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Thread started by DIRTY HIPSTER at 03.1.13 - 8:03 am
SO, I WENT IN TO THE KITCHEN ON MONDAY, HAD TO FIX AN ISSUE ON MY BIKE, I SERIOUSLY GOT KICKED OUT, SOMETHING ABOUT THE BICYCLE KITCHEN ONLY BEING FOR CHICKS ON MONDAYS? WHAT KINDA SHIT IS THAT? THANKS A LOT, QUASI-FEMINISTS, THANKS TO YOU GUYS I HAD TO WALK ME AND MY BIKE BACK TO ECHO PARK. I'M ALL FOR CHICKS BEING IN THE BIKE SCENE, BUT THIS SHIT IS TOO MUCH!!
If you tuck your sack back, wear a wig, and complain about your peroid. Then they will definitely let you fix your neon green urban outfitters fixie whip.
we already had this conversation on facebook, so I can just copy-paste my opinions.
Even though 6:30pm-9:30pm is a female/female identified only space, the Bicycle Kitchen opens 12pm-5pm on Mondays, just to silence the bitching, even though it is not open any other hours except 6:30pm-9:30pm Monday through Friday. If you really need to get your bike fixed on a Monday, go between 12pm-5pm, or reply to this thread and one of our awesome (male and female) friends will help you...I really truly feel for my male friends who have been turned away from Monday's Bike Bitchen and feel their pain... I am lost without my working bicycle...but think a female empowered space is more important than this once-weekly inconvenience. Sorry.
It's 3 hours out of the week. To create a safe space to promote women in cycling who can sustain their own hobby, and come out to the rides so we can all be equal and have fun.
I often feel like turning away from the bike scene when i have to rely on men who are often vultures to fix a flat.
In a real life situation, I prefer to have a woman on a ride to help me with a flat, a woman who is more likely to show up if her introduction to the scene is in a female empowered safe space, rather than showing up on a ride with 90% men. Smh
I have a blast learning how to fix my bike myself...... It is great that most of our friends are respectful and not creepy but that is not always the case, and these guys and girls know that too.
[Female against Bike Bitchen but who is mean to other females in the scene], due to the fact that I wouldn't ask you for help on my bike on a ride, I'd really like to be able to know how to do it myself, which I'm more likely to learn in a female driven space. If you want to act like equality exists between genders, please. I'm sorry the men are jealous of female-run spaces. Not a lot of time and energy is devoted to enabling females to do something as empowering and independent as bicycling, and those who bash the little time brave people spend working hard to progress sexism, it's really quite gross.
Unfortunately there are even women on bike rides in the scene known to "snub" new girls in the bike scene, which I know personally has made me feel unwelcome, and I am grateful for positive spaces like bike bitchen that ensure female unity is alive and well. It might be so that treating men and women like shit equally is a feminist action, but it's surely not progressive.
If you count the number of times a woman is turned away over a man in modern society, reality speaks for itself.
I am trying to promote progressive, mature, adult women coming together in a scene that is OBVIOUSLY male dominated. [If you are a mean, high school bully type girl,] You do not represent the bicyclist women I speak for.
I built my entire reputation in this community on being real. Complete strangers judge me. No turning back now. Every woman who never met me before, yet still said hi to me on a ride, and welcomed me like one of their oldest girlfriends, that is who I speak for. Not cliquish bitches. I'm happy to know who I surround myself with.
Please, if you do not openly welcome other girls into the scene, please save me and my desires to puke by staying out of this post.
Is the horse fucking dead yet?
It might be so that treating men and women like shit equally is a feminist action, but it's surely not progressive.
It might be so that treating men and women like shit equally is a feminist action, but it's surely not progressive.
It might be so that treating men and women like shit equally is a feminist action, but it's surely not progressive.
Also, comments like "dump em out" make me want to NOT BE AROUND MEN AND IN FEMALE ONLY SPACES.
"and complain about your period."
Sexist dipshit.
I will always feel cooler than most everyone on MR (those who are cooler than me...you know who you are...) because at least I have the nutsack to say who I am.
I could see your ass on a ride and smoke you out and never know you are a sexist dipshit do not like. That just feels so lame.
feel free to let me know who you are, so we can be real-life humans. we can even keep it secreettsssss.
Sexist dipshit.
brittany responding to a comment by dump em out
03.1.13 - 12:43 pm
When you can look me in the eye on a ride, I'll speak with you online. If you actually say something, I'll throw a fucking party.
You really thought I would engage this?
I find you disgusting and cowardly. You talk shit on me 2 feet from me but have never ONCE looked me in the eye, and never ONCE said a word to my face.
Good luck with all that doucheyness you got going on, JC.
It was pretty smart to block me on Facebook. I might have had to point out your doucheyness more often.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.1.13 - 8:28 pm
I totally appreciate that. The long post sounds a little crazy because it's copy/pasted and edited for relevance from an EXACT conversation we had about this on Facebook not more than 7 days ago. half of these people probably saw it (lol?)
Might as well put it all in, I'm sick of arguing online, believe it or not.
I just had to nip that shit in the bud before someone comes on here and ruins it all.
Right and wrong is pretty inherent. Most ridazz I know are hella intelligent, and can intellectualize the realities of sexism.
To say guys don't experience sexism would be a straight lie, but shit, life is a grey area and we're all doing our best.
You all know that.
Stop being such trolls. Those days are done. RIP.
If it wasn't for the women that are 100% more badass than me, it wouldn't be this way. But, there are girls who have been riding for years, who are fast, who take care of their bikes, who are equally or more skilled than their male cyclist counterparts.... If I did not have these women to look up to, I would not have something to preach about. I can't do most bike repairs by myself, honestly. I go to la cocina. I need nights like Bike Bitchen to help me become as good as these women, because I'm not going anywhere I don't feel safe. That's my right as a woman, and I'm intimidated when I'm surrounded by 10 men and I'm the only girl.
Want to hear me bitch for days about fathers' rights? Make a post. sexism happens. we have 2 choices. talk about it, make a conversation, progress. orrrrrr whine and bitch and make posts on MR and FB and look like ignorant unevolved fucks.
Which one are you!?
brittany responding to a comment by PennyFarthingale
03.2.13 - 4:02 am
Lol...I never talk to you. I think your strange as hell...always lurking. It's not my fault you send people creep emails on fb and they share with me....then I laugh. I have no problems telling people what I think. So save all that.
creep emails?? You mean the ones that say "hey you treat me like shit and I'm not going to pretend like it's not happening.I also won't be participating in this online drama tension talk behind each other's backs thing without ever having an adult conversation because....that's lame. Talk to me in person or stfu"
And then your immature friends continue to act like you...FAKE....Trust I don't care.
You're the grown ass man who bullies a girl you've never said 3 words to because she hurt your feelings online. I want nothing more than nothing to do with you and to be left alone by you!
you're a creep darlin. You know I keep it real.
Again, when you can say something to my face, I might believe you have a nutsack.
It's exactly my point that you never talk to me, but you talk about me.
I never did shit to you but criticize you a couple times on FB and Midnight Ridazz and you're all wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's definitely common knowledge by now you can't take simple criticism. It's not cute. you're nothing more than a coward.
Like really, who the fuck talks shit online to someone you clearly admit you don't talk to in person, and you're clearly trying to start drama and shit.
I will be damned if some entitled, egotistical, elitist MAN trying to assert his dominance is going to bully me on the internet. Come on now. I'd believe you had a HUGE nutsack if you could actually look me in the eye....... but you're just a bully coward asshole, and I've been out of high school for a good few years now :)
All this shit does it make me more happy and proud of the decisions and friends I have made. Like I said in this post, completely strangers judge me because of my MR posts. I've decided not to give a shit because anybody with a little maturity and heart will take it with a grain of salt, and get to know me in person. Even better, plenty of people agree with a lot of the things I say, even if they wish I'd be less aggressive and confrontational. These are the friends I want. I don't particularly want to be friends with all 500 members of the bike community, and clearly the feeling is mutual.
I'm learning to accept the bike scene for what it is - gossipy, a little stab-you-in-the-backish, full of Egos and elitists but hey fuck it. We're doing our best and have fun, no?
I think I'm doing a good job. However certain foundational beliefs I have about right and wrong, I'm not going to set aside so I can be "cool."
It's fucked up some of the shit that goes on around here, how people get talked about, and treated.
I can not sleep at night acting like this shit is OK. I feel like that means I am contributing to it. I believe in karma.
Your karma sucks!!!! Thanks a lot for using your desperation for attention and dominance to take away from a really important post to the bike community.
I am SO GLAD that a MAN BULLYING A GIRL is what this turned into.
It could be a lot worse. I could have ended up friends with these fake ass people. Trust, I am grateful for all of this. Sorry it causes headaches for others.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.2.13 - 4:19 pm
i tend to read these sort of things from you, roll my eyes and move on because I am not one for dramatics (one of the many reasons I moved away from LA was to get away from the drama, so I agree with you on that) BUT i am not going to just sit here and read you call John a coward and fake.
girl, you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. John was one of the first people I rode with, and continues to be nothing but an amazing friend to me and to many others. maybe if you hadn't tried so hard to break into everything you too would be cool with John. but you came into everything all crazy and loud and quite frankly, a bit obnoxious. you go on rides and bring all this baggage with you. i have witnessed it several times but since it was never directed towards me I really didn't care.
even now, i don't really care. cause I'm not around. I don't have to care about this shit. but I'm saying something because you're coming at someone who is by far one of the best people I know. had you been calm and reasonable you could be learning SO MUCH from John and many other of the amazing men who are a part of Midnight Ridazz. MR has dozens upon dozens of amazing people, both men and women and yes, even some in-between folks. but you're burning your bridges and you're burning em fast. you are yet another spark who is going to burn out quick.
you're constantly on here talking about how you're tired of the online shit-talking/trolling yet you're one of the biggest offenders. practice what you preach girl. yeah yeah, you use your real name and are totally open to real-life discourse yet the only times you actually pull people aside is when you want to talk to them about some boy drama. what a fuckin joke. if anyone ever says anything about you within your earshot, then by all means, say something. don't just seethe in it and wait to get online to say something, that shit is ugly and annoying.
norma, i have nothing but respect for you. when I speak about awesome women who I look up to in the scene, I am referring to you.
Unfortunately john bullies me. and i have to take a stand. It would have never happened if he did not decide to do it on this forum. I have a reputation to look out for. I am not fake, it's true, and I believe in standing up for myself.
i've never pulled you aside to talk about boys. i've only ever done that with a girl who gets hit on by EVERY guy AFTER they hit on me, so i felt it was the right thing to do. girl power, share information, love each other. I don't even like the only girl I pulled aside to talk about boys. We have to be talking about the same person, because that's the ONLY person. I look out for her, because goodness knows I have been fucked up, and if weren't for the women who were straight with me, I would not be the woman I am today.
john is not nice to me, and I don't understand his reasoning, and I will not stand by and let it happen.
I hope you are well and know that even though we disagree on a lot of things...I love it. It shows that you are a unique woman with unique opinions, and that's what I pull for.
I wish I could have more mean things to say, but I don't. You're great norma. I wish I had the class and grace you have.
I don't want to start drama at a party or bike ride where EVERYONE is happy and the ONLY people who know about the drama are me and John. I said I believed in collective conscience right? Everyone loves John... I respect that but I will not put up with him bullying me.
Until we sit down and have a conversation about his issues with me, please remembering we have never spoken a full sentence to each other, I will be unable to move from this stance I have. As John himself says, I message friends of his who bully me as well trying to figure out how we can resolve this...I receive no response, and instead receive the same bullying behavior. I tried, I really did.
The MOST important thing to me is 100% of the people who show up on a bike ride are comfortable.
John will tell you, I showed up on MNR in January because I was going through a really hard time, and needed a ride. I was grateful I was in the valley and this ride was happening. I REALLY needed it. He was nothing but cordial to me and said nothing to me on this ride, however I still have resentments from the multiple parties and rides I've been to where he made snide remarks, yet we've still never spoken a sentence. I know I'm crazy, so when I don't understand someone else's crazy, it must be bad.
all i want is him to leave me alone. I will admit I've talked about him in the past, but I am willing to stop if we can come to a cease fire. This is not what I want for the scene I plan to be a part of for a long time.
Can't we all just get along? Also.. I will be posting a cat pic, because it excites me..
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
03.2.13 - 9:14 pm
Talk about crazy. I seriously would not engage her (Brittney) at all because it's pretty obvious she's volatile; a ticking time bomb ready to unload a shit ton of crazy for the unfortunate soul that happens to stare at her the wrong way. Please get yourself a psychiatric evaluation and stop talking shit about good people.
