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Freeway Bike Commute
Thread started by indigis at 06.20.08 - 10:43 pm

the 405 is now open for bicycle commuting. i tried it. it works. it's safe. it's fast. it's fun. do it.

go crazy.

at 5:30 today rode south from wilshire to venice. exited. got back on and rode back to the 10 where headed east to national. 10 is not on my bike commute list.

the 405 is. do it.

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Totally doable!



stevo4
06.20.08 - 11:08 pm

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Only crazy people fall in love with crazy people.
I am a person falling in love with the crazy people of MR.
I am crazy.



imachynna
06.20.08 - 11:20 pm

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Slight Adjustment. I like this MUCH better.



stevo4
06.20.08 - 11:21 pm

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steveo, didn't know you were there shooting today.

most drivers were totally unaware of what was going on around them, stuck in their hermetically sealed cars with windows up. a few, mostly across the divider in the oncoming traffic, gave celebratory honks and waves. two or three (i saw one) assholes tried to fuck with us by opening their car doors trying to door us. video was shot of that by a rider near me.

the experience was very similar to riding a motorcycle on the freeway. however on a bike, splitting lanes and cutting between cars in MUCH easier and more safe.

why freeway bicycle riding is so much safer than street riding is that your danger zone is primarily only in front of you. there are NO cars coming up behind you. Cars to your side are static. Your only real point of interest is if a car ahead will be changing lanes. In rush hour freeway traffic, those lane changes typically are slow, gradual movements.

really, i was more concerned about another bicyclist coming up behind me as i cut into a new split lane. road surface was very smooth and free of debris.



indigis
06.20.08 - 11:34 pm

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funny steveo. nice touch.

imachynna, just looked at your flicker images. there are some nice ones in there. looking forward to see how you capture MR on future rides.



indigis
06.20.08 - 11:37 pm

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You Guys Made it on NPR!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91414814




Joe Borfo
06.21.08 - 1:34 am

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indigis

thank you!
I have a few MR pictures, but they aren't too extraordinary. It'll be worked on!



imachynna
06.21.08 - 1:44 am

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I will post them, just always wonder about showing faces. I guess if they really cared, they'd wear a mask or bandana or something.






stevo4
06.21.08 - 8:45 am

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I'll create a Freeway Ride 6-21-08 album for all to upload too. No reason to have multiples.



stevo4
06.21.08 - 8:46 am

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The photos can also be found HEREk



stevo4
06.21.08 - 10:04 am

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Yeah, i know, i'm a loser. I've changed the name of the Freeway Ride to the correct date... Freeway Ride 6-20-08

Just living in the Future i guess.



stevo4
06.21.08 - 10:07 am

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was this ride posted anywhere?



dayone
06.21.08 - 10:26 am

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the GRRanimals. haha





Bánh Mì
06.21.08 - 10:37 am

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yes it was posted... twice!



boogalooSHRIMP
06.21.08 - 11:15 am

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In regards to the NPR interview a few posts above....

I'm surprised you didn't correct her when she said riding on the freeway is illegal. This blanket statement is incorrect. I'm sure you guys know it by now, but not too many other people do. It would have been great if the interview had went in that direction. Regardless, great interview and even better exposer.




User1
06.21.08 - 12:30 pm

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No one cares if we rode our bicycle on stretches of freeways where it's Not Prohibited.



boogalooSHRIMP
06.21.08 - 2:00 pm

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Nice one there steveo4,
a nice shot of my former company truck in the foreground.
To think if I was on the freeway when y'all rolled by.



bentstrider
06.21.08 - 3:00 pm

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Steveo

what location did you take those pictures from?






sexy
06.21.08 - 4:28 pm

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The Veteran's Hospital Parking lot butts up against the 405 just south of Wilshire Blvd. The only thing separating you from the fwy is a chain link fence.






stevo4
06.21.08 - 4:35 pm

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While I was driving in my truck and listening to AM640 they had an interview with a Criminalzz(SP) ridda, about their freeway ride. Cool shit

.



XPC
06.22.08 - 12:13 am

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my guess we can thank meghan for that



indigis
06.22.08 - 10:45 am

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boogalooSHRIMP -
No one cares if we rode our bicycle on stretches of freeways where it's Not Prohibited.

Me -
Correction! No one knows you traveled on a freeway legally or not. So default conclusion everyone arrives at is that it's all illegal. And we both know that's not necessarily the case.

