Tour of California
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Rogue Rida at 02.21.08 - 11:55 pm
Anyone going to Solvang, Santa Clarita or, Pasadena to catch the Tour of California this week? Wanna ride to / through it?
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I'm still thinking about watching them climb Balsom Canyon, outside Santa Paula on Saturday.
I'm conflicted by the Dark Century that night, but I've been following the race online and am getting stoaked about showing up and ringing my cow bell.
It's a 90 mile drive to get up there, but I'm still thinking about it.
Creative Thing02.22.08 - 7:19 am
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Unless it's really pouring rain, I'll be at the Rose Bowl Sunday.
mr rollers02.22.08 - 8:44 am
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Best thing about the Tour of CA is Rock Racing. I was sort of aware of their nonsense before, but then I saw it with my own eyes at the prologue in Palo Alto. Escalades and Bentleys for support vehicles, hired tits and ass girls to photo-op with the racers, absurd dayglo logos plastered over everything, and a tantrum-prone, narcissistic team owner with "Big Daddy" embroidered on his jacket.
Loudest most obnoxious team ever. Love it.
City Hobgoblin02.22.08 - 3:45 pm
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How was cycling even considered a sport without these? --->
Thank you Rock Racing. Thank you.
City Hobgoblin02.22.08 - 3:51 pm
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Rock Racing solely exists to bring the MEGA LOLZ to cycling. God Bless them for that.
markedge02.22.08 - 4:06 pm
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Can these girls even spot a racing bike?
User102.22.08 - 4:08 pm
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white and silver shoes do not go well with the black kit.
ruinedbyidiots02.22.08 - 4:10 pm
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markedge:
"Rock Racing solely exists to bring the MEGA LOLZ to cycling. God Bless them for that."
seriously. They had a big meeting and said "cycling is pretty funny right now, with all the doping scandals and suspensions and disgrace. How could we make it EVEN FUNNIER?" And then they struck gold.
towliesbong:
"Oh, fuck, how incredibly cheesy."
Dude, maybe you should stick to golf or science or something for boring lame people.
City Hobgoblin02.22.08 - 4:10 pm
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User1:
"Can these girls even spot a racing bike?"
They can spot the guy that they're paid to pretend to kiss in front of the cameras. Good enough.
City Hobgoblin02.22.08 - 4:13 pm
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but but but they're "synonymous with edgy, progressive design inspired by Rock & Roll"! Which rock and roll, Billy Joel rock and roll????
WTF?
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:13 pm
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Yeah, it is a pretty outlandish team. To flamboyant for me to be a fan, but they have a good team of riders. I am always catching them at the Starbucks on National & Barrington coming back from their training rides. Cool guys, but the owner of the team is a "Fluffa".
Rogue Rida02.22.08 - 4:19 pm
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"Dude, maybe you should stick to golf or science or something for boring lame people."
Hahahaha, those girls look like they'd fit perfectly as ball cleaners at a golf tournament to benefit Geriatric Fluffers with no health insurance.
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:20 pm
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how could you NOT root for these guys?
City Hobgoblin
02.22.08 - 7:06 pm
Let's head over to the Rose Bowl on Sunday, and I'll give you a demonstration.
I'm all for irony, but goddam. Even irony only take me so far.
Ms. Stephanie02.22.08 - 4:25 pm
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"Yeah, it is a pretty outlandish team. To flamboyant for me to be a fan, but they have a good team of riders."
Yeah, their roster definitely kicks ass and it's always nice to have new money in cycling.
But...
...that schtick is as tiresome convention of retired fluffas and as uncreative as a festival of top-40 bar bands.
Now, if they formed their schtick around the esthetic of the Museum of Modern Fun, then you might get me excited.
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:26 pm
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That being said, I'll be rooting for them at Mill Creek Summit on Sunday.
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:27 pm
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...then again, I've been racking my brain to come up with a way to ironically wear those sweat pants with the messages on the ass. Something tells me that I have unwittingly stumbled across something here...
Ms. Stephanie02.22.08 - 4:29 pm
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It's the last KOM, I believe, above Acton on Angeles Forest Hwy.
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:31 pm
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@towlies: no, i want to write something on the ass myself. i could, for example, iron "Rock Riders" on my ass and go to the Rose Bowl. Except they probably wouldn't get the irony.