Also, I love how her punctuation is pretty on point, save for when she addresses people, in this case Norma, as she couldnt take the time to capitalize the N in her name. Good going buddy. Show's how much respect you really do have.
"He was nothing but cordial to me and said nothing to me on this ride,"
That quote made me laugh. Just cause someone doesn't say hi to you doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Also, I doubt John bullies anyone. I've personally been on John's bad side. He doesn't do shit. He would simply delete you on Facebook and ignore you. Like the great Sweet Brown once said, "Ain't nobody got time for that!" Just get over it. Maybe it's time you shut down your computer and ride you bike. Maybe you won't feel like the world is out to get you.
palucha66 responding to a comment by brittany
03.3.13 - 12:27 am
you really thought that me being too lazy to use capitalization at different times of the day was a sign of respect? geez.. this is exactly why.....
a new day is upon us. with the sun shining on me, and the caffeine on my lips, it is so clear to me....
we can all go back to pretending reality isn't reality
and just whisper about it in small circles on rides
because i really just don't give a shit anymore
i've lost a lot of respect for a lot of people
and have nothing to prove to anyone.
fuck it. i'm a bitch who deserves all of the shit i get.
it's true, i don't even respect most of you enough to argue with you anymore.
sorry. was just too good a a find to keep to myself. pretty sure bikes are the ONLY thing that is > cats!
thank you all for supporting my decision to take this forum very seriously. being victimized got sooooooooooo old. who is our next victim???? Let's make sure it's a girl. We're on a rollllllllllllll.
oh and leave me the fuck alone you fucking old man creep.
it's totally creepy that you bully me. you're clearly not a child. i'm clearly a girl who is younger than you. CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYY.
AND it's so weird because you think I would understand...I love creepy...and crazy....but you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off my level.
Hollywood gets to everyone's head, it's ok it's not your fault.
never said a word to you, never will, FUCK I LIKE THAT. TOTALLY COOL WITH THIS RELATIONSHIP. WE WERE DOING GREAT, AND THEN YOU GO BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH "HAHAHAHA" DEMEANING, DEGRADING DIPSHIT.
LEAVE ME ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
AREN'T THERE OTHER PEOPLE YOU CAN BULLY ON RIDES????
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 10:20 am
it astonishes me that your life really requires the bullying of me. like, requires. why can you not live without this? i really think you're going to be ok if you shut the fuck up with your degrading bullshit. it's allll gonna be aightttt.
very strange.
and they call me cray.
whateva
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 10:31 am
Ha. It's the Internet. I don't really care about my grammar just like I don't really care about you. Maybe you should have not returned to Midnight Ridazz. Don't forget this isn't the first time this happens. Where is RBI and Debut420?
palucha66 responding to a comment by brittany
03.3.13 - 12:25 pm
if i thought you were stupid, this would be a lot easier.
but anyway, great so you never talked shit on me to other people directly in front of me. it never happened so definitely will never happen again.... right?
kickass, all i wanted, mission accomplished. the end. no need for all of this .... unless it's exactly what I smell which is BS.
like the cats better :(
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 1:35 pm
SO ASIDE FROM ALL OF THIS BULLYING, I AGREE WITH THE OP THERE SHOULDN'T BE A DAY AT THE KITCHEN FOR JUST CHICKS NOW YOU KNOW I AM ALL ABOUT POON ON THE RIDES BUT RESTRICTING A NIGHT FOR JUST CHICKS TO FIX THEIR BIKES IS PUSHING IT A BIT.
That your nuts and cause drama...you got me I sure did say and Im not the only person who thinks that. You actually did accomplish making yourself sound even more crazy than ever. But since you want me to say something to you next time.....I think I will.
DO NOT give the attention nut any attention please!
she straight up reminds me of certain other psychos that have graced us with their unwanted presence and ended up disappearing once they got themselves a dude to fixate on.
which BTW, I wanted to clarify that yes, Brittney, you've never talked to me about boy drama...but I have been there when you have approached other Ladiezz about some dude, making people uncomfortable and further cementing the incredibly correct belief that you're crazy and dramatic.
chill out, smoke a bowl, go for a ride. i'm willing to bet good money that LA is gorgeous right now, stop wasting your time posting straight up LIES about John.
A girl who barely knows me (we've been on.... 2 intimate rides together?) is calling me boy-crazy because some wack ass girl nobody likes actually approached me to talk about dudes. I should have told her to leave me the fuck alone, but what would you have said to me then? WACK. You aren't possibly talking about anymore than one girl with a D name who clearly wants the D.
I really feel like I've accomplished so much. I had a blast finding cat pictures. So this post about feminism is still....me getting bullied and now being told I would stop caring about my bike if I found a BF....Awkward.
I'm so happy that our scene is so progressive. I mean, IDK why you ride a bike, but feeling like I'm in High School Drama (ALL I WANT IS TO BE LEFT ALONE....) and some girl who barely knows me saying I will give up my hobbies for a man, oh man I love dealing with this wack-ass regressive shit! Oh lord.
I don't know how you all sleep at night, honestly.
I'll be sure to keep to myself.
It makes me really sick to my stomach.
I didn't break shit, this was already broken.
We are consistently ok with this behavior. I've consistently made it a point to say keep it the fuck away from me, and I mean it. Remember the last time everyone called me crazy? When I was saying stop bullying someone, sometime before her mother called RB and told him she was suicidal.
It's sick shit I want nothing to do with.
I never told a lie, never will.
I thought it was known that OSnap wasn't always so nice. Can't believe there's a big blow up.
I don't care how I look. Other methods haven't worked.
You want crazy and aggressive? Than step to me OSnap, because nothing I've tried has gotten you to leave me alone. Now I'm telling you.... LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE. YOU'RE A SICK TWISTED FUCK WHO, CLEARLY, IS UNABLE TO LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
There would be no reason to take this all seriously if this wasn't my real life, where I have to worry about being treated like shit at any point in time, by some dude I don't even know.
I will be approaching you the next time I see you. There is nothing I hate more than feeling unsafe in the presence of a man. So we're gonna settle this shit once and for all. I'll go ahead and approach you on the 8th. There is no reason for me to live in fear of being bullyed and be threatened by you.
Although, let the record state, I just want the over inflated asshole to leave me the fuck alone. I knew he wouldn't. I told y'all, he can't live without bullying me, it's REALLY WEIRD. You want to end the drama? Leave me alone. You don't want to...
I hope one day, you marry that girl of yours and you give birth to a daughter, and a man treats her the way you treat me.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
03.3.13 - 5:10 pm
Seriously, lies about John how dare you invalidate what's clearly going on. You can see it in front of your eyes, and you don't fucking know me. You never tried to get to know me, and now you want to act like you know me???
Get real mama.
All I said is he's bullying me. It's true. That MNR I went to was the ONLY instance I have been safe in the presence of OSnap.
He knows it, I know it, we all know it. He even won't stop and admitted it.
What the fuck are we arguing about.
Y'all win, I would leave the scene over this, stop going on big rides that I have to run into you fucking assholes.
Not only are we saying it's OK to bully me, we're saying it's OK to say it isn't happening, and no one is saying to John, "Hey dude...why don't you just leave her alone?"
Like I wanna be around this shit.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
03.3.13 - 5:18 pm
I don't want to be around a bunch of people who say it's OK to treat a complete strangers like shit, and make a woman feel unsafe at any given time in our shared cycling space, at the hands of a man she doesn't even know.
I don't want to be around people who would enable it and continue it to happen.
I don't see anyone saying, "Hey John, why don't you just leave her the fuck alone?"
Lol my cousin decides to check inw ith me on facebook after I make a post about how y'all need to tell John to stop bullying me, or it's quite clear we are not friends and I'm deleting your wack ass.
Asks me what the bike scene is, I show him www.midnightridazz.com
First thing he says.
"What Midnight Ridazz is NOT:
-Mean Spirited
sounds like some rules are being BROKEN"
As it always has been, at the end of the day I'm just happy to know the difference between right and wrong, stand up for what I believe in, don't let grown ass man bullies treat me like shit, and know who my real friends are.
Which I'm really realizing, is like, no one. I can safely delete most of my friends list. Many who are friends with OSnap I'm not even close enough with that'd I'd ask them to help me out, and the ones that I am.
Well, they probably won't.
I'm about to lose 100 facebook friends! Gnarly man.
I first I was like: "When you can look me in the eye on a ride, I'll speak with you online. If you actually say something, I'll throw a fucking party."
Then John was like: "But since you want me to say something to you next time.....I think I will."
But then I was like: "Fucking threaten me again you piece of shit. What the fuck man."
I don't want to be around this shit. I'm 23 fucking years old I have control over my environment and how the people in it treat me.
So do all of you. This is your friend you love so much, great, ask him why he's being such a cocksucker. That's what a real friend would do. This is your scene, your space, your environment, your friends. This is the environment YOU all are creating by not asking your friend OSnap to just leave me the fuck alone.
Everything is so clear. I want nothing to do with it.
No one gave a shit when they almost drove a little fucked up girl to suicide. It's sociopathic and regressive and I am in the cycling scene because I think it is progressive.
Everyone is calling me crazy - do you really believe that? If so, why would you be mean to a crazy girl? Wouldn't it be the right thing to do to leave her alone?
I want to puke.
I love my bicycle. Riding is my life as much as it's your guys'. I am euphoric and elated every time I ditch another bus I used to take because I'm faster than it. I get wet when I see cool mixtes. I gain so much self-esteem every time I make a bicycle repair myself.
Bicyclists are my friends. Rides are my parties. This is what I do.
I'll just select my friends and places I go much more wisely from now on.
Because this is not the environment I want in my energy and I do not this to be what I contribute to the collective conscience. I'm really very disappointed. I truly love this scene and sorry you guys think I'm crazy.
I see it differently. I see that I can at least be consistent, while most people can't get their fucking story straight about what they believe on-and-offline.
John says he has never done shit, then says OK I did it, then says OK well I'm going to threaten you now. I mean he's not even consistent, and y'all are sticking up for him. He's full of shit.
I have to go throw up now.
brittany responding to a comment by alicestrong
03.3.13 - 6:02 pm
Also, if you all can't see the fun in my attempts to take this less seriously by finding funny pictures online and creating memes....
Like you guys have been doing for years.
Get offline.
What are you talking about?
I take shit too seriously and I'm crazy. I take shit less seriously and I'm crazy. Was just trying to have a little fun. Go fuck yourself if you couldn't take a joke.
I wasn't. It seems you have a serious problem with me so and I want to talk to you in person in figure out what did I eactually did to you. Your posting some pretty slanderous things about me. Its even worse that your going on and on about it making it more ridiculous than the next.
I find you manipulative and abusive and I don't speak to men like you.
If you think I will give you the opportunity to manipulate and abuse me for nothing more than your own over-inflated reputation knowing you could really give a shit less about the fact that you have bullied me for no reason for months, and care not one bit about what that means for me, my feelings, and my life, you're as crazy as I.
You don't deserve to sit down with me. I don't want to talk to you now. I gave you a chance, way up there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Read it.
The truth is out and now you want to talk???
LOL.
LMAO
LMFAO
ROFLMAO
Dude.
Your progression of posts is obviously manipulative and willing to say or do anything, depending on what makes you look best, anyone with half a brain will see it.
You slander yourself.
That's why I always say, keep it real, because reality always shines brightest, I promise. I trust this with all my heart.
I'm done with this.
The truth is out, all in front of our eyes. That's one great thing about this internet shit. It doesn't go away. All the posts are still there.
And people will form their own opinions.
This usually works out well for me, so, I'm straight.
I'm losing a lot of friends over this, and you know I really wish I believed it was over.
But I've experienced your character and know you would tell people to their faces that you don't say anything to me, and then do it behind their backs.
No, this has changed my life and my position in the scene and what I want from it. I am happy on my intimate rides where no one goes on the fucking forums and those who do don't give a shit.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go on a bike ride with my friends.
You did this to yourself, and worse I was a victim of you. Fuck if I am going to give a shit about you, and that reputation that makes you feel like you can treat anybody however you want.
I mean it, I'm not contributing to this shit.
Y'all have fun in la-la-land. I'm way more happier in my "crazy" world that isn't full of such bullshit.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 6:53 pm
Just ignore the crazy person. It's obvious she needs medication and there is no getting through to her. There's an old quote that goes something along the lines of "Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who..."