I happen to care if you pulled this off legally. You could pull this off legally with a little finesse, or you can use the bull in the china shop method. Both are appealing to me, but doing it legally I find is a greater challenge. This also squashes the motorist argument that you're breaking the law.



User1
06.22.08 - 10:57 pm

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Allan,

Show us proof of it's legality, and then maybe they'll start addressing the point in the future...



Joe Borfo
06.22.08 - 11:05 pm

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This was discussed and shown where it's legal to ride on the freeway. I believe the doods that run ibike wiki have it referenced somewhere.

Basically it states in the CVC that where it's posted that bikes are prohibited to enter the freeway, it's illegal. So the reading of the law is that it's legal where it isn't posted that it's illegal.



User1
06.22.08 - 11:17 pm

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borfo it's beyond useless you should know beeter not to engage allan loser1 allesio in one of his argument he will argue till his nose falls off



Satan on a Tricycle
06.23.08 - 12:20 am

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Look, it's real real simple. Everywhere in LA there are signs at the onramps indicating bicycles are prohibited. Therefore they are (according to CVC) therefore the rides were illegal.

Anyone who tries to ride the 5, 10, 90, 101, 110, 139, 405 or whatever in LA is doing it illegally unless they got lucky OR someone else broke a law and pulled down signage.

Trying to argue it is legal is pretty lame, and misses the point by two red barns. It's illegal, I knew it when I did it, I'd do it again, and the other participants mostly feel likewise.

Kind of like CM/MR and stop lights.



Alex Thompson
06.23.08 - 12:25 am

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In some cases, especially if CHP is slow to respond, we could all just consider the above legalese an ignorable-policy.



bentstrider
06.23.08 - 5:08 am

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Three guesses as to why the freeway ride group is not named "Legalanimalz."



nathansnider
06.23.08 - 6:00 am

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asparagus
06.23.08 - 12:03 pm

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lovely interaction there



Joe Borfo
06.23.08 - 12:06 pm

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The funny thing about the doors flying open is that the motorists are too cowardly to keep them open. They knew if someone was doored they wouldn't be able to run the way that they always run from us on the streets.



kyber
06.23.08 - 12:18 pm

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Wow, there is enough room there, to kick the door so that it damages the door and the front fender and the rider can ride through, safely.


USER1, did you ride on any of the freeway rides? Just curious



sexy
06.23.08 - 12:24 pm

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Dave,

How many sign ins do you have here?

Lame or not lame, there's an argument to be made if you happen to get on the freeway without a do not enter sign posted.



User1
06.23.08 - 12:43 pm

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Any cop will tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it. Just because a speed limit sign has been knocked over, you are not free to exceed the limit. I guarantee you that you'll get the ticket, regardless of whether there's a sign or not, if that section of the freeway is closed to bicycles and a cop stops you. You then probably have a 95% (or better) chance of being found guilty by a judge when you raise your "there wasn't a sign" argument in court. Especially if you weren't riding along in the shoulder, staying as far to the right as you safely can, which none of the crimanimalz were doing. What they did was NOT legal. That's the whole point, though.

--sam





ideasculptor
06.23.08 - 12:51 pm

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User1

There are no freeways in LA that do not have signs prohibiting bicycles. I am sure of this, you may not see them, but they are there.



kyber
06.23.08 - 12:52 pm

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And for what it's worth, I have ridden on a freeway legally.

On our way down to SD last year, a bunch of us rode on the 5 freeway. Not for kicks, but because this was the easiest and straightest path to get to where we were going. We rode on the shoulder the entire time and that was that.

I just wanted to dispel the myth that you can't legally ride the freeway anywhere. If I recall correctly, there were signs where we got on that said something along the lines of "bicycles permitted" or something similar to that.



kyber
06.23.08 - 12:56 pm

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I didn't go on the freeway ride...but i work at a law firm and maybe this will help...i don't see anything that says it is illegal to ride on the freeway in the California Vehicle Codes...see below....(i know its long)

CALIFORNIA CODES
VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 21200-21212

21200. (a) Every person riding a bicycle upon a highway has all the
rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver
of a vehicle by this division, including, but not limited to,
provisions concerning driving under the influence of alcoholic
beverages or drugs, and by Division 10 (commencing with Section
20000), Section 27400, Division 16.7 (commencing with Section 39000),
Division 17 (commencing with Section 40000.1), and Division 18
(commencing with Section 42000), except those provisions which by
their very nature can have no application.
(b) (1) Any peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing
with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 of the Penal Code, operating a
bicycle during the course of his or her duties is exempt from the
requirements of subdivision (a), except as those requirements relate
to driving under the influence of alcoholic beverages or drugs, if
the bicycle is being operated under any of the following
circumstances:
(A) In response to an emergency call.
(B) While engaged in rescue operations.
(C) In the immediate pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of
the law.
(2) This subdivision does not relieve a peace officer from the
duty to operate a bicycle with due regard for the safety of all
persons using the highway.