Ms. Stephanie02.22.08 - 4:33 pm
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Is it a ride to & back type of route? Is it do-able? I know there are 4 KOM's on this stage... That has to be fun...
Rogue Rida02.22.08 - 4:33 pm
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Who's up for hanging out with a bunch of jocks?
Can I see a show of hands?
User102.22.08 - 4:33 pm
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Who cares about the jocks... I wanna ride... Maybe steal some schwaggggg... Lets steal the RR team Caddy...
Rogue Rida02.22.08 - 4:36 pm
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oops. rock racing, not rock riders.
whatever the hell they're called, i do believe they have provided me with an ironic ass iron on opportunity.
Ms. Stephanie02.22.08 - 4:40 pm
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Ms. Stephanie:
"i could, for example, iron "Rock Riders" on my ass and go to the Rose Bowl. Except they probably wouldn't get the irony."
Um, did you see those photos I posted? They would probably interpret that as an invitation for some coked-up post-race doggy style.
@toweliesbong: ha, yeah as soon as the Tour of CA is over, those girls are off to the driving range to get some pervy retiree dolla billz.
City Hobgoblin02.22.08 - 4:44 pm
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"Is it a ride to & back type of route? Is it do-able? I know there are 4 KOM's on this stage... That has to be fun..."
Mill Creek Summit is at 5000ft, I think the most direct route is up Big Tujunga to Angeles Forest Hwy and up Angeles Forest. Hell, if the storm is still here it could snow on them.
I'll be in Torrance until Sunday morn so don't think I'll be able to ride up there in time. I was planning on coming home to Burbank Sun morning and then continuing up there in my car. I haven't nailed this down yet as I have some friends coming up from southern OC and they were planning on just going directly to the Rose Bowl.
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:45 pm
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According to the fast schedule they'll be at Mill Creek at 1:27pm. I don't know how early they will close the road at the top of Big Tujunga, though.
Anyone have any idea how long before the group arrives that the rolling road closure goes into effect?
toweliesbong02.22.08 - 4:54 pm
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hey me and some other drunks will be at the 35er bar on colorado and fair oaks getting our drink on from 12:30 till 2pm or so,then heading over to the rose bowl to watch the finish.come hang out and have a drink.especially if you are a ROCK RACING fanatic like the Armadillos are.anyone know if itll be on live tv?
mandingo02.23.08 - 10:11 pm
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How did I miss this Rock Racing. My only question is, what does Enzo Gucci think of Rock Racing? (serious question)
As for what to write on the back side of the sweat pants, My suggestion and this may seem basic, and too simple,...............
"BIKE"
sexy02.23.08 - 10:42 pm
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I have the TV on in the back round. They show'd a blip of the race. They showed a crash of the race towards the back. You'll like this, I recognized three members of one of the teams that went down. Can you guess what team it was? They where sporting neon green and black Lycra. YUP Three of the Rock Racing Team went down and another went back to check on them.
NO RACA LEFT BEHIND
Whatever you want to say about them, they already have
"BRAND RECOGNITION"
sexy02.23.08 - 10:50 pm
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User "Ms. Stephanie," I have given this a lot of thought and I have devoted to this issue a great deal of the processing power allocated to me.
Do you want to know what PAM thinks? Here it is: ironic or not, if you iron something legible on to the ass of your sweatpants, you will be a person wearing sweatpants with words on the ass of them. You, user "Ms. Stephanie." Not somebody else. You!
Please think about that. I am telling you this as your friend. We are friends who talk to each other about fashion!
PAM02.24.08 - 2:05 am
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"Rock Racing solely exists to bring the MEGA LOLZ to cycling. God Bless them for that."
If by "MEGA LOLZ" you mean "douchy douches."
cabhauler02.24.08 - 3:01 am
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Hey Danny, we can't let our logo look much like these Rock Racing asshats, now that I come to think of it. I know you've got logo lust, but seriously... aren't all these guys racers who got busted for steroid use or something?
BTW, City Hobgoblin...you said
Dude, maybe you should stick to golf or science or something for boring lame people.
Boy,
THAT'S ENOUGH OF YOUR LIP! Now, I grant you golf is indeed some seriously boring and lame shit. But science is SERIOUSLY FUCKING SEXY. Some of the sexiest people I know are hardcore brainiac scientists. All the intelligence just makes the sexiness even more sexy.