I started by poking fun at this Brittney person but now I genuinely feel like a douchebag. Does anyone know if she's currently under medications? Maybe she hasn't been taking them lately? Do any of you know her parents or any other family that could possibly either provide insight or help her out?
Brittney, I hope you start feeling better. <3
R@WKIT responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 6:57 pm
I'm not trying to bully you. Just concerned. The world isn't out to get/bully you. It could be that you could use an attitude readjustment but then who ever really wants to change? Peace out girl.
R@WKIT responding to a comment by brittany
03.3.13 - 7:07 pm
That OSnap doesn't bully me.
He does, end of story. I don't care how he tries to manipulate and spin it. I don't have to prove it to you guys. He should just stop. I don't see what the big deal is to leave me alone.
That I should post less? Yes I hear this all the time, and have clearly made my decision.
That I should take this less seriously? Accomplished. I have no fucking respect for any of you who participated in this and I'm done going on rides I'm subject to being around a bunch of people where the majority have little heart and no integrity.
I am better than this.
Again, it's cute that a bunch of people who can't maintain a consistent opinion, attitude or behavior, and act like sociopathic bullies that are in grade school want to call me crazy.
I would never EVER act the way a TON of people do on here.
brittany responding to a comment by R@WKIT
03.3.13 - 7:13 pm
See I was going to leave this alone but Im getting messages from people from her sending emails about me. I have really done nothing to her and that is uncalled for. Im one of the nicest people who goes out of his way for people in the community. I may joke around like everyone else at on MR.com but cmon..... is all this really needed? I will admit I laugh about the stories people tell me about her and thats about it.
Until you post your name or a picture, you're just another anonymous online bully.
I would feel a lot better if a man I didn't even know would stop making me feel unsafe in our shared space of Midnight Ridazz and Rides.
I don't want an attitude readjustment. I have clearly stuck by my stance to not be into all the bullshit that goes on around here, and rather keep my "fuck that" attitude.
I think y'all need an attitude readjustment.
I'm done with this.
I'm glad I can bike every day with my friends. Midnight Ridazz is not the cycling scene.
brittany responding to a comment by R@WKIT
03.3.13 - 7:33 pm
I also didn't message anybody I don't feel quite a friendship with. It's not like I went messaging all of your friends, stop lying.
I deleted a bunch of people, because I felt like I couldn't ask them to ask you to stop bullying me, and therefore we must not be very good friends.
A friend would not let a bully bully another friend. These people are your friends, not mine.
And I've decided to tighten my pretend-friend-circle.
A lot.
I really am just so over this.
Not interested.
Not impressed.
Sickened.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.3.13 - 7:38 pm
I don't usually go on MR, but when I do it's because someone is talking out their ass. You know, I never had a problem with you. People I trust warned me saying "that bitch is crazy.". You, seemed nice enough. But your true colors are showing. I ignored the random FB post chalking it up to some young girl drama. This is one of the most chill communities I've been a part of, you seem to create drama in an otherwise peaceful place. You remind me of Brandon, remember Brandon? Probably not. You know why? He made multiple women feel uncomfortable on rides, but you do that to guys. Do you realize how hard it is to make men feel uncomfortable? Well, you do. And you also give off bad juju to the other lady ridazz out there. You have singlehandedly managed to alienate yourself from one of the most inviting places. Chill the fuck out. And don't become an Uncle Richard, Dora or Brandon.
I apologize for my oversight. My records indicate I messaged three.
And they were three, really cool people, who I don't think do much gossiping and are not interested in making this a big deal, only in ending drama I'm sure.
Maybe the rest of the people are messaging/emailing you because I posted here to please ask you to leave me alone, and that's the right thing to do.
See, it took all of this, but hey I got what I wanted, didn't I?
Maybe you'll really leave me alone now because you have this lie to keep up that you didn't bully me.
Shrug.
That's all I wanted.
You could have agreed the first time I asked you.
This is what happened....
"Lol...I never talk to you. I think your strange as hell...always lurking. It's not my fault you send people creep emails on fb and they share with me....then I laugh. I have no problems telling people what I think. So save all that."
What the fuck did you expect to happen with you making snide coy remarks in front of my face all the time, and now here online.
Do you think I have no self-respect?
I let complete stranger men treat me this way?
Yeah, I let you get away with it a LOT of times because we were on really fun parties and rides, and I ain't trying to ruin everybody's time.
You have it coming, and I have no pity for you.
But don't worry, all your friends do.
I'm sorry your best girl friend in the scene doesn't like me.
I've never known what to do about that, and felt unable to fix it from the beginning. Wish I did know what to do. It just seemed clear to me that she didn't like me, and that's her right, and she isn't required to be friends with me....
Anyway, don't have to worry about that now.
I'm alienating myself.
brittany responding to a comment by Tyrito
03.3.13 - 7:56 pm
DUDE. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. and exactly who I was referring to up there.
seriously, Brittany, stop posting about John. I think I have said more negative things to you in this thread than he has but yet he's the bully? that doesn't make any sense.
i cannot stress enough how much you are in the wrong here. two people messaging John about you contacting em is two too many. John is/was willing to approach you calmly and say, "hey, what's the issue?" as you wanted, but you feel threatened by this now. really dude, chill the fuck out.
you say you're done but yet you keep posting. again, practice what you preach. you managed to take this thread from a 60-something posts to 90-something all by yourself with your nonsense.
as for D, she's by far one of the most down-to-earth, chilled-out girls I know. your statement that no one likes her is silly. I once again highly suggest you chill the fuck out and stop wasting your time posting about people who haven't done shit to you.
John is/was willing to approach you calmly and say, "hey, what's the issue?"
John was comfortable with this after he realized some people are going to realize that I'm not full of shit, and he had to save his own ass.
Fuck him, I don't owe him that when he wasn't willing to do it when I wanted to.
I'm glad you have admitted it was the only one girl, and is a really unique situation. I dunno why she approaches me, honestly. I always just tell her the guys are GREAT GUYS and do whatever she wants.
brittany responding to a comment by KeepinEtNorma
03.3.13 - 8:13 pm
I remember once Osnap called me a basic bitch after he scored a hat trick with Cristiano Ronaldo in FIFA 13. I felt really dead on the inside. So, I think I'm going to make a facebook fan page. Call it Midnight Ridazz Against The Bullying of Osnap or MRATBO for short. Let's all take a stand against this bully!!!
I just added TIME WARP to the playlist for Friday's STRAIGHT UP 70's ride...
For the record...Brittany's always been cool with me...why you gotta be such a dick john? jk....it just sucks to see 2 people fjght of which I'm Friends with both.
Meet for a coffee and agree to be civil. ...or not....
so everyones ok with a bicycle co-op discriminating against someone based on their sexual identity and denying services solely because they dont look or dress a certain way?
Get to Bike Kitchen earlier, or just pedal / hop the bus to the Bikerowave, Bike Oven, Bici Libre, Valley Bikery, etc., or one of the numerous bike shops across L.A.
Better yet, throw some tools / tubes / etc. in your bag and have sheldonbrown.com linked on your smartphone so you can handle things independently.
One bike shop having a few hours for women / trans people only once a week is a good thing.
According to the DOT - "In the U.S., 24% of all bicycle trips are made by women and 76% are made by men."
Lets get those numbers to 50-50, then worry about whether female / trans people only nights are important.
JB responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.4.13 - 10:48 am
Newark meant to say "gender identity" not sexual identity. They are two very separate things.
I think it's actually really awesome that they have this going on.
There is an inherent debatable issue with it though, and that is the turning people away part- possibly in a manner that suggests a retaliatory response to an over generalized feeling of male dominance in the world. But I doubt they are turning people away saying "nah nah nah nah boo boo" or "fuck you" unless provoked by someone who refuses to "get it".
What the real point of bitchen seems to be is for acceptance, encouragement, and equalization... to have a night where the generalized male dominance is guaranteed to be stripped out of the equation... to make it easier for those of us who might otherwise feel a little out of place surrounded by so many dudes (not me by the way, I'm perfectly comfortable with it, as long as their T levels aren't raging which doesn't seem to be much of an issue in this group).
I think people should just accept that the BK means well with this event and not take it personally getting turned away- but that is probably easier said than done when inconvenience smacks you in the face and you need to walk a broken bike home.
Bottom line, go bicycle bitchen go! You are awesome. Thanks for making me feel at home in this city.
I'm sorry...I guess?...I can't read everyone's posts (and I hope some are nice) but subjecting myself to this....and "this" is the fact that my standing up for myself brought me more bullying...has brought me to tears and you guys can't possibly expect me to expose myself to this abuse anymore. Name calling is abuse. Google "Is bullying abuse?" Teach yourself something.
I just want to say to anyone who posted here or on Facebook, gossiped with their friends, whispered about me, got excited about the drama, and even went as far as to join in on something you know nothing about, you are what is wrong here. Compared to the way I've been attacked by other people on here and on Facebook, OSnap has not done shit to me. He has never made me cry. I am glad I spoke up because I am exposing the greater flaw here - You're all kind of bullies. I am not the first and I will not be the last to be run out of the scene by a bunch of people who got wet and hard over some online drama, ask your oldest Midnight Ridazz friend.
I still have a hard time believing what a reputation I have around here. I can't believe people talk about me, gossip about me, know who I am. I wouldn't even believe this post was such a big deal if I wasn't hearing a TON of people talk about it, and myself experienced wildfire gossip around this group.
To anyone (hopefully someone) who hears this sort of shit and told their friend, "I kind of feel bad for her," or took the two seconds to logically question why I would ruin my life and reputation in the community that I love, to "lie" as everyone else is saying, thank you. Even if you think I'm crazy, nobody's that crazy. If you ever changed the subject, said "I don't care about all that online drama," or had an intelligent conversation over what is happening. Thank you. I need you, and the next person will too.
I joined the cycling community because I love it. It is supposed to be a community that welcomes anyone, and as long as you're willing to put in a little work, you can be a part of something really cool. How do you even put this into words? How do you tell your friend about the feeling they'll have on a ride blaring music with 500 people? Or do you just tell them to go and find out. I'm very grateful right now that Midnight Ridazz is not the cycling community, because I am here to stay.
Since I was little, I've loved the freaks and geeks of this world. Since I was 13 at RHPS and coffee shops to when I got older at dungeons and goth clubs and I found most of my friends were really nerdy and could teach me about IRC and torrenting and I just could not be happier than in the counter-culture communities I have found.
When I was 19, I met a guy who bought me my first pink Nishiki Mixte. It was a fucking beautiful bike and I loved it (crashed it).
He never rode with me, and thank goodness for it because I explored this community on my own. I moved to Los Angeles from the OC/LB area and my life changed forever. A lot of people remember those times. The MoM ridazz took me in - as they do everyone - with open arms, and although a lot of sexism did go down, and most of those people aren't around to tell you the truth, even when I had a bratty teenager tantrum acting like I was better than everyone else, the ridazz community welcomed me back. It was then you all taught me that this is a family, and we have each other's backs. For the record, your MoM taught me that, and a few others. I'm not sure about "all" of you.
I took a break from riding while I was exploring myself and Los Angeles. This year, I found a black Nishiki Mixte on Craigslist and it became my baby. I went on one of Brad's rides and met a bunch of people that would change my life forever, and an old school MoM rider was even there to welcome me back. It was so much fun, and I'll never forget that.
From there, you know how it goes. I end up gaining 100 Facebook friends in 6 months, am down to go on all the rides, and there's no where else I wanted to be.
I was so grateful for my experience I had as a teenager within the community, because now as a 23 year old woman I could have the wisdom to have gratitude for this community, even when it makes me want to shoot myself with all the gossip, loose morals, and cliquish behavior. Fuck if it isn't worth it....if a little Midnight Ridazz drama isn't worth that feeling behind a sound bike with no hands, or riding next to that person on their first ride ever saying "This is the best day of my life," and I get to tell them, "Your life might change forever." I could go on and on - I will never own a vehicle.
Fuck I know I speak up too much. I know that most of you know when wrong is happening around you and I don't need to stick my neck out. I know the ironies of preaching about getting to know people in person and having real-life relationships - online, lol. I clearly need to get offline.
I don't want to go to goth clubs, or dungeons, or coffee shops, or parties or RHPS, or clubs, or bars. I want to be on my bicycle. I am so grateful for a community that is meant to welcome outsiders, because I need you and I do hope I contribute to it what I get out of it. I'm very grateful for all of the friends who have more wisdom than I, and help me along the way.
I am even more grateful for the ones who accept me for what I am. I'm aggressive, I'm genuine to a fault, I'm too trusting, and I might not always make the right decisions but I'm just trying to do the right thing. I'm a little immature, a lot of a hot head, and am still learning what it means to be an aggressive woman.