21200.5. Notwithstanding Section 21200, it is unlawful for any
person to ride a bicycle upon a highway while under the influence of
an alcoholic beverage or any drug, or under the combined influence of
an alcoholic beverage and any drug. Any person arrested for a
violation of this section may request to have a chemical test made of
the person's blood, breath, or urine for the purpose of determining
the alcoholic or drug content of that person's blood pursuant to
Section 23612, and, if so requested, the arresting officer shall have
the test performed. A conviction of a violation of this section
shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred fifty
dollars ($250). Violations of this section are subject to Section
13202.5.



21201. (a) No person shall operate a bicycle on a roadway unless it
is equipped with a brake which will enable the operator to make one
braked wheel skid on dry, level, clean pavement.
(b) No person shall operate on the highway a bicycle equipped with
handlebars so raised that the operator must elevate his hands above
the level of his shoulders in order to grasp the normal steering grip
area.
(c) No person shall operate upon a highway a bicycle that is of a
size that prevents the operator from safely stopping the bicycle,
supporting it in an upright position with at least one foot on the
ground, and restarting it in a safe manner.
(d) A bicycle operated during darkness upon a highway, a sidewalk
where bicycle operation is not prohibited by the local jurisdiction,
or a bikeway, as defined in Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways
Code, shall be equipped with all of the following:
(1) A lamp emitting a white light that, while the bicycle is in
motion, illuminates the highway, sidewalk, or bikeway in front of the
bicyclist and is visible from a distance of 300 feet in front and
from the sides of the bicycle.
(2) A red reflector on the rear that shall be visible from a
distance of 500 feet to the rear when directly in front of lawful
upper beams of headlamps on a motor vehicle.
(3) A white or yellow reflector on each pedal, shoe, or ankle
visible from the front and rear of the bicycle from a distance of 200
feet.
(4) A white or yellow reflector on each side forward of the center
of the bicycle, and a white or red reflector on each side to the
rear of the center of the bicycle, except that bicycles that are
equipped with reflectorized tires on the front and the rear need not
be equipped with these side reflectors.
The reflectors and reflectorized tires shall be of a type meeting
requirements established by the department.
(e) A lamp or lamp combination, emitting a white light, attached
to the operator and visible from a distance of 300 feet in front and
from the sides of the bicycle, may be used in lieu of the lamp
required by paragraph (1) of subdivision (d).



21201.3. (a) A bicycle or motorized bicycle used by a peace
officer, as defined in Section 830.1 of, subdivision (a), (b), (c),
(d), (e), (f), (g), or (i) of Section 830.2 of, subdivision (b) or
(d) of Section 830.31 of, subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 830.32
of, Section 830.33 of, subdivision (a) of Section 830.36 of,
subdivision (a) of Section 830.4 of, or Section 830.6 of, the Penal
Code, in the performance of the peace officer's duties, may display a
steady or flashing blue warning light that is visible from the
front, sides, or rear of the bicycle or motorized bicycle.
(b) No person shall display a steady or flashing blue warning
light on a bicycle or motorized bicycle except as authorized under
subdivision (a).



21201.5. (a) No person shall sell, or offer for sale, a reflex
reflector or reflectorized tire of a type required on a bicycle
unless it meets requirements established by the department. If there
exists a federal Consumer Product Safety Commission regulation
applicable to bicycle reflectors, the provisions of that regulation
shall prevail over provisions of this code or requirements
established by the department pursuant to this code relative to
bicycle reflectors.
(b) No person shall sell, or offer for sale, a new bicycle that is
not equipped with a red reflector on the rear, a white or yellow
reflector on each pedal visible from the front and rear of the
bicycle, a white or yellow reflector on each side forward of the
center of the bicycle, and a white or red reflector on each side to
the rear of the center of the bicycle, except that bicycles which are
equipped with reflectorized tires on the front and rear need not be
equipped with these side reflectors.
(c) Area reflectorizing material meeting the requirements of
Section 25500 may be used on a bicycle.



