the actions of one person. You'll have a hard time getting most on board if this is the case. Good luck forwarding this if it's not setup as a corporation.
Technically the Kitchen is a 501.3c, BRW might be considered a business (we're working out whether to be S-Corp, Co-Op or 501.3c)... I'm not sure about the Oven...
I agree with what Hunger is saying regarding business structure and ownership, but conceptually I would like to see this build out as a Co-Op, just to prove it can be done.
Also, I'm always willing to swing a hammer or fire up a welder if you guys need it.
I would like to set up a time for people to meet. We can discuss all these issues, ownership, liabilities, design, and as many options as we can for the direction of this thing.
Weeknights, weekends, Monday or after..Whats good?
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That was a pretty, cool piece of writing right there.
"bruce steel".
Sounds like some type of, overhyped, action-movie hero.
it is unfair to everyone reading this, to mention No Logo and not mention the author Naomi Klein. Just put her name in the search engine, and come up with her insightful articles, and other books.
She is a real blessing, in the effort to save ourselves from ourselves.
I read her latest book "The Shock Doctrine" and can only say, SCARY.
She figured out how the modern empire worked (not that other have uncovered this info before her, but she tied it all together economically) to over take people, and countries and turn them into slaves. Be warned, all the ways they do this is happening right now, right here in the United States, they are doing it in a certain way in New Orleans right now. This isn't what would be called "conspiracy theory" this is real history, and the results of what happen, and is happening because of past efforts.
I would suggest reading anything by Naomi Klein. You can get her articles all over the net for free
yo I put up the link to that at the beginning of the post. It's from the Stuff White People Like blog, started by a Canadian who lived in LA for a
while.
The corporation talk in this debate jogged my memory, so I tossed it up.
You may suggest those, I have read them. I do consider there work to be old news. It might not be old news, to most, but I read those authors years ago. Klein is "cutting edge," fresh info, in my opinion.
Having trouble sleeping?, put on a Chomsky talk. That will do the trick.
"save ourselves from ourselves" -- just another way of saying, saving the likes of me from the likes of you. it is naive, purely, simply, completely to think that words one defines as knowledge can or will change what is plainly human nature.
but we forget, and each generation tries it again as if it's new found wisdom.
...well i can see what kind of mood i'm in this morning. time to ride and get happy.
I thing I like best about this forum, is being blasted about my grammar,
second thing I like best is being blasted for sharing my concern about things. Bicyclist around here are proving themselves to be very tolerant.
Please everyone, lets find some more faults with my posting.
You may want to refrain from sarcasm, especially this early in the morning it's likely to go over many ridazz headz.
On the spelling thing, I'm pretty spelling retarded, but fortunately the browser I use (safar) has a spell check built in.
I can only assume that insecurity and low self esteem at at the root of negativa personal attacks.
Give a fluffa some fluffing, buy a drunkard a (root)beer, tell a skinny panted hipster that you (sincerely) think that they are cool, ride a nice bike, and are making cycling more fun for everyone.
Then we can all have an online hugfest ... OK OK maybe we should hug before the fluffing so nobody gets poked.
TO MEET:
How about somewhere in the middle of the city during this next week?
OR perhaps next weekend AT the bus' current location (Lake View Terrace, northern edge of the valley.) This would be better for discussion, but not better logistically.
I'd love to, but no dice. The bus is not easily in-out from its current location. It is parked there for the duration of construction, or until a better location is selected.
Do you want to ride there or otherwise go there?
Do you want to meet in LA?
Other suggestions?
Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.
Monday Monday, can't trust that day,
Monday Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way
Oh Monday morning, you gave me no warning of what was to be
Oh Monday Monday, how yould cou leave and not take me.
Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time
Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.
Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time
We should determine a place somehwere a little more westerly, maybe Mid-City or K-Town. or something near Western Ave. I think thats a fair dividing line. SMASH is mostly westside, btw.
We have the bus, lets make it a real Midnight Ridazz Tour Bus!
This meeting will be to kick things of in the realm of making the bus dream a reality. Topics will be financial, insurance, ownership, co-op, and just general brainstorming.
SMASHarchitecture will have basic schematics in hand for the design discussion.
Everyone is encouraged to go.
Lets get this rolling, pun intended!
BARCADE serves food and drink and I think its cash only.
WILSHIRE/WESTERN is a stop. thats closer. its the purple line...? hmmm, i didnt know there was a purple line. am i reading that right?..(pardon my westsider-no-mta skills)
awesome! can you make it Jared???
EVERYONE - feel free to do some independent research regarding any of the issues- insurance, class a, rental, etc.- this will make things much more productive!
Can we use the bus to more effectively cork intersections? Just say it breaks down from time to time. The drivetrain's new, but the shell's old so we can get away with it. lol
The meeting should be open to Angel Investors ONLY.
To qualify for "Angel Investor" status you need the following:
- A letter from your BF, GF, mom or some kind of proof that you have at least $2.00 in your pocket.
- A letter from your BF, GF, mom or some kind of proof that in the last 12 months you've purchased a six pack of beer with your own funds and you've shared at least one can with someone else without expecting sexual favors in return.
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Ridazz Roulette!
I OWN THIS 40 FOOT LONG BUS.
AWESOME good response, and good questions.
I'm also planting the BIO-Diesel seed into your brainzz... 
OK, thanks for everyone's interest...
or this
MUST have one of these:
I think I have a design for the rear lights!
I came up with a date for Austin, but you were all: "Waaah! Waaah! It's too hot. I can't handle being sweaty. Waaaaah!" 
Midnight Ridazz (+Los Angelopes) Bus!!!!!
it is unfair to everyone reading this, to mention No Logo and not mention the author Naomi Klein. Just put her name in the search engine, and come up with her insightful articles, and other books.
You may want to refrain from sarcasm, especially this early in the morning it's likely to go over many ridazz headz.
What Indigis said.
i meant pure luck. wednesday and monday nights are usually ride nights. but i'm easy. did i mention i like easy?