I would be a totally different person if it wasn't for all of the people who, once alone with me, say "I know you get a bad rap and you're a really nice person. You shouldn't care so much what people think." Or people who told me they thought I was a bitch, because that's how I am colored on the lips of strangers who have never met me, and now know I am not. Anyone who has taken the time to get to know me knows I'm not dramatic, just stubborn. I don't condone a lot of bad behavior, and feel like not speaking up IS enabling it. I am learning to let things go, and learning what things I can control.
There have been many times, in this community and others, that I have stuck my neck out to right a wrong when no one else would, and of course I was attacked, but changes were made. For this reason, I don't feel the need to justify my actions to anyone. I am proud of the sacrifices I have made.
I sacrificed a lot. I am all smiles and thick skin when a complete stranger says, "Oh, you're THE Brittany on the forums?" and I say yes. Is it worth it? I don't know. I can't describe the feeling when that complete stranger says, "You are totally right," and supports some stance I've made on being a good person, and I get to know that I'm not crazy. Trust me, I wonder sometimes, when 50 people are against me. That person will never post on here, probably doesn't speak up when they hear gossip, but I speak for that person and I'm proud I have the guts to.
No one knows what really happened but me and John. I am sure John is a great person who treats certain people well. I can understand why some of his friends may have a hard time believing I was bullied. I still have a hard time with it. I am still confused as to why he did it. However, it unfortunately happened and I had no idea how to get it to stop. As I've said 5 times, I wouldn't start drama during a happy time, and when the bullying carried onto the internet, I totally snapped. What a dick move to have the nerve to bully me when I am trying to take a stand for feminism, and a grown man is bullying me.
I'm sick to my stomach over how this progressed, and feel I have done more bad for the female community than good, and I am definitely sorry for that. It is my greatest regret in this whole situation.
This has turned into something way bigger than John and I. I am now being bullied worse, now even by people I have never met, and I am hearing all sorts of things from all sorts of people who, really, have no idea what's going on. It happened with Lena and it's happening with me. A handful of people (two people?) know the truth, and you're most likely not one of them.
I am not stupid enough to think people will believe my word against the infamous John "Osnap" Clark.
However, as I said this is bigger than that now.
Bullying is wrong. It is hurtful. Every week I hear about some kid who killed himself over bullying. I don't know about you guys, but I was bullied in grade school and I WISH it got as much attention as it does now. Since it gets so much attention today, I am on that bandwagon. We need to end bullying. If you aren't sure what bullying is, or have never experienced bullying, please do some research and educate yourself. Google "Suicide over bullying" and read pages and pages and pages and pages of articles of countless dead young people. If you still don’t care, good, that's why I'm dipping out. I expected that. You're also a sociopath or seriously numb to the safety of a computer screen and I would suggest doing some serious introspection.
There is a meme going around online about me, and A LOT of bullying being done on the Midnight Ridazz Facebook group, and I'm guessing other places.
I implore you guys to stop this.
I am heartbroken, betrayed, confused, and just trying to make a plan of how I can continue my life on a bicycle after experiencing the kind of bullying I only read about online, right before some teenager kills herself. I don't know why anybody thinks this is OK. I don't know how people are able to join in on this...when really it had nothing to do with them and they know nothing. I can't believe it's happening to me.
Didn't read this whole thing. Bitches be crazy. But, pretty much, no one, no matter what you have in your pants, should EVER be turned away when they genuinely need help fixing their bike IN ORDER TO GET HOME.
EVERYONE should ALWAYS be able to rely on their local bike co-op when they need help with a bike emergency.
If a woman was to be turned away because it was dude's night, she would raise hell. She would go to the media about it. It would become a whole thing.
Feminism is NOT about women getting MORE rights than men because we were oppressed for so long. Get the fuck over it. Feminism is about EQUAL RIGHTS.
A good solution for the Bike Kitchen? Set up ONE stand outside with basic bike fixing tools. When a man rolls up because he has a flat, needs a wrench, whatever, let him use the tools that are OUTSIDE. They will not be able to enter the main space for the ladies are doing whatever they're doing. However, they're still able to get fixed what they need and get the fuck home.
nah she got the jist of it - bitches be crazy & bad memes
brittney ive never met you but do you have any idea how much scrolling i had to do to avoid reading anything you posted? theres no page down on my macbook and i have to do the two finger swipe like a million times, praying i dont have to read one of your self absorbed posts. its like, really annoying.
Brittany, one thing i've learned in the bike scene is that the 'midnight ridazz forums' is not a place to problem solve or get justice. It's mostly trolling, sarcasm, jokes, making fun of etc. You cant really take anything seriously on here and ya might as well join in lol. I used to get all worked up about posts here but i learned it's a waste of time and it gets ya nowhere. My best suggestion is to let the air cool and go about doing what you usually do. The waves will calm and you'll be enjoying another bicycle ride through LA.
AFAIK we were back on topic, then this shit happened again.
Brittany- it sounds like most of your drama unfolded on facebook. Why don't you keep it there?? Not everything people are talking about in this thread is about what happened between you & osnap, which is ridiculous to still be quarreling about anyway- and on top of everything has NOTHING to do with the original topic- take that dirty laundry outta here! There are more important things to be dealt with than some childish he said she said behavior that may or may not have happened. WHO CARES -> not me. Not anyone here.
drama GTFO
(what norma said a million posts ago)
If you wanna talk about womens or LGBT rights, go for it. But keep that osnap mumbo jumbo out. It's over, like you said yourself a million fricken times.
Rosie I agree, but if the person is clearly a huge DB screaming "but I give you the hard dick every day!" to some folks heading up a women's night, I'd say duhhhhh they deserve to walk home.
jennygirl responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.4.13 - 2:12 pm
Yeah, some people, all over the world, are douche bags. Maybe more than some. Definitely more than some.
However, there are solutions. There needs to be a middle ground so no one is left stranded.
In my experience, even the biggest douche bags don't have time to be a douche bag when they are fixing their bike to get home.
You can always tell the DB to go home if he//she does or says something that takes away from the vibe of the night.
BIKE EMERGENCIES should be dealt with like a real emergency. What if AAA had a women's night and wouldn't give roadside assistance to a man on that night? You're shit out of luck. Figure out your own way to get home. What if hospitals had women's night and men would have to wait until morning to deal with their emergencies? Same concept.
Rosiekins responding to a comment by jennygirl
03.4.13 - 2:23 pm
It all comes down to staffing, I'd imagine, as having an extra stand and people to man it is a big hassle.
That said, there aren't really that many "bike emergencies", as Bike Kitchen is close to public transit, and there are always cabs that will take you wherever you want to go.
It's not gender bias that causes people to forget to ride with tools and tubes, etc., and if your bike is really jacked, a bike co-op may not have the parts in stock to fix it.
Basically, worrying about a "bike emergency" that might happen to happen during the 3 hours a week of Bicycle Bitchen, while you happen to be near the Bike Kitchen, is a pretty silly thing to worry about, as what would you do if you had a bike emergency during the 100+ hours a week the Bike Kitchen isn't even open?
JB responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.4.13 - 2:39 pm
Close to public transit + cabs : Use one tool - fix your bike - get home in 10 minutes. Be refused the tool you need - wait for at least 1 bus - get home in 30 minutes. Also, JB, c'mon. We know plenty of people who can't afford cabs + won't ever use a cab. Also, many many cabs have refused me rides when I've been stranded because I have a bike.
Ideally, we'd all ride with every single tool we ever need in case of an emergency. That doesn't happen. I don't even do that. I don't ride with a pump. That's usually the biggest emergency.
Monday's suck. How shitty is it on a Monday, thinking you're finally making it home after work, getting a flat, then dealing with it for hours vs the 10 minutes it would have taken the kitchen to loan you a pump?
Yes, they're closed for much of the week. However, the hours they are open, every one, in every group, every sex, every race, should be able to rely on them for basic needs.
Most men are real dogs. They won't ever change. I believe that radical feminism is necessary. Unfortunately, it's the only way to gain equality - I.M.O.
Brittany, I say this the friendliest way I can. Please calm down. You also need to walk away from bullshit when it's obviously non constructive. I only ever posted teasingly to you on this site as a peer who is trying to find the humor in things. If I ever put you down, then I apologize. It was only harmless heckling. But then again, I am of the male sex, and that should already put me lower on the totem pole. You are overly sensitive and paranoid about what people say about you. Only you know yourself. Spend time with the people you want to be like and less with those that you don't want to become.
I'd like to think that most posters on this site are our community whom we can rely on when it comes to our lives through bikes. I expect some drama, some teasing, but I also hope that people can work through issues that we come across once in a while. It's good this topic got brought up. It's good to voice opinion toward the greater good.
If we can't have a tower skin, however, some of us just need to walk away until we know how to handle it better.
I hope this made sense.
Funzie is the source of all evil.
hail Eris.
Joe Borfo responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.4.13 - 2:56 pm
If you would just learn to relax and not use such absolute terms when you think about or speak to people you would probably avoid a lot of grief in your life. Using words or phrases like "you always" or "everyone hates you" and so forth not only paints an extreme picture for the person you are directing your comments to but also for yourself. You paint a picture of someone based on extreme terms and pretty soon you will only believe extreme things about them. humans are just too complex to be absolutely anything. everyone has DB qualities and everyone has loving qualities. I hope you learn to find the good in people and celebrate it to see more of it.
"humans are just too complex to be absolutely anything"
+1
Culturally these days we try to squeeze everything/everyone into binaries. But, the reality is that life is not binary, we are not binary, our feelings are not binary, sexuality is not binary, gender is not binary. We are alive and constantly changing/adapting to every passing moment.
jennygirl responding to a comment by Roadblock
03.4.13 - 6:10 pm
SO I SAW THE THE KITCHEN IS DOING A NIGHT FOR EVERYBODY TONIGHT
ONE SMALL STEP TOWARDS EQUALITY, I FEEL LIKE A HIPSTER VERSION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I woke up this morning with a bad hangover and my penis was missing again.This happens all the time. It's detachable. This comes in handy a lot of the time. I can leave it home, when I think it's gonna get me in trouble, or I can rent it out, when I don't need it. But now and then I go to a party, get drunk, and the next morning I can't for the life of me
remember what I did with it...
I went on a ride tonight... and there was so much feminism going on, it's so awesome.
But you all don't deserve my wisdom anymore.
while you all were on MNR talking about me,
not a word was spoken about you.
god i wish what i did tonight was the essence of MR.
but it's not.
that's you.
every word you speak, every action you take, if you claim to be a part of the midnight ridazz community, you create what midnight ridazz is.
and you guys have made your choice.
and I am not the sinking ship here.
it's been sinking a long time.
wish I could say I didn't get a little satisfaction out of this, but as Roadblock said, it's all a grey area, and none of us are perfect.
first of all, if you need someone to talk to, you can pm on fb or call me, i think you have my number. i may not be a female, but i have plenty of experience in being "bullied" and most of my ideas are considered "crazy", too. it doesn't help that i don't post on here very often at all (hardly never) and i rarely ever post much on fb, that is very personal. i just resort to bike pics... cuz bike pics make me happy :)
second. this community is pretty cool. yea, it's got speed bumps and hurdles and potholes, like any street in LA - but also, it's got plenty of beautiful. i'm sure if you came about the issue in a much more mature, and respectable approach - more would be happy to help try and decipher the issue at hand, and help you deal with it appropriately. i believe osnap would also be happy to help resolve the issue with you, in a mature manner. not everyone reacts the same way, and discusses matters the same. how you approach people, and the matters at hand - is a crucial step of communication - and this won't be the only time in life you're going to deal with having to learn how other people communicate, to find a resolution to whatever issue you may be having. life is a bumpy road.
so... *sigh*... you have a very smart mind, and quite a way with words. but no one, after that many posts above, and especially in the length of ranting... will really take you seriously, or want to help you. think about it that way. we want to help you... but if you continue ranting in that fashion, no one is going to want to help you. or even want to understand the point you are trying to make, or the cause... or whatever the issues are. it's just.... a lof ranting, really. and... ain't nobody got time for that!
remember, no one is really normal. we are a little crazy. and riding your bicycle is fun, healthy, and a great way to connect with others. but bashing others on a public forum, kinda silly. especially a good bicycle forum. and c'mon, you know this already. it's one thing to be a good, aggressive female, and stand your ground. but it's another thing to go on such a looooong, confusing, and really silly, never-ending rant. i'm surprised i read it all. only because, really - i have not much better to do with my time at the moment, cuz i'm a little disabled and out of work.
again, if you need help - pm me - or approach others nicely, and i'm sure they'll be happy to help you. now, take a deep breath - smile! - ride your bike. don't post anything else all crazy. and be nice to others. mmmkayyy :)
Redline responding to a comment by brittany
03.5.13 - 1:25 am
The only thing that was spoken on MNR is how ridiculous the forums are and how people will move on with their lives with or without you. I hope one day you'll understand the world isn't out to get you. As for me, I don't really care about you, your bike, where you come from, and your feminism. All I care about is my bike and where I'm headed. Maybe we can be friends one day and ride side by side but as for now bridges have been burned and maybe we all just need some time off the forums and go to Barflies 2nd Friday ride. Maybe we can all start a new future without killing each other for bullshit on the internet.
says the dude who has the meme with his face on it.
who actually walks the talk around here?