Science of course makes it possible to do crazy shit in space (astronomy, physics, chemistry, cosmology) and build awesome bicycles (materials science, mechanical engineering, metallurgy, nanotechnology). If it wasn't for science we'd be a bunch of peasants digging in peat bogs hoping our local inquisition branch doesn't kill us next for being a witch or some stupid shit like that. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
ephemerae02.24.08 - 11:17 am
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CH, where was you? I brought you Green and Black balloons.
sexy02.24.08 - 5:36 pm
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@ephemerae:
psh... ha. Last week I was talking to a friend and explaining gravitational lensing and how they observed the first double Einstein ring, and I haven't been able to sustain an erection since. Astrophysics >>> impotence.
You wanna know what really gets me hard? Creationism. oh yeah. now I'm ready to fuck.
@sexy: I was on the course watching the race, flipping off the RRC support cars.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 10:06 am
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"@Here it is: ironic or not, if you iron something legible on to the ass of your sweatpants, you will be a person wearing sweatpants with words on the ass of them. You, user "Ms. Stephanie." Not somebody else. You! "
@PAM: Good lookin' out. You have a very, very good point. I just feel like this is a population that is screaming to be made fun of, and I'm sad that it's not me doing it.
Ms. Stephanie02.25.08 - 10:30 am
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This is a bit convoluted in the logic but if you've ever done any drugs it will make sense.
Rock Racing deserves to be and should be supported by cyclists. Not ostracized from the PRO ranks.
Why?
Take one look at the "fashions" that Rock and Republic creates. $250 jeans that are considered the Cat's Pajama's in Orange County aren't made for you, me, or the other guy.
They're made for people who think Hummers are cool.
If Michael Ball's cycling team can get their monster truck driving customer base to think cycling is cool, then those wealthy rednecks might just be a little nicer to cyclists they encounter on the road.
If Rock Racing gets chased away, woe to those in spandex.
chunk02.25.08 - 10:43 am
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what ever happened to rooting for the home team? oh wait I', for Quickstep,
dannyzuko02.25.08 - 10:55 am
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@chunk: good point, but I don't really know enough about that demographic's opinion to know whether RRC would affect anybody. (I sorta doubt it: they're all watching UFC). So I'm just here to giggle. Tee hee.
ps yay drugs.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 11:44 am
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All of RRC's press is about Cipollini. Cipollini this, Cipollini that, omg Cipollini just took a crap, let's put in a plastic bag and worship it, blah blah blah. I wonder if the other racers will be pissed off, because they actually accomplished something, where Cipollini did nothing but suck ass. 58th place is for looooooooosers.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 11:53 am
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out of all the competing teams, rock racing is the one id want to party with the most.
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 12:05 pm
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Rock Racing has it's place in cycling. While I might not agree with how Michael Ball delivers his message, some of it makes perfect sense. Rock Racing is trying to be the 'bad boy' of cycling and with that attitude they will ruffle some feathers. But ultimately there'll will be some good that will come out of it. But for now, the money and sponsors RR brings in give the pro peloton a boost that it needs.
As for the Rock racers themselves, none of the ones that raced the ToC are suspected of implicated in any current doping scandals. Hamilyon, Botero and Pena did not race because the reopening of the Puerto scandal.
Lastly, how can anyone hate on Cipo? The man is 41 years old and can kick any of our asses after being retired for 3 years.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 12:26 pm
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Ah, it all makes perfect sense now. Support Rock Racing or bros will run you over!
PC02.25.08 - 12:32 pm
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As for the doping scandals, it seems in cycling you are guilty until proven innocent. Like all issues this one is pretty complicated and there are several sides to it. My thought is that it is more prevalent than we are lead to believe.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 12:33 pm
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Another I don't understand how people on this site who are pro cycling hate on roadies? Cycling is not new.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 12:35 pm
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We only hate on "true roadies."
PC02.25.08 - 12:39 pm
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i still need to upload my pix of where the "true roadie" went down.
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 12:43 pm
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Meaning, a picture of your crotch. Yes? Eh? Hmm?
PC02.25.08 - 12:45 pm
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i will probably go play in traffic on the 101 if she ever mades a salacious comment towards me.
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 12:46 pm
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Ahh, I see the point of Rock Racing now. Cycling is for everyone, even bro-dogs with blond highlights.