21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed
less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction
at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following
situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle
proceeding in the same direction.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a
private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but
not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles,
pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes)
that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge,
subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this
section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for
a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the
lane.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway,
which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or
more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or
edge of that roadway as practicable.



21203. No person riding upon any motorcycle, motorized bicycle,
bicycle, coaster, roller skates, sled, or toy vehicle shall attach
the same or himself to any streetcar or vehicle on the roadway.



21204. (a) No person operating a bicycle upon a highway shall ride
other than upon or astride a permanent and regular seat attached
thereto.
(b) No operator shall allow a person riding as a passenger, and no
person shall ride as a passenger, on a bicycle upon a highway other
than upon or astride a separate seat attached thereto. If the
passenger is four years of age or younger, or weighs 40 pounds or
less, the seat shall have adequate provision for retaining the
passenger in place and for protecting the passenger from the moving
parts of the bicycle.



21205. No person operating a bicycle shall carry any package,
bundle or article which prevents the operator from keeping at least
one hand upon the handlebars.



21206. This chapter does not prevent local authorities, by
ordinance, from regulating the registration of bicycles and the
parking and operation of bicycles on pedestrian or bicycle
facilities, provided such regulation is not in conflict with the
provisions of this code.



21207. (a) This chapter does not prohibit local authorities from
establishing, by ordinance or resolution, bicycle lanes separated
from any vehicular lanes upon highways, other than state highways as
defined in Section 24 of the Streets and Highways Code and county
highways established pursuant to Article 5 (commencing with Section
1720) of Chapter 9 of Division 2 of the Streets and Highways Code.
(b) Bicycle lanes established pursuant to this section shall be
constructed in compliance with Section 891 of the Streets and
Highways Code.


21207.5. Notwithstanding Sections 21207 and 23127 of this code, or
any other provision of law, no motorized bicycle may be operated on a
bicycle path or trail, bikeway, bicycle lane established pursuant to
Section 21207, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreational trail,
unless it is within or adjacent to a roadway or unless the local
authority or the governing body of a public agency having
jurisdiction over such path or trail permits, by ordinance, such
operation.


21208. (a) Whenever a bicycle lane has been established on a
roadway pursuant to Section 21207, any person operating a bicycle
upon the roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic
moving in the same direction at that time shall ride within the
bicycle lane, except that the person may move out of the lane under
any of the following situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle, vehicle, or
pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if the
overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a
private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid
debris or other hazardous conditions.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) No person operating a bicycle shall leave a bicycle lane until
the movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after
giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in Chapter 6
(commencing with Section 22100) in the event that any vehicle may be
affected by the movement.


21209. (a) No person shall drive a motor vehicle in a bicycle lane
established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207 except as follows:

(1) To park where parking is permitted.
(2) To enter or leave the roadway.
(3) To prepare for a turn within a distance of 200 feet from the
intersection.
(b) This section does not prohibit the use of a motorized bicycle
in a bicycle lane, pursuant to Section 21207.5, at a speed no greater
than is reasonable or prudent, having due regard for visibility,
traffic conditions, and the condition of the roadway surface of the
bicycle lane, and in a manner which does not endanger the safety of
bicyclists.



21210. No person shall leave a bicycle lying on its side on any
sidewalk, or shall park a bicycle on a sidewalk in any other
position, so that there is not an adequate path for pedestrian
traffic. Local authorities may, by ordinance or resolution, prohibit
bicycle parking in designated areas of the public highway, provided
that appropriate signs are erected.



21211. (a) No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class
I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the
Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or private bicycle
path or trail, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering
impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any
bicyclist.
(b) No person may place or park any bicycle, vehicle, or any other
object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or trail, as specified in
subdivision (a), which impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable
movement of any bicyclist unless the placement or parking is
necessary for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance with the
law.
(c) This section does not apply to drivers or owners of utility or
public utility vehicles, as provided in Section 22512.
(d) This section does not apply to owners or drivers of vehicles
who make brief stops while engaged in the delivery of newspapers to
customers along the person's route.
(e) This section does not apply to the driver or owner of a
rubbish or garbage truck while actually engaged in the collection of
rubbish or garbage within a business or residence district if the
front turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed
simultaneously and the rear turn signal lamps at each side of the
vehicle are being flashed simultaneously.
(f) This section does not apply to the driver or owner of a tow
vehicle while actually engaged in the towing of a vehicle if the
front turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed
simultaneously and the rear turn signal lamps at each side of the
vehicle are being flashed simultaneously.