I don't want to be friends with people who have treated me this way. who would treat ANYONE this way.
I have made that clear.
i'm super stoked you all saw textbook bullying as a "joke."
i have never wanted nothing more than to know who i surround myself with.
And I think from my longgg ass post up there, it's clear I thought I surrounded myself with better people.
I exposed your truth.
And this is ridiculous.
i'm not going to 2nd friday not because I am a victim, but because that's not my life anymore.
this is not my life anymore. i don't support midnight ridazz.
and i had no idea I was being painted as a victim.
especially with countless people painting someone else as the victim, and me as the bully.
who can keep their story straight?
again, you guys made your decision, and this is who you are. a bunch of bullies with no care for anyone, no care for how you portray this community, and I will continue to work to prove that this community is not about this bullshit.
it's about riding your bicycle.
again, no one talked about you
no one knew what MR was.
just us and the road.
what are forums?
and i wish I could tell you how I was treated differently AS A WOMAN tonight than on any other night.
but, i can't.
because i'd just be attacked by trolls.
brittany responding to a comment by palucha66
03.5.13 - 2:14 am
OSnap would not resolve the issue with me. There was never any issue to begin with?!?! We never spoke, I said a couple of things to him online about a no-alcohol ride being a bad idea after he flipped out trying to end MNR....That was our only communication before he began bullying me.
He is the issue.
Upon more retrospection, because I really did look at "Did OSnap bully me? Am I being unfair? Am I really defaming somebody unjustly?"
I realized I said things to OSnap after he said these things to me at rides and parties I'm "lying" about - TO HIS FACE - because well that's just what I do. Not really my style to keep quiet, is it? It wasn't hard, he was right in front of my face. All I wanted is to get him to look me in the eye and say some shit - never happened. I was a ghost to that degrading person, so much so I forgot I even ever stood up for myself to his face. Damn if I get prouder of myself every day.
You better believe I looked him in the eye when I did it.
He still didn't have the nuts to acknowledge me. Acknowledge the shit he said 5 seconds earlier.
He blocked me on Facebook months ago, and we'll all form our opinions why.
I don't think anyone really cares about my opinion....but it's so hard not to point out the truth...become some people around here took Logic 101....If we never spoke.....why? Intimidated? Can't finish a fight you started? Can only throw blows but can't take em...I never messaged him, chatted him, tagged him. Pretty sure all I did was say a no-alcohol right may be a bad idea and I said that in the interest of MNR - you're welcome dude, you decided against it.. So he blocks me?? Dude, grow some balls.
Y'all are dead wrong, and I only responded to Redline because we were friends at one point, and I respect(ed) him.
I am nice to others.
I spoke out about not being treated nicely.
Look at what happened.
And this IS Midnight Ridazz.
I'M SO GLAD I LEARNED ALL OF THIS.
I decided earlier this year that I would commit myself to bicycling, and I am sick that this is where I started, and am glad I will end up somewhere else...
again, I am ashamed to have ever associated myself with you guys.
I do not condone this shit.
I hope you all realize, I would have never said so much true shit about this person, if you all didn't blow all this up. He would have never had all this terrible truth spoken about him!!! He could have just shut uppppppppppp like I asked 100 posts ago.
But, I just can't tell a lie! And if you think I'm going to lie for that asshole...................to be friends with a bunch of people willing to bully and perpetuate a lie.......................dead wrong.
I want nothing to do with this community that bows down to that fool. YOU ARE THE REASON HE FEELS IT'S OK TO TREAT PEOPLE ANY WAY HE PLEASES. YOU ENABLE IT. I could give a FUCK about OSNAP right now. He didn't do shit to me - you all did!
AND HE WILL TREAT THE NEXT PERSON THIS WAY WHO SAYS ANYTHING HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH BECAUSE *YOU ALL* SAID IT WAS OKAY
Why the fuck would I start lying now?
Y'all are crazy.
Ya, I am saying a lot of shit about him now, and I WOULD be the bully, if it wasn't for the plain truth that this is all a result of him treating me like shit, and I believe in karma, and I believe he had this coming.
brittany responding to a comment by Redline
03.5.13 - 2:47 am
you clearly misconstrued what i said. so yes, you did miss it. re-read what i wrote.
i am also not your "sweetie". i'm above your age. and i'm just trying to help you see your own actions in a different light. cuz your light is burning out, quick.
you really are wanting to burn every person here, who's trying to help you, aren't you? vengeance will get you nowhere. if that's the route you continually want to take... your future will not be very bright. and i truly wish you well, and hope you get some help. i will not be reading this thread any further.
Redline responding to a comment by brittany
03.5.13 - 3:00 am
i believe osnap would also be happy to help resolve the issue with you, in a mature manner.
this is what i read.
bullying me in the first place was hella immature.
y'all give him way too much credit!
oh geez
you know I respond to these posts because I think people really truly believe it in their heart. and i can't blame them for being ignorant. they're just going off of what they are told!
i was SOOOOO IGNORANT during the Lena case and am ashamed of my behavior now! It happens!!
You can't blame someone for being ignorant if they don't have the evidence, and have to go off what they are told.
If i give the evidence, and they are told all sides of the story, they are free to make logical decisions....
THEN I can blame them for being ignorant.
And since I'm burning all these bridges.
I want to make sure I'm doing it for the right reasons.
i'm burning a lot of bridges, and reconstructing my life.
It's a "JOKE" to you all (sick) but it's a big deal to me. It is my future, my life, my friends, how I decide to contribute to the cycling community.
but it's all just a joke, right?
I've deleted 30 friends on facebook, and more are coming.
But.... it's just a joke.
brittany responding to a comment by Redline
03.5.13 - 3:41 am
I will never forgive anyone here for calling me a bully, and saying that me calling "OSnap" a bully was ignorant, when it's just true irony.
You don't know what the fuck he said in front of my face. You don't know if it was bullying. You will never know, because your "friend" will never tell you the truth. YOU ARE IGNORANT.
Any friend of mine will be able to come up to me and hear the story front-to-back and really, it's nothing close to as dramatic as this has become. As I said, John and i only saw each other about 4 times, one time was MNR and he was nice, so he bullied me about 2-3 times. 2-3 times too many, if you ask me. I guess #4 was right here.
I sincerely hope you all grow up one day, have daughters and sons, and they come home to you crying about bullying.
Especially Borfo, because WTF dude? You're too old for this shit. You have children, do you not wonder what it would be like?
I just hope when they come home telling you some kid was mean to them in school, you know you treated people that way as a grown ass man and father, to people 20 years younger than you, and seriously question if karma is real.
[To all of you,] I hope your little girl gets bullied in school and can't do shit about it because she can't beat that person's ass.
And trust me, if you have a daughter, and a man who she has never associated with is treating her like shit, you'll want to put a shotgun in his mouth.
It's not a fucking joke.
I hope, after they come home from school and tell you they were being bullied, you tell them to go stick up for themselves, and they come home and tell you now THEY are being called a bully, and attacked even worse.
This is real life, folks. Like it or not.
You all will see each other in real life on Second Friday, and get to know what kind of scumbags you are, and what you have turned this scene into.
A joke that plays with people's lives.
Yeah, I'm pissed. I stuck my neck out for this scene on multiple occasions, and for what?
You are not helping me until you say "John, you need to be honest about if you ever said anything to Brittany, and then acted like she never existed 5 seconds later, at least to me because I'm sticking my neck (and INTEGRITY) out for you."
You are not helping me until you become the kind of person who stands up against bullying, because it's wrong.
You are not helping me until you ask every person with the "OMG BRITTANY IS BULLYING OSNAP" Palucha meme to take that shit down.
Until you personally message me on Facebook and say that you're really sorry you believed all of the lies that are going around - that I'm bullying OSNAP and I'm making up lies about him - you are not helping me.
Until you have an adult conversation with OSnap and say dude.... All this shit isn't cool. I don't think she's doing this for no reason... So you bullied her and that's over and done with and there's nothing we can do about it now, but why don't you take the high road and tell her you're really sorry if you ever made her feel UNCOMFORTABLE, INTIMIDATED, BULLIED, AND LIKE SHIT on rides she expects to feel SAFE ON because she expected A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
I mean fuck, he did it on Brad's ride, to Brad's face. He does not give a fuck.
Seriously, I'm the self-absorbed one here? You assholes think you're HELPING ME.
Go fuck yourself.
Anyone who thinks the way Redline is, that you're trying to HELP me by continuing the lie that I AM A BULLY for SPEAKING UP AGAINST BULLYING
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
BRIDGE BURNT.
brittany responding to a comment by Redline
03.5.13 - 4:10 am
The ironic part about this is that I didn't create that meme.
Also, what did Osnap say? I'm wondering. How did he rustle your jimmies?
Last but not least, If you don't want to cooperate that's YOUR problem. I'll bully the shit out of you by not talking to you, not giving you a beer, not shaking your hand or simply talking to the people you don't like.
Im at honestly speechless at his point that this has gotten to this point..... it's time to clear the air.
First....
I stopped MNR because people started to take it for granted and cause problems. Your No alcohol comment had nothing to do with it. Even without store stops (witch I hardly ever do) people stopped following the simple road rules and it turned into a mobb of assholes embarrassing cyclist. I don't want to lead something like that and I wasn't going to watch it go down like that. I stopped it. In doing so people realized they lost something fun and come out with a different attitude. In fact in made the ride better than what it was. I also got a promotion and I get super busy...super busy. It became a lot to try to do both and take care of my personal life. No to mention...I'm getting married in August. Fiance is cool and understands everything but sometimes I would like to stay home on Monday's.
2nd.......
In the last 4 years I have met hundreds of new people. I try to introduce myself to all the new people that come out to MNR because 9/10 times its peoples first ever bike ride. If anyone ever comes out you will watch me walk around and try to say hello or talk to as many different groups of people before the night is over. I do this at every single party, ride...pretty much every cycling event. Not to mention I'm always with someone. It's rare you will see me standing by myself or not engaged in something. So how is it possible for me to do anything and nobody see it?
3rd......
You are right we did talk about this last night. It's very hard to believe a guy who trys to help as many people as possible would do something like that. I actually thought about saying "You know what I'm just going to let this go and just say I'm sorry even though I did nothing wrong"....(witch never ever happens) In fact that's part of the reason I'm on. I quickly got over that seeing you still going on about this. I will never say Im sorry at this point because again....I didn't do anything.
4th....
I made that picture of Palucha to ease the situation. Because that's what people do on MR..or did... In fact it turned into a bunch of Chuck Norris type jokes taking stabs at me. Hell even my fiance got involved in the mix. Palucha said something I thought was funny. It doesn't have your name...it doesn't have your picture (witch by the way whoever made that one is really messed up). I don't feel sorry for making it and I see zero harm in it.
5th.....
I sure as hell blocked you on FB. . It was so long ago I don't remember why but I'm sure at the time I had a good enough reason. I have only ever blocked 4 years in 8 years on FB so that should tell you something.
Last thing.....
I may be arrogant (blame my parents) and have a dark sense of humor but I'm no bully. Unless I tell you get the death sentence ("I will never talk to you again ") I'm a really nice guy who bends over backwards to make people enjoy bike rides. So many people have told me to let this go and just not say anything and I have. Im still keeping it pretty cool at this point. You really need to keep my name out of your mouth and stop going on with this. So please stop talking about me.
I wrote a hugeeee reply detailing the situation and giving more evidence, and it fucked up (Keeps doing that....weird) but shrugggg. Not writing it again.
Again, it's not like you all deserve this shit anyway.
If you really want to know the truth, you're welcome to message me on Facebook and ask. I'll tell you exactly what happened.