Hate gun off.
cabhauler02.25.08 - 12:47 pm
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note to self - stick to one tense. you are not faulkner.
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 12:48 pm
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And aside from hating, what have you done to promote cycling?
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 12:48 pm
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yeah, I don't know anything about any of this, but I enjoyed the race yesterday, and don't hate anybody I don't know, or anybody who hasn't done anything to me. I don't know about any of those racers, but I bet they ride alot more then any of us. That was fun yesterday. Somebody, put me in my seatbelt crapper. Yeah!
sexy02.25.08 - 12:48 pm
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A True Roadie is somebody who spends $5000 on a road bike to ride it on weekends, and is therefore better than you or me.
PC02.25.08 - 1:01 pm
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And spends $500 on team kit to look like a moron.
toweliesbong02.25.08 - 1:08 pm
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I don't see how that can be bad. A cyclist is a cyclist, that moron that you refer to is one of us. It does not matter how often he/she rides he/she still rides. When he/she gets into that SUV, he/she is more likely to watch out for fellow cyclists.
And why does the cost of the bike and kit even matter? When was there a pricepoint for legitimacy. The price we spend our bikes is determined by how much we can spare. I, for one, will spend as much on a bike as my budget will allow. As for a kit I will also buy the best I can afford.
From your descriptions, a 'true roadie' is a 'fred'. It is almost as bad as saying all Ridazz are fixie hipters.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 1:38 pm
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coach, it all started here.
http://midnightridazz.com/forums.php?searchType=body&showThreads=1&keyword=merider1&topicId=732
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 1:48 pm
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"And why does the cost of the bike and kit even matter? When was there a pricepoint for legitimacy. The price we spend our bikes is determined by how much we can spare. I, for one, will spend as much on a bike as my budget will allow. As for a kit I will also buy the best I can afford. "
Do you have a "He Who Dies with the Most Toys Wins" bumper sticker??? I'll bet you do.
Flaunting $5000 bikes and lycra to make one look like their favorite doper reduces the appeal to others of getting on a bike. If one is training to race, fine, but for the most part street clothes and just about any bike will do 99% of riders just fine. Just look at Midnight Ridazz and related groups, many people in cars get excited when they see us. When was the last time you were on a training ride and someone got curious about what you were doing? I'd venture it's never happened. In my 10 years of racing not a single person was curious about what I was doing or where I was going.
Buying $5000 bikes and team kit sends the development of bikes and parts in the wrong direction for 99% of possible riders. From previous posts you know my opinion on the crap that is sold today. I was a biketech geek for longer than the years that I raced but after a while of being away from the racing scene I started realizing that all that shit is unnecessary, a waste of money, unreliable, hard to fix, etc, etc, etc, if I just want to RIDE MY BIKE.
toweliesbong02.25.08 - 2:20 pm
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Thanks RBI,
I remember that thread. I guess it is something I've been noticing a lot lately, that we are think that as Ridazz we are more special that any other cycling group out there. That we alone are the keepers and the champions of cycling. This really bugs me.
Yesterday, I witnessed something pretty remarkable. There was a crit in Ontario. As a support person for our Junior team, I had to be there at 5:30am. Since it was raining hard and very cold, I expected no one to be there. But when I got there there were a few parents and kids already there. When it came to start time, the were almost 50 kids racing. For most of them, the race was an opportunity to ride and it did not matter if it rained.
You see the common thread that runs through all cyclists is the passion to ride.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 2:20 pm
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"A cyclist is a cyclist, that moron that you refer to is one of us. It does not matter how often he/she rides he/she still rides. When he/she gets into that SUV, he/she is more likely to watch out for fellow cyclists."
It all depends on why you ride, doesn't it? I ride with MR and Tren Way, et al, because a lot of the riders look at the world in a different way, don't accept social / economic / political norms at face value and challenge the world around them. Even the existence of the rides is a political message (see the quote from Marino's page, which I will paste at the end of this thread).
Just because the Rock Racers ride bikes doesn't mean I will ever give them my respect. Hiring models as T&A accessories, driving obnoxious SUVs - fuck that, and fuck them.
Quote from Marino's page:
"Fuck politics!
Fuck appeals to the authorities for more lenient terms of enslavement!
We are forging a new society, right now!