21212. (a) A person under 18 years of age shall not operate a
bicycle, a nonmotorized scooter, or a skateboard, nor shall they wear
in-line or roller skates, nor ride upon a bicycle, a nonmotorized
scooter, or a skateboard as a passenger, upon a street, bikeway, as
defined in Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any
other public bicycle path or trail unless that person is wearing a
properly fitted and fastened bicycle helmet that meets the standards
of either the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) or
the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), or
standards subsequently established by those entities. This
requirement also applies to a person who rides upon a bicycle while
in a restraining seat that is attached to the bicycle or in a trailer
towed by the bicycle.
(b) Any helmet sold or offered for sale for use by operators and
passengers of bicycles, nonmotorized scooters, skateboards, or
in-line or roller skates shall be conspicuously labeled in accordance
with the standard described in subdivision (a) which shall
constitute the manufacturer's certification that the helmet conforms
to the applicable safety standards.
(c) No person shall sell, or offer for sale, for use by an
operator or passenger of a bicycle, nonmotorized scooter, skateboard,
or in-line or roller skates any safety helmet which is not of a type
meeting requirements established by this section.
(d) Any charge under this subdivision shall be dismissed when the
person charged alleges in court, under oath, that the charge against
the person is the first charge against that person under this
subdivision, unless it is otherwise established in court that the
charge is not the first charge against the person.
(e) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of this
section is an infraction punishable by a fine of not more than
twenty-five dollars ($25).
The parent or legal guardian having control or custody of an
unemancipated minor whose conduct violates this section shall be
jointly and severally liable with the minor for the amount of the
fine imposed pursuant to this subdivision.
(f) Notwithstanding Section 1463 of the Penal Code or any other
provision of law, the fines collected for a violation of this section
shall be allocated as follows:
(1) Seventy-two and one-half percent of the amount collected shall
be deposited in a special account of the county health department,
to be used for bicycle, nonmotorized scooter, skateboard, and in-line
and roller skate safety education and for assisting low-income
families in obtaining approved bicycle helmets for children under the
age of 18 years, either on a loan or purchase basis. The county may
contract for the implementation of this program, which, to the
extent practicable, shall be operated in conjunction with the child
passenger restraint program pursuant to Section 27360.
(2) Two and one-half percent of the amount collected shall be
deposited in the county treasury to be used by the county to
administer the program described in paragraph (1).
(3) If the violation occurred within a city, 25 percent of the
amount collected shall be transferred to and deposited in the
treasury of that city. If the violation occurred in an
unincorporated area, this 25 percent shall be deposited and used
pursuant to paragraph (1).




MOM_RIDAZ420
06.23.08 - 1:03 pm

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I guess it's no big deal then.



Joe Borfo
06.23.08 - 1:10 pm

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We are revisiting the thread and the arguments made before. The way the code is written, if there isn't a posting saying it's illegal to enter the freeway, then it's legal. I'll dig up the thread later.



User1
06.23.08 - 1:17 pm

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Hell even the code posted needlessly above states that you can ride on the freeway. freeway = highway


"21200. (a) Every person riding a bicycle upon a highway has all the
rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver
of a vehicle by this division, including, but not limited to,
provisions concerning driving under the influence of alcoholic
beverages or drugs, and by Division 10 (commencing with Section
20000), Section 27400, Division 16.7 (commencing with Section 39000),
Division 17 (commencing with Section 40000.1), and Division 18
(commencing with Section 42000), except those provisions which by
their very nature can have no application."



User1
06.23.08 - 1:20 pm

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i'm pretty sure freeway != highway.

freeway does not have any cross traffic; highway does..

could be wrong



asparagus
06.23.08 - 1:23 pm

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no you are right
Freeway =Highway
Roadway=Streets



MOM_RIDAZ420
06.23.08 - 1:25 pm

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The terms freeway and highway refer to two different things.

This argument is so asinine. It SPECIFICALLY states that you CANNOT RIDE a bicycle wherever a sign is posted that says such.