If anyone can't see what a manipulative, full of shit person you are, still, man they're already blind, and I ain't nothing I am going to say is going to show them the light.
Enjoy OSnap's reign of tyranny.
Enjoy anytime he receives criticism or opposition, him replying with bullying and abuse.
OH Ya I'm not replying to you guys, John and Rosie. I mean these aren't even logical statements.
Rosie I could write a book on my issues with you. Be nice to girls on rides, god damnit. Say hi to them. Look at them. You're KNOWN as a girl who is MEAN to new girls in the scene. NOBODY WANTS THAT. That's great that you for some reason think you have a dick under that skirt of yours, but most of us girls want girls to welcome each other into the scene, make them feel comfortable, not make them feel like they're in High School dealing with some popular mean girl.
BE NICE, BITCH.
STARTING NOW.
I promise you, Rosie is running females out of your scene.
Phew sorry might have been my last chance for that one! Had to be done!
I just wanted to say....
"It's only when you've lost everything you're free to do anything."
RIGHT?
Now I don't have to worry about people calling me DRAMA or losing friends, or having a bunch of issues on rides.
You fucking FREED me. I can do whatever I want now!
I can start a ride. What am I doing to be afraid of. Rejection? LOL
I can go hang with whatever cyclists I want and not keep trying to rope them into a scene they don't want to be a part of. I don't have to be judged for being a part of this.
And I got to tell Rosie what I think of her!!!!
W00t.
I'm fucking free.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
Thanks dudes.
See y'all at the Crash Race. No way in hell I'm missing that route! <3
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.5.13 - 12:12 pm
at this point i'm just helping you manipulate people.
All of the evidence is there, except for a detailed account of the times you have bullied me.
I wrote it, but like I said, it fucked up. I believe in synchronicity and shit you know, maybe that's how it was meant to be.
Anyone who cares can message me and ask.
You know how many people are going to do that?
Zero.
brittany responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
03.5.13 - 12:14 pm
and don't you fucking start talking about the squirrel scouts like that means you're nice to girls. You're nice to THOSE girls, the ones in your clique.
You're a bitch to anyone else.
THOSE girls are nice to girls.
brittany responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.5.13 - 12:17 pm
WOW, THIS THREAD HAS GONE ON FOREVER, 200 REPLIES IN 4 DAYS? WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED SO FAR? BULLYING IS BAD AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KEEP A SPARE SET OF TOOLS, IN CASE FEMI-NAZIS KEEP YOU FROM HITTING UP THE KITCHEN FOR A QUICK FIX.
"Enjoy OSnap's reign of tyranny.
Enjoy anytime he receives criticism or opposition, him replying with bullying and abuse."
I just cackled at my desk and people in my office turned to see what was so funny. I should really be working...
Has anyone actually read all of Brittany's posts? Them shits are long ass fuck.
Also, Brad wants to see all of you at Friday's ride, but save the drama for you momma. Shit I hope I didn't piss off the MoMz. You know I love you MoMz.
Listen, chick, it's clear you have some for real mental issues you should probably check out before you can't control it. When you're fighting against an entire community, maybe it's not the community that has the problem. Don't forget, when you point one finger, you have 3 pointing right back at you.
Now, I've sat back and read the shit you have to say about this community. You've come up with lies in your little mind. You're trying to spread lies about my family. Enough is enough. You've burned every bridge you possibly can. No one wants to deal with you. No one wants to see you. The one person who said you can get help from them, you attack them.
Seriously, I don't like you. That much is true. I didn't like you from the moment you spoke in front of me because I saw how crazy you are. However, just because I don't like you doesn't mean I want to see you crash and burn. Not crash and burn in this community (which you already have) but crash and burn in your life. You have issues. Get help before you end up hurting yourself or someone else.
Here is a link for some free counseling in LA. You should probably check it out.
Brad is an amazing person and I know we all love and respect him.
But when I'm not there on Friday, because I don't want to be around a bunch of people who treat me like shit, who make this what this community is, you can look Brad in the eye and be really fucking proud of what you've done to the scene, the scene he puts so much work into for all of us.
I know he doesn't expect me to go if I don't want to, and it is no reflection on my feelings about his wonderful, selfless, good-hearted and good-natured friendship. I am not burning bridges with my FRIENDS. Don't be silly.
Second Friday is Midnight Ridazz.
You are Midnight Ridazz.
Don't make me repeat myself.
I should be working too. :/
Man in my big long post I didn't get to post I mentioned DIRTY HIPSTER I didn't get to be like....I know the different between a bully and a troll, bebe. You keep this forum alive love. <3
Wish I knew who you were.
Anyway, I'm not going far.
You'll see.
And none of you assholes are welcome on my rides. I gotta make some now, since I can't go on any!!! LOL. Who knows, I might move far away from all this drama instead.
I won't post them here. But, just know it when you see it. Kind of sad I wouldn't post them here. :(
The ride last night? Ya, it was my first one leading.
I'M FREE.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEE
I think I'll do it next week.
See, you guys give yourselves too much credit. I'm just avoiding work too. :/
I see where this is going. Brittany is mad because she isn't part of the Squirrel Scouts and she tried to seek help from Osnap but he ignored her so now her jimmies are super rustled and she be super mad.
Also she won't be going on Barleyeyeeyeyeyeyeyyyyyyyyyeeeee's second friday ride because the world is against her. Pffft pussy. I was once in your shoes years ago when half of MR didn't like me.
fuck you, and the ugly ass bike you rode in on. Lets get some real fucking bullying started right here. One thing that pisses me off like no other are people who fucking spew bullshit out their ass with a self important aura of douchebaggery and victimization. I dealt with that shit for 2 years coming from a psuedo intelligent possibly assburgers syndrome bitch who couldn't create a real fucking relationship with her own fucking dog. You know what? I didn't like you, since the first time you felt the need to assert yourself on me. Why was I nice to you? Because I pitied your pathetic life. You were obviously an unhappy person dealing with a lot of pain and rejecting you again would do nothing to help you fix your lot. But what have you done? you burned every bridge, you insult and attack my best friends and whats worse you lie about them and try to concoct a an illogical, irrational and fallacy ridden narrative about your interactions with them. Have you thought that MAYBE just fucking MAYBE Osnap blocked your ass so he didn't have to deal with your fuckery anymore, ignore you instead of yelling you he didn't like you and didn't want any type of interaction? Which one is nicer? You know what? People are allowed to talk shit behind your back, it happens to everyone, get off your high horse, or tallbike, or massive stick in your ass and realize that you are not entitled to friendship with anyone.
All the happiness and friendship crap you want is blocked by your constant need to "Assert your rights and protect yourself" all that does is prevent you from getting close to anyone. I know I sure as hell don't want to be friends with anyone who could snap on me for the wrong drunken comment or making a joke you don't like. I think you need to take Rosie's advice, and get some counselling. Further more I don't think you should be drinking because you're an alcoholic and it's fucking up your brain chemistry. Let me be the first to say, do not fucking approach me in person, I will not be kind.
Oh and fuck you for saying shit about Borfo. How dare you talk about someones child and wish any damage on them. Get raped by wild dogs.
1. so, it's a girl/transgenered, etc. night - cool, rad - go women!
2. maybe kicking someone out is not cool, tho. maybe helping them briefly on what they need is a good thing. what if that dude was riding home from work and gor a flat and had three more miles to go..... why can't the ladies help him and then send him on his way?
i used to do a ride that happened once a week - SIRENS - all ladies fast ride. i got a lot of gruff for having it be all ladies. but, when a dude wanted to ride with us, i let him. why? cause we can only go as fast as our fastest racer, so why not add in a guy, see what he's got - maybe we will hustle faster, turned out, he was the same speed, so we added more miles - whatever, it didn't kill the ride - it made it more interesting.
i made SIRENS because me and a couple of ladies were a little nervous bout riding with the big guys, then we did a wolfpack and the confidence we had in each other made it easier to take on that Monday night.
in the end, you can say it's a woman thing/ it's a man thing - but really, we're all human. pick your fights accordingly.
why couldn't you have helped that dude out? what if that bicycle place has an all GUYS night and some girl gets a flat and they turn her away????
where's the humanity.
and Brittany - take a break from the forums. stay away for awhile. join in on the rides and bike areas that you enjoy and find your tribe within this bike community. leave the drama to someone else. cause life's too short, girl..... get over it and have some fun. let your hair down and get laid. go make out with a bunch of people and flamethrow a car. go skinny dipping in your neighbors pool and pull your socks up.
smile when you pee.
live life instead of trying to control everyone else's. i'm not bullying you. i just want you to know that all this energy you have put in on here could be used in such a better way to not only benefit you, but others who are around you, and i mean those who are physically around you, not just on the forums.
take a break and do something more awesomer...... like be the change you so desperately write for in these forums.
NO....tyrone is not on payroll...but he's doing a hell of a good job spreading the gospel on FRIDAY'S MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ 2ND FRIDAY RIDE "STRAIGHT UP 70'S....THE ONLY RIDE IN THE WORLD THAT WILL HAVE COPACOBANA AND JUDAS PRIEST ON THE SAME PLAYLIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OLYMPIC BLVD. BETWEEN CRENSHAW AND HIGHLAND (ACROSS FROM L.A. HIGH)
I think it's time for me to hijack this thread. We need people for my sidehack rally, I think we're short on monkeys. The monkey is the person on the sidecar of the bike. People are building hacks but we're not sure if we will have enough monkeys. So, check the ride calendar and see if you can make it. Nothing cures the blues like a good run on a BMX sidehack, it's cheaper than therapy and no one can say nasty things because you're too busy hanging on and having a good time to act like a 12 year old mentally because you're being one on the outside.
More bike riding, less soap opera.
I find it sad that people seem more interested in perpetuating negativity and bickering than all the awesome positive things that come from this "scene".
rev106 responding to a comment by brittany
03.5.13 - 10:00 pm
The bike kitchen isnt OBLIGATED to do shit for anyone.
If its girls night and you are dude and you have a flat.... You're fucked! So what!? Take a bus or carry a patch kit. If your bike completely disintegrated and the Bike Kitchen was THE ONLY PLACE LEFT ON EARTH.... But its girls night that night and you are a man? Fuck you walk home or sleep in an alley till girls night is done.
I would like to think my look from that day was more Punky Meadows
if I could grow my hair like that I would rock it every day.
Unfortunately it was mid 80's when I discovered "White Hot" I rocked that album right into the 90's on my walkman. The best 80's bands where 70's bands that where way ahead of there time, Sweet, Angel
Let see if you can create a logo for the ride akin to angel or the CSUN sign art piece on Zelzah and Nordohoff.
I am interested in hearing what you consider to be the best songs to play from that era on a ride.
the only reason i was ever so persistently nice to you was because I heard about this girl, and felt bad for you...out of all of the crazy situations I've been in, I couldn't imagine what it was like to go through what you went through...or else I would have just written you off as another narcissist I want nothing to do with. I thought this was the reason you act the way you do.
i would have written this in a private message, but i couldn't.
i would fuck your world up if i wasn't better than that.
you'll heal, one day.
we all do.
brittany responding to a comment by Avner
03.6.13 - 11:51 pm
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH TEENAGERS.
...but age is just a number! And who really cares about your GPA in the real world? Who is DIRTY HIPSTER?? If I had sex with him tell me I'll just kill myself now...:)
Well I came to stick up for the Bike Kitchen and say some feminist shit about how ANY OTHER TIME you go into ANY bike shop or to ANYthing bicycle-related at all and be surrounded by men and you're seriously fucking complaining about a couple hours one night a week where your cis-dick ain't welcome? You poor, poor oppressed he-man!!! Come here and let me bathe in your beardtears!
But then I got lost and I have no idea what happened or how I got here.
Perhaps it would be totes bitchen if Mondays Altered policy to form a team to assist helpless males in distress who happened by, only if they dropped a hanky or something. Geezo, be a gentleman about it already girls.
At least one can be grateful if one's genital are pus-free, consider the skeeter.
70's production values are good. Compare the theme songs of the Rockford Files vs Friends,
Lalo Schifrin with a 17 peiece orchestra including a theremin vs synthy dudes with a midi.
I might have to take up smoking crack to be able to stay awake for the ride tonight. Barleye, I might become a crackhead just to attend your ride. Goddamn I need sleep!
Perhaps it would be totes bitchen if Mondays Altered policy to form a team to assist helpless males in distress who happened by, only if they dropped a hanky or something. Geezo, be a gentleman about it already girls.