Every Midnight Ridazz ride, every Trenway ride, every Sins and Sprockets ride, every C.R.A.N.K. MOB ride is a political ride.
Why? Because it's a public demonstration of collective happiness without consumerism, without structure, without hierarchies. It's a demonstration that anarchy is possible AND fun. "
Ms. Stephanie02.25.08 - 2:36 pm
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"Every Midnight Ridazz ride, every Trenway ride, every Sins and Sprockets ride, every C.R.A.N.K. MOB ride is a political ride.
Why? Because it's a public demonstration of collective happiness without consumerism, without structure, without hierarchies. It's a demonstration that anarchy is possible AND fun. "
In what universe does a route map not apply structure and since when did pit stops at 7-11's to buy stuff not count as consumerism? Not to mention "ride leaders" not being part of any hierarchy?
The only time anarchy looks sweet is when it's symbolized on the back of some 13th grade hesher's jean jacket.
chunk02.25.08 - 2:47 pm
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@ toweliesbong,
I understand where you stand and what you are saying but you are missing my point. My point is: as cyclists we come from very diverse backgrounds, it does not matter how and why we ride just as long as we ride. As a whole wouldn't you agree that if more people rode then it will be better?
I don't care if it was Rock Racing and the Cadillac CTS chase car that inspired some one to ride long as they rode. I truly believe that we can talk all we want about the benefits/challenges of cycling, but that won't compare to someone getting on a bike once and actually experiencing it firsthand.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 2:50 pm
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Marino's not smelly....
skano02.25.08 - 2:53 pm
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@sc_nomad:
Just because it's on a bicycle doesn't mean we have to like and/or support it.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 2:55 pm
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It all depends on why you ride, doesn't it? I ride with MR and Tren Way, et al, because a lot of the riders look at the world in a different way, don't accept social / economic / political norms at face value and challenge the world around them. Even the existence of the rides is a political message (see the quote from Marino's page, which I will paste at the end of this thread). "
Why you ride doesn't matter cause once you've ridden, you are more likely to understand riders cause. And to think that MOST Riddaz are of like minds is incorrect. I know a good chunk of Riddaz think of MR as a party on bikes nothing more. However most posters on this forum are of like minds.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 2:58 pm
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@ CH,
I'm not saying support it, just understand why they are there and what they bring to the table. Personally, I don't really like Rock Racing's approach. Michael Ball is trying to be the Mark Cuban or Al Davis of cycling, more power to him. I'm just glad that cycling is getting airtime and a little controversy won't hurt it.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 3:06 pm
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"In what universe does a route map not apply structure and since when did pit stops at 7-11's to buy stuff not count as consumerism? Not to mention "ride leaders" not being part of any hierarchy?"
This is one of those asides that distracts from the overall conversation rather than adds to it, but I'll bite. I can't help it.
Route maps:
A route map does not provide a lot of structure. If that's the most restricting example of structure, then I'll take it! Not to mention the fact that a lot of the smaller rides - tren way, for example - tend not to use route maps. The rides are organic, and people suggest ideas, and take turns leading people through areas of the city they like. Additionally, it is a question of safety to map out routes ahead of time for large rides. The maps are self-imposed structure that enhance the safety and fun of our rides. We're taking care of each other.
7-11 stops:
Touche, but only to a very limited extent. We are forced to live in the society as in a lot of ways. What are we going to do, make beer in our bathtubs? Buthtub gin ride to pass!
Ride leaders:
This was just not a well thought-out argument. Ride leaders are much like route maps - they help with safety and with the fun and success of a ride. Plus, they change all the time - anyone can lead a ride. Come up with a good idea and post it. They will come.
But, anyways. All that being said - my main point was distilled nicely and stated more calmly by City Hobgoblin: Just because it's on a bike, doesn't mean I have to support it.
Ms. Stephanie02.25.08 - 3:09 pm
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I concur that the roadie hate is misplaced. Sure there are some dudes that buy 4K bikes and only use them twice a week. There are also those who passionately ride when ever they can, enjoy the excitement of a race, and wear lycra when they ride. I think every kind of cyclist is important to the community at large, and every kind of group will have it's ass holes of various kinds, Midnight Ridazz included.
Also, most plain clothes cyclists wear lycra underneath for anything long in distance or high intensity, because that shit is practical. So why be hating on those who wear it on the outside.