Righteous Man say, "Nevermind that I can go ANYWHERE else to get my bike issues resolved! You MUST include my POOR OPPRESSED CIS-PEEN even though you don't want it there! Oh, what? You want a couple hours a week where women can assuredly have a safe space without feeling patronized, objectified, or spoken-down to? IT IS MISANDRY."
Seriously, fuck the fuck off with this bullshit. The privilege is just dripping from your dicks!
Thank you, Roadblock, for "getting it." It's WOMEN ONLY time, go the fuck home! or to ANY OTHER SHOP. You self-entitled babies.
I think more places should be women only. Such as holding government office, board of directors for large corporations and banks, and of course bike racing.
dudes should just stay in the garage where they belong. Rotate my tires, whiskey dick!
FUCK BITCHES WHO HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
FUCK BITCHES WHO HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
FUCK BITCHES WHO HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
FUCK BITCHES WHO HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
FUCK BITCHES WHO HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
mean entitled bitch.
I've heard the way you treat women, not just me, and you wouldn't do it if your popularity didn't give you some false sense of entitlement. It's High School bullshit. You and OSnap should start a "Midnight Ridazz made my Ego so big I floated away to La-La-Land" support group..
You're not stupid, so stop acting like it. It's the WORST thing you could do for women - pretend to be a dumb bitch when you're not.
Shut the fuck up, you do not speak for women. I will make sure of it.
Obviously this was an important topic and got hijacked.
If you all really care enough, you'll have the fucking brains to make a separate post, and have a real conversation. I wouldn't post there, I can state my opinions here.
This is still important to me. I am still a bicyclist. Retreating and backing down to you guys would be a terrible act for women....Can't do it! Integrity too large.
But as we've witnessed, most "real conversations" around here turn into making fun of others and troll games so....... Good luck!
This is your fucked up game to play now.
If I EVER experience ANY bullying TO MY FACE, ON THE STREET, OR AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE, I will immediately mace you in the fucking face, put my U-Lock to your chin and call the fucking cops and tell them the damn truth.
I have plenty of evidence here to fear for my safety.
I will be going on small, intimate, appropriate rides for me to go on where I assume I will be safe and not see forum dickheads, and that means if I hear any under-the-breath comments on future rides, much like I experienced with OSnap, I will not be making the same mistake. Clearly seeking justice does not happen. I should have maced him in the face and I have learned my lesson. I should have hurt him as much as he hurt me. I should have sought real justice. None of this would have happened if I was not a woman, because OSnap would have had to fear me kicking his ass. I'm not sure how to right this wrong other than physically intimidating you men right back. We WILL be equal. I will not be a victim. I will not allow grown men to abuse a woman.
Trust me, Rosie didn't say shit to my face when she met me, and if she ever does, I won't need a mace or a U-lock to shut her up.
You guys are fucking cowards.
Capiche?
brittany responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.8.13 - 1:37 pm
Nah...that would take my ego down a couple of notches (we can't have that). Also Mace has no affect on me,,,I have that super ego special power that stops mace in its tracks. Bear mace..pffffttt...nothing...tazers....nothing.... I'm like the MR version of Wesley Snipes (just light skinned)
If I EVER experience ANY bullying TO MY FACE, ON THE STREET, OR AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE, I will immediately mace you in the fucking face, put my U-Lock to your chin and call the fucking cops and tell them the damn truth"
I just really read all of this.
So if Im chilling like always....saying and doing nothing... your going to Mace me then U-lock me to the dome?
I first I was like: "When you can look me in the eye on a ride, I'll speak with you online. If you actually say something, I'll throw a fucking party."
Then John was like: "But since you want me to say something to you next time.....I think I will."
But then I was like: "Fucking threaten me again you piece of shit. What the fuck man."
But NOW I'm like: "If I EVER experience ANY bullying TO MY FACE, ON THE STREET, OR AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE, I will immediately mace you in the fucking face, put my U-Lock to your chin"
"Obviously this was an important topic and got hijacked.
If you all really care enough, you'll have the fucking brains to make a separate post, and have a real conversation"
,says the girl who turned it into a thread where she bashed John for what? saying she was crazy and then ignoring her? again, what a fuckin joke.
but what really gets me is this,
"If I EVER experience ANY bullying TO MY FACE, ON THE STREET, OR AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE, I will immediately mace you in the fucking face, put my U-Lock to your chin and call the fucking cops and tell them the damn truth.
I have plenty of evidence here to fear for my safety."
and this,
"if I hear any under-the-breath comments on future rides, much like I experienced with OSnap, I will not be making the same mistake. Clearly seeking justice does not happen. I should have maced him in the face"
sigh.
i really wish i hadn't come back on here. I should have stuck to my Vegas thread.
but alas, i am here and fuckin raging and not in a good way.
Brittany, you're fucking up. bad. i shouldn't be paying attention to you because "it's just the internet" but you're so crazy that i actually fear that if any of my friends so much as laugh aroud you you'll mace them. MY friends (including but not limited to John, Tyrone, Hamilton, and really, any dude I have ever written a bike with) would NEVER physically attack a girl. cause trust me, I would have smacked em the moment they did.
someone making a "under-the-breath comment" is NOT bullying. try looking up the 10-year-old kid who got beaten to death by his classmates...THAT'S bullying. bullying is when someone goes out of their way to abuse you. before this thread and the memes, no one did shit to you that was in any way, shape or form bullying. you brought that shit on yourself. and it wasn't even John doing it. (btw, I created the Ryan Gosling meme, oh how I laughed...i was actually poking fun at John, in case you missed it) John made a comment about how crazy you are and then ignored you. boo fuckin hoo. NOT bullying.
anyway, my point is, stay the fuck away from my friends. my friends are not the men you think they are. they are an extension of my biological brothers. when i was in LA I could always count on Ham or Tyrone to help me with fixing my bike, I could always count on John to give me a place to crash, I could always count on July, Aktive, Redwine, etc. fuckin etc. to be there for me . and I will do the same for them against crazy bitches. do NOT go anywhere near them. because again, they will laugh (probably at each other) and then what? your crazy ass is going to mace em? get the fuck out of here with that.
let this thread die or at least take it back to it's orginal point.
which, btw, I actually agree with Rosie. feminism is about being equal. meaning that we share EVERYTHING. from wages to fuckin bike co-op spaces. everything I learned about fixing bikes I learned from males and a couple of really awesome females. i don't need a female only night and i really don't understand why any girl does.
want to be really progressive? stop having your women's-only bubble night and go take the fuck over of every other night the kitchen is open. make sure women are represented. EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. lead the boys. show those dudes that you don't need your own ride to be a leader, to be awesome. we're all amazing creatures, all of us humans. time to start sharing that. fuck your barriers that you are building for yourselves. time to go to the kitchen on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday night and show the guys that you can work a wrench just as well as them.
/end crazy rant.
ima go look for parts to build my first freak bike tonight...stay tuned for that. and have fun on tonight's MR...be careful who you laugh around. geez.
nothing has changed. you all enjoy your crazy ass white bitches. ima be hella chillin in the Bay with some Anchor Steam. peeps in LA be hella letting that smog and sunshine get to their heads blood.
(or something like that...Oakland is a hella strange place, people talk funny)
As someone who remembers being bullied relentlessly in Jr. High, I find Brittany's comments as-fuckingly-stupid as fuck.
You're not being bullied, you're just trolling. Grow up. Ride by yourself.
And thank you for turning a thread on Bicycle Bitchen into some sort of Complaint line about some other guy.
PS, Dirty Hipster, suck it up. Be a grown-ass man and walk your HIpster Chariot home. Or better yet, learn to carry a patch kit and a pump.
This chatroom reminds me why I don't ride in groups anymore.
sleepy responding to a comment by tinycities
03.9.13 - 1:18 pm
- Nobody owes you shit ... get over yourself.
- Trolls keep things fun. But you can't beat a master-debater.
- Remember to lighten up. Have some FUN.
- There's nothing wrong with a member driven community space having woman's night, but for the sake of good bike karma and community goodwill we would all should be willing to help out a stranded or limping cyclist with a simple problem, when we have the time and resources to do so at our disposal.
And most importantly ...
- If anybody anywhere has ever denied help to the DIRTY HIPSTER its likely due, not to his possession of male genitalia but rather, to his shitty, entitled, self-righteous attitude.
guys are crafty though... how do you weed out the guys who get a "simple" "flat" just so they can be around girls? Bitchen needs to be absolute. NO GUYS. Hannel
Roadblock responding to a comment by trickmilla
03.11.13 - 8:17 pm
my friend's derailleur was broken because simple screw fell out. He told them he wouldn't interfere with their thing and all he needed was a screw. But NOOOOOO these females had to turn them away even after he said all he needed was less than 2 minutes to find the bolt and fix it. So fuck their feminist bullshit night. I've never heard of the kitchen turning away women on regular nights. Bottom line: Fuck the bicycle bitchen night.
palucha66 responding to a comment by Roadblock
03.12.13 - 12:41 am
how hard is this concept... if one helpless asshole shows up and needs to "take 2 minutes" to get a screw then who's to say that all 500 other helpless assholes cant get their two minute screw and then you have to spend time and energy actually sorting out helpless assholes from the weasels and douchebags... hell no. Let the women have their night and take the bus home.
Roadblock responding to a comment by palucha66
03.12.13 - 3:15 am
If you care to look up the Bicycle Kitchen online, you would of known that Monday night is not for the boys. If you need to fix your bike and you have a penis, forget this place exist.... just for one night let the girls do their thing. I completely understand. Learn to carry around tools and patch kits. If a derailleur messes up on you, take the bus home. If you are a hipster with a flat tire and without the tools or/and know how on how to fix it, go to La Cita and get drunk. Because you never cared about cycling anyways, and you love to ride light.... and go to a WOMENS/TRANSGENDERED ONLY night at the Bike Kitchen and bitch that they didn't let you in... and then post a thread bitching like a fucking child, and this thread takes off like a dead beat dad, and I am posting after not posting for years.... and idiots like Palucha who don't get it put their fat two cents in. No means no. If you dared to ask nicely "Hey, I just need two minutes to do this and I am out", and she says "Not tonight, sorry...." and you just badger her, well you are just taking their time. This society is ass backwards when it comes to feminine empathy. If you're a guy being hit on by a weird gay guy, imagine that is your life as soon as you step outside. That will help you understand why these nights exist. Now, fuck off if you don't agree.
All I read is bark bark bark bark I'm a pissed off feminist trying to take away time from a community that accepts both men and women yet I still believe my vagina reserves the right to take away Monday from everyone and make it into Women's night.
"If you're a guy being hit on by a weird gay guy" What the fuck are you talking about? Some of my friends are gay. Hamilton is always hitting on me. You don't see me making a men only night at Kitchen. You're acting like men are dick slapping you on every ride.
palucha66 responding to a comment by Hippy Sippy
03.12.13 - 4:10 pm
I thought this was a funny troll post until I scrolled down and realized it wasn't a joke. This turned into a very malevolent discussion that is embarrassing to be at the top of thread. Anytime we as a country have to make laws saying it's especially illegal to discriminate/cause harm towards a citizen for their gender, race or sexual orientation (i.e. voting rights act, violence against women act, hate crime legislation) because we have a well documented history of doing those things -- it means we have a long way to go as a society when it comes to equality.
Moreover, I don't think you get that a lot of women have had really awful things happen to them, be it verbal or sexual abuse and it is a scar no one can see that will never heal or fade. That some of those women are here in our little bicycle community and they want to see this this group as something different from the norm -- because god damn it we are. We should all expect better, clear headed, compassionate and rational thoughts when it comes to these matters. I know you haven't exactly been getting that nor have you been giving it but here's a rational thought for you: we are in this together. We only grow together when people aren't pulling the roots out from the dirt.
A three hour block -- one night a week to encourage women and trans people to get out there, educate themselves, work together and ride a bike -- is awesome and should be applauded because it only strengthens our ranks. Hopefully, one day the need for such a night will come to end and we'll all take showers together like in Star Ship Troopers -- but that time is not now.
Sorry your bike broke -- or whoever dirtyhipster actually is -- but everyone knows Monday nights at the Bicycle Kitchen is indeed ladies/lgbt night. I've taken the bus, walked or called in a favor when I was shit out of luck on my bike and I in-turn will pick up people with my car and rack anytime -- pay it forward. I've got nothing but love for you all but this turned ugly. We can do better and I encourage everyone to re-read the "About the Ridazz" section for a refresher. Ride on.
et responding to a comment by palucha66
03.12.13 - 6:42 pm
what I really like is the men saying "let the girls have their night"...what do you mean, "LET"? i will go to any co-op any day, at any hour and fix my bike. and i think everyone should have that same freedom, regardless of gender...
my problem with women's night, anywhere, is that it creates a bubble for women. i have never felt unwelcome at the kitchen (or the oven, or bikerowave or bici libre) and find it a bit upsetting that others are made to feel unwelcome because of their gender, regardless of the ideal. you guys keep saying "take the bus/train/walk"...what if the person lives in East Los or beyond? what if the person has no money for the bus or train?
but whatever...i really just wanted to come on and say, haha @ "Hamilton is always hitting on me"
I used to volunteer at the Melrose spot.
Guys would sometimes come to ogle the girls. There was one guy who repeatedly kept hitting on a girl who was not reciprocating. We had to take him outside and tell him to chill out.
Dudes are so fucking entitled sometimes. Man up and take a little discomfort.
Maybe you should just not show up at all if it bugs you so much. Get some tools and start a Guy's Night in your Kitchen. Shit, The Bicycle Kitchen did start in someone's Kitchen.
sleepy responding to a comment by palucha66
03.12.13 - 8:23 pm
I have gay friends too. We have something in common.
What I was talking about is the feeling of unwelcomed advances. If you are straight and you been hit on by a weird gay guy, who just leers and makes comments, well that's how women feel when they leave the house, everyday. Everyday, weird guys hit on women and these women silently suffer... then a place opens up where they can fix their bikes and its dedicated to women and transgenders for just 52 nights out of the year and you don't have to worry about any of that shit and morons like you call out the men discrimination card and bitch bitch bitch.... Palucha, I forgive your ignorance and hope one day you feel empathy for other human beings.
Let the rules be. Let the hours stand for the intended purpose. Ignorant fools, live and let live.
I am glad you don't feel unwelcomed... but problem is that sometimes you can feel too welcomed, as a potential lay by a person you have no desire to fuck or even get to know personally.... and I am glad you don't have this issue.
People who have broken down bikes can:
Take the bus, call a friend, carry around the most basic and necessary tools to fix their bikes if the problem can be fixed on the road, or walk it home. If you live far from were you broke down, spange for change or walk home. I hope Dirty Hipster learned his lesson and carries a tool kit with patches with him and will never be caught unawares. Shit, I learned this lesson a long time ago. I carry extra tools just to help out fellow cyclist who are stranded. I carry a foot pump just because it can be necessary and I haven't had a flat in months... and sometimes I don't carry them at all, but I got a loaded TAP card just in case.
So a recap of the current score (I'm keeping track)
Rosiekins: in the lead with infinity points
everyone else: doin great
palucha66: tied for last place
DIRTY HIPSTER: tied for last place
brittany: disqualified or maybe forfeit, we don't really care
palucha come on now I thought you would at least be in the B pack... I can't believe this! Look at that score! Appalling!
I THINK WE ARE ALL MISSING THE SALIENT POINT HERE, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT WOMEN ARE EQUAL, YOU'RE ALREADY A FUCKING FEMINIST. WE DON'T NEED THESE STUPID WOMEN'S ONLY NIGHTS. WE CAN KEEP IT IN OUR PANTS JUST FINE, WE DON'T NEED TO BE SEPARATED FROM WOMEN JUST CAUSE A FEW DUDES FUCK IT UP FOR THE REST OF US. WHEN YOU PUT YOURSELVES INTO GROUPS, IT'S YOU SCREWING YOURSELF, YOU BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE SOLUTION.
Nobody gives a shit if you had to walk your bike home because you are too incapable of fixing a flat and chose to blame it on an event intended for good will towards openness and acceptance for women and the lgbt community. Based on other shit you've said in this thread, I am pretty sure you might be one of the "few dudes that fuck it up for the rest".
"I GIVE EM THE HARD DICK EVERY DAY" <- your words
Pretty much the quintessential form of over-masculine bullshit that you were just complaining about. Take a look in the mirror, are you the solution yet?
jennygirl responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.14.13 - 10:04 am
I demand a Mexicans only night because people are always asking me where to get a good burrito because i'm brown. it's offensive so everyone should suffer for at least one night a week because i'm not emotionally secure enough to interact with other humans.
The irony is that this dude uses the word "salient" and completely misses the point... yet again. I wish he could be Quagmire in the Family Guy Valentines Day episode. Giggidy giggidy giggidy goo! Alll riiight!
yes they used to make punk rocks, and good ones too. they do not anymore, so touch et! on that one. their singer used to be a male. now she isn't. so she can get into bike kitchen on Monday nights if she was so inclined. but, if she had opted out of her reassignment surgery i doubt he would bitch about not having access to said venue for a few hours a week. and muppets will always be punk as fuck
statler responding to a comment by hipster
03.15.13 - 9:54 pm
thank you for the input and i do stand corrected. i was feeling clever about my use of gender sensitive pronouns. thank you for staying on point and discussing the original issue of this thread. but i think you are kind of a bully....
statler responding to a comment by jennygirl
03.16.13 - 2:22 pm
Hopefully my comment wasn't off-putting... It's just something I feel strongly about because transgender people and terminologies are commonly misunderstood by the masses. It's getting better, though.
Your joke was clever, too, by the way. I'm sorry if you feel derailed by all the technicalities ;)
you'll be relieved to learn i felt neither derailed nor off putted. the bully remark was a reference to the earlier posts in this thread (remember the one that had absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand?) and thanks for appreciating my clever-ness...i feel it was missed by most. cheers!
statler responding to a comment by jennygirl
03.16.13 - 11:04 pm
looks like the clever is spreading like a rash, although i don't know if i would like to make out with you poop dick. what gender do you identify with?
statler responding to a comment by POOP DICK
03.16.13 - 11:49 pm
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Qaida, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
ex-military, huh? me too. spent my time doing 4 tours in the nam. eatin" bullets and shittin" freedom. you know, the v.a. has a mental health division....maybe you should take advantage of it.
statler responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.20.13 - 9:58 pm
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Qaida, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Writing all of that look as if it took more effort then hunting somebody down and killing them with your bare hand. I'm tired now. I need a nap!
hipster responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.20.13 - 10:19 pm
Hard to believe that someone who claims to be a former SEAL gets upset because he can't fix his bicycle because it's women's night. I was invited to Coronado to watch them train and to be a SEAL you really have to be able to take care of yourself and your team. And you said you graduated the top of your class? Access to the entire USMC arsenal? And under whose authority will you use it to the full extent?
Please, let's not have this be a case of stealing valor from those who earned it.
mk4524 responding to a comment by hipster
03.20.13 - 11:04 pm
A SEAL doesn't whine if he has to walk a few miles home because he wasn't prepared to take care of himself and his equipment and then whine because he couldn't get into a bike coop on Ladies Night. Up until you said you graduated at the top of your SEAL class, I didn't much give a shit one way or another. Don't insult those who are SEALs.
mk4524 responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.22.13 - 11:11 pm
WHAT THIS GUY SAID, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR INTERNETS IF YOU CANT IDENTIFY A RATHER FAMOUS PIECE OF COPYPASTA. YOU REALLY THING A NON-CONFORMIST HIPSTER LIKE ME WOULD BE A SEAL?
as far as i can tell, being a non-conformist and a hipster concurrently would be every bit as much an oxymoron as being a seal and a hipster. hipsters conform in a lot of ways. that is one of the ways the world identifies them. and nobody thought you were a seal.
statler responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.23.13 - 1:30 pm
I admit to over-reacting but when I see a whiner claiming to be SEAL, it was more than I could handle. Then he claims to have killed 300 human beings. I spent Wednesday afternoon with a veteran and watched him cry as he talked about his trauma in Iraq (six deployments including Afghanistan) and having to deal with taking a human life and the threat of losing his in an instant. I think he has some serious issues and this at the same time his wife is divorcing him. I'm frustrated because I'm trying to find a way to help him. It was probably bad timing for me to deal with this veteran and then relax by reading this forum.
To joke about the taking of 300 lives really upset me. Maybe it's time to re-institute a universal draft so that more citizens actually are called into the military. The thought of taking a human life then goes beyond pushing a button on a video game to the stark reality of having to take another human life. Maybe the NRA has a point, it's this constant exposure to video games that numbs us into thinking it's no big deal to go into a school class room and shoot it up. Although there are very valid reasons for not re-instituting a universal draft, at least with thel draft, we would also have more veterans in Congress and in senior political positions that would point out the true cost of these military ventures in terms of the personal lives of those who serve.
I also thought this was a forum about bicycling and as such, I didn't know it was restricted to hipsters of whom I obviously don't understand. I just happen to love riding my bike.
mk4524 responding to a comment by statler
03.23.13 - 2:58 pm
Everyone here pretty much said everything I wanted to say about this very stupid response to my comment about how stupid you are for being such a whining hipster cunt. Nothing personal Dirty Hipster, just letting you know how much of a moron you are.... Like from here to New York City, that much moron you are.
Hippy Sippy responding to a comment by DIRTY HIPSTER
03.24.13 - 12:32 am
I went to grade school with you, and I remember a few things in particular that might be the reason for your defensive behavior today. I wish you would be super sweet all of the time, and maybe you were before you were bullied so badly growing up. It saddens me to see how you turned out. Shame on those mean kids who damaged you back then. It's not too late to heal!
I'm writing to you to ask you to be kind to women on these rides. I know you have been hurt and struggled to recover from the trauma of a few rumors that spread around school like wildfire when we were kids. You might not even know who I am, because I am not your age - but I hope you take this request to heart: I urge you to treat every being with respect and dignity, the way that you wish to be treated. I never knew you, but I sure did hear about you, and I'll tell you what - I stood up for you. I told those bullies off in your defense... my way of reducing harm to a stranger in our community. I did this because I wanted to build a culture of empathy in our school, so that nobody had to live in fear of others.
Now, please hear my plea and be a good girl. Life will be much more rewarding, I promise. Together, we can build a supportive community where everyone feels safe and welcome. Start on the inside and work your way out.
We can make tshirts and stickers promoting positive messaging if you want! :) Holler if you need anything!
Did you just bring up a fellow rida's grade school experience in an attempt to psychoanalyze her in the guise of concern trolling?
Then follow that up by patronizingly asking her to be a "good girl"?
Holy shit that's not cool.
Especially doing so with the RideALC login. That last post pretty much tainted the ALC's rep on here, even if you immediately claim in your next post that all comments are your own and in no way reflect the opinions of the ALC.
None of us are perfect, but Rosie's cooler than most. If you're concerned for her, she's not that hard to find and talk to privately.
Maybe going forward we can keep the personal drama off MR.com until individuals have been talked to privately. Public shaming should be a LAST resort, and somebody's negative childhood experiences should pretty much NEVER be fodder for public analysis.
The first half of this thread was hilarious, but the second half, with the passive aggressiveness and threats and whatnot is just getting kind of sad.
JB responding to a comment by RideALC
03.25.13 - 6:20 pm
Hey, Jb. Thanks for reading and responding to my post. I understand how that remark came of as "patronizing" however, the entire purpose of my post was to empathize and relate. My post doesnt mention/reflect the opinion of my affiliates. In my opinion, emapathy is the pathway to change. Everyone is entitled to agree or disagree. Thanks, Jb.
RideALC responding to a comment by JB
03.25.13 - 8:52 pm
But it's cool, it's not a "traumatic" experience. I was the weird kid growing up. I'm pretty stoked I was the weird kid growing up. It turned me into this weird adult today.
I'm feeling pretty weird right now, wanna hang out?
Anyway I thought a prerequisite for being in this scene was being a weirdo?!? If that's not the case I want my money back! I'm not going to be friends with "NORMAL" people... ewww....
jennygirl responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.27.13 - 2:49 am
REMEMBER THE DATE WHEN I PROCLAIM THAT THIS WILL BE THE HOTTEST THREAD OF 2013, NO THREAD STARTED IN THIS YEAR WILL BE MORE POPULAR THAN THE BICYCLE BITCHEN THREAD. AND TO THINK THIS WAS ALL STARTED WITH THE MINOR INCOVENIENCE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE KITCHEN AND FIX MY BIKE, NOW I'VE TAKEN OVER MR. LIFE IS SURE FUNNY SOMETIMES...
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bully? ill have you know I lasted 16 years in Canada, and Ive been involved in numerous raids on my own body and I have over 300 ML of bleach drank. I am trained in self harm and I'm the top Clorox chugger in BC, Canada. I will wipe myself the fuck out with chugging the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth mark my fucking words You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again fucker
NOT THIS AGAIN!!!! 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