I saved & invested in a carbon frame bike because at the time I knew my passion for biking was growing exponentially, and I could sense I might have the potential to race competitively. Something I have just recently started doing.
I'm now glad I made that investment, and I get to push my bike to the speed and intensity it was designed for. It doesn't have the greatest components, but I will likely upgrade some of them in the future. If that makes me worthy of your hate, then bring the lynch mob, and I'll tell them to fuck off and just ride yo damn bikes.
I'm not suggesting we all hold hands and support anything or anyone on two wheels, I'm just saying hatin on a large group of people who ride a certain way that's different then you, is not useful energy spent.
GarySe7en02.25.08 - 3:10 pm
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sc_nomad:
"Michael Ball is trying to be the Mark Cuban or Al Davis"
OK I had to wikipedia both of those guys -
a. We seem to have a generational gap.
b. You're coming at me with football references? For shame, Dennis.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 3:21 pm
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I'm not saying that I think all Ridazz have the same perspective. I'm just saying that the reason why someone rides is going to heavily influence whether or not they support something like Rock Racers. I ride because I love it, because the people I have met riding are amazing people, and because it is a context that I feel challenges social norms - the very social norms that the rock racers glorify.
"Why you ride doesn't matter cause once you've ridden, you are more likely to understand riders cause."
That might be true, and I accept that. But I can still talk trash about their gender politics and the elitism they embody, and say that I while I fully acknowledge that MR isn't the only group of cyclists out there, I sure as hell do think think that as Ridazz "we are more special that any other cycling group out there."
Ms. Stephanie02.25.08 - 3:25 pm
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@City Hobgoblin: Somehow I missed this - "Um, did you see those photos I posted? They would probably interpret that as an invitation for some coked-up post-race doggy style."
Yeah, I did think of that. Which was why at one point on Friday I was going to suggest that YOU don the pants as well, and that I would gladly accompany you to the Rose Bowl, in those pants. But I never quite got around to making the suggestion.
Something to think about for next year.......
Ms. Stephanie02.25.08 - 3:36 pm
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^^^ I wonder if that's what ruinedbyidiots was referring to?
"out of all the competing teams, rock racing is the one id want to party with the most."
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 3:39 pm
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Sorry Dave,
I forget that I'm as old as dirt sometimes. I preach about respecting diversity yet I forget the generational gap. Mea Culpa!!
Here another thing we can all disagree on to keep this thread going:
What wrong with dying with the most toys? Can't one enjoy the fruits of one's own labor? I've work hard all my life so I can devote as much time as I can to my hobby (life). I've come to point where I can, albeit temporary. What wrong with that? All I have, I got honestly why is it wrong?
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 3:39 pm
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"What wrong with dying with the most toys?"
Well, YOU'RE not a dick, but anyone else who says that is.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 3:44 pm
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"Also, most plain clothes cyclists wear lycra underneath for anything long in distance or high intensity, because that shit is practical. So why be hating on those who wear it on the outside."
That's because the fucking market is full of shitty clothes that 99% of the public don't want to wear but it's what 99% of what the True Roadies wear.
I don't think any fixed gear tight pant emo hipsters wear Rock Racing lycra jerseys under their fuzzy sweaters. Do you?
toweliesbong02.25.08 - 3:48 pm
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Thanks CH but I'm sue there are many that will disagree. Anyways, I'm going for an afternoon ride. You need to come out and ride the WP Hustle more often. See you tonight if you can make it.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 3:50 pm
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I was thinking of coming to Wolfpack wearing a swimming cap and a fake moustache and talking a goofy accent so Cole's absence wouldn't be felt.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 3:53 pm
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don't forget balloons for calves.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 4:01 pm
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hahaha! And I'll be sure to make a half dozen wrong turns.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 4:12 pm
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"What wrong with dying with the most toys?"
Because it correlates directly with consumerism driven waste.
toweliesbong02.25.08 - 4:19 pm
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thanks SC-NofOC
Your post 's are the type of bitch slap we all need every now and then. I think as a group that prefers to participate in rides like MR, are looking for is a different type of ride, then what is considered a roadie type ride. There might be Roadies that participate in MR, but it is a whole different type of ride.
Roadies are serious about the athletics of the sport, so they spend the extra money on the bike and the equipment. It true we spend what we can afford. The type of riding we do, would not only require a $5000 bike, also, it would not be the wisest decision to take that bike out on a MR ride. Even tho digeablesoul Al's bike is expensive, can you Imagen how much it would suck if is bike was $5000 and Richie did a wheelie on his tandem into it. The bike's frame might be worthless now.
The type of riding we do is not as serious as a roadie, we are various types of riders who get together to have fun and party on our bikes. You don't get a $5000 bike to have a beer on, that wouldn't be the smartest move. If you are that serious about the sport you wouldn't do anything that would hinder your performance, like drinking a beer while you ride. If you are that serious, it might be why a bottle cage with less grams, is worth the extra $60. You would feel that a lighter accessory will enhance your performance, so you spend the money.
If I would have bought the carbon bike model, instead of the alum model that I ride now. With the way I ride The carbon bike would have been toast in a month and I might have seriously hurt myself on it.
Who would spend $600-$1000 on a scissors tool? Most would think that is a waste of money. Not a hair cutter who makes his living off of performing his art, trade, love with those shears. It is worth it to me to pay that much, and most cosmetologist have 5-10 sets of shears of that value. Its not unheard of, it actually the rule.
Most MR riders are commuter riders, or those that just ride for the fun of getting together on these rides, it is totally different then pushing yourself to do your best on a bicycle, like what a Roadie ride is. I would think we feel a sense of pride by our rides, because of the connection we experience while riding together, socializing, and getting inebriated as a group, along with the endorphins it produces while doing that together. (let me say that pride is a poor choice of words, for something that makes us happy - "we are proud to be American's" ---what the fuck does that mean??? it means we are happy that we are part of this country..)
I don't think you get that same experience from a pure athletic ride, like a said 'roadie ride', as a MR type party ride. You may feel good that you pushed yourself, and there might the experience of connection through a peloton line, but it is a not the same as the above descriptions on a party ride, its competitive vs non-competitive So I think, we feel special about the connection. I don't think we necessarily think of ourselves as better, but luckier, to be a part of something that brings so much joy in our live.
There might be animosity, about the fact that there is not that connection when somebody is doing a roadie type ride. If you have a goal, to get to certain place by certain time, with a certain speed, certain heart rate, certain rotation per minutes, you don't have the time to stop from achieving your pre-calculated goals, to say "HI" to another rider. With all that as the goal, you might not want to stop and help another rider, who has a mechanical problem.
People around here who stop and help others when they see another rider having problems, might think that those people don't get the connections/empathy, that they think bike riders should have for the another cyclist.
Overall, I'm saying they are two different types of rides, with different goals, that create different feelings, as a result of the experience.
I ain't mad at ya!
sexy02.25.08 - 4:34 pm
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^^^ did anyone read all that? At first I assumed someone copy-pasted an article, then I was like "holy shit, somebody typed all this... " ... scroll down... sexy. Of course.
City Hobgoblin02.25.08 - 4:44 pm
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i know, I'm a terrible writer, and didn't really get to say what I wanted to say.
But I still love CH
sexy02.25.08 - 5:18 pm
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Sexy,
I see nothing wrong with having different types of rides and riders. The thing that bugs me is many forget or don't know that we are part of a bigger cycling community. I ride road though I am not a racer;my racing days are long gone. I also ride MR and was very active for a few years. And if you don't already know my nick, SC_Nomad, is a mountain bike reference. All I know is in all these disciplines, the people are the same. We have more in common than differences. Two things that we all have in common is bikes and beer.
sc_nomad02.25.08 - 7:22 pm
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Two ways to look at the same thing: you either emphasize the differences or the similarities.
Just my typical Libra point of view (not that I put any stock in superstition).
mr rollers02.25.08 - 7:28 pm
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The only time anarchy looks sweet is when it's symbolized on the back of some 13th grade hesher's jean jacket.
chunk
02.25.08 - 5:47 pm
a true hesher wouldnt be caught with anything anarchy on his denim. thats left to the punks. heshers beat up punks.
ruinedbyidiots02.25.08 - 7:29 pm
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Only when there are ten of them and the punk is by himself.
I wouldnt hate on True Roadies if they didnt hate on me. I waved at a roadie today on my way to get lunch. We had a bonding moment.
PC02.26.08 - 4:14 am
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Ridazz Roulette!
Now that's a support car. Fuck those wimpy Europeans.
how could you NOT root for these guys?
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