How is that so difficult to understand? There is no loophole, period.



kyber
06.23.08 - 1:29 pm

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Kyber, I agree, this is a idiotic threadjacking by User1.

But I what I really want to know is what is a "loophole period"?



Alex Thompson
06.23.08 - 2:00 pm

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kyber -
It SPECIFICALLY states that you CANNOT RIDE a bicycle wherever a sign is posted that says such.

Me -
Yes! That is correct!



User1
06.23.08 - 2:07 pm

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if riding a bicycle on the freeway were legal, why would anyone want to do something so stupid?



indigis
06.23.08 - 2:25 pm

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^Exactly. Yes, let's all go ride on the freeway because it's legal!

The legal justifications are pretty flimsy. And if none of the organizers has offered up a really compelling political justification for riding on the freeway, that's because it's awesomeness is self-evident.



nathansnider
06.23.08 - 2:31 pm

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Wait a second, they used the political angle when they were getting exposer. Go back and listen to the media coverage. They were doing this protest gas prices and gridlock if I'm not mistaken. At lest that's what the media was saying.

And I'm not arguing that this is safe, unsafe or whatever. I'm just saying that in certain sections of the freeways here, where it's not posted to stay off the freeway, it's legal to go on the freeway. At least that's how the law is written.



User1
06.23.08 - 3:00 pm

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1. Legal or Not Legal a cop will ticket you and a judge will find you guilty.
2. Riding the freeway was BOTH fun and a political statement. I ride to protest that damned teapot dome scandal.







indigis
06.23.08 - 3:14 pm

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Just for shits and giggles, here's the reason why I wouldn't be so scared of doing this.
And also for those who haven't seen it before.





bentstrider
06.23.08 - 3:24 pm

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I will pay anyone 20 dollars if they find a freeway in LA that they can legally ride on.

Start searching.



kyber
06.23.08 - 3:38 pm

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lets see the 20 bucks!



User1
06.23.08 - 4:16 pm

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Haven't listened to the NPR thing yet. Will do that soon, but I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see any coherent political statement in the ride. I mean, what change do you want, exactly, and how does this action contribute to bringing that change about? The only statement that I can glean from it is "Bikes - Fuck Yeah!" I happen to agree with that statement, but I don't find it particularly compelling, in the sense that it might actually lead to some political change. Maybe I'm wrong.

The political arguments for the ride are debatable. The legal ones are downright flimsy. If I remember correctly, the only lawyer who responded in the original discussion thread thought the argument that "no signs = legal" wouldn't hold up in court. I mean, it fails the laugh test. The spirit of the law is crystal clear, and it must require a willing suspension of disbelief to argue that you could successfully fight a ticket if you take it to court.

Fun? Yes.
Political? Maybe.
Legal? Not a chance.



nathansnider
06.23.08 - 6:44 pm

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I originally thought that there was little value in the ride politically, but judging from the reaction that I've seen I have reversed my opinion.... Everyone I've spoken to has reacted in a "fuck yeah" sort of way. both drivers and cyclists from other cities from other walks of life... people admire the bravado. it speaks to something in all of us that says fuck this bullshit system we are forced to live in. and that's political to the highest power.

I was approached several times on the Aids ride with people asking about it having seen my MR jersey and everyone thought it was the shit. People rally around the underdog if the underdog represents the good fight and seeing bicycle riders perform civil disobedience by riding where it is illegal in the midst of a parking lot of frustrated idiots is incredibly delightful. I'm sad I havent been able to get out to any of the rides yet. The fact that the BEAST SIDE is now repping is joyous oh so joyous. I WILL BE ATTENDING THE NEXT RIDE.

searching around for a "legal" entrance to the freeway is bush admin tactics and frankly for pussies. If you are going to be a BEAR be a GRIZZLY. Civil disobedience is PATRIOTIC. searching for a loophole to excuse yourself of wrong is some shit for Wolfowitz and his crew of war criminals and lawyers.



Roadblock
06.23.08 - 6:57 pm

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Plus if you are looking for a loophole, it kind of takes away from your message.

Why not just stand up and say "fuck this shit" rather than weaseling around saying "neener neener, you can't get me."

Riding on the 101 was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. Not to mention I've never gotten from Silver Lake Blvd to 3rd street DTLA that fast on a bike before!



kyber
06.23.08 - 8:03 pm

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USER1
Have you done any of these Freeway Rides yet?



sexy
06.23.08 - 9:02 pm

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Sexy is on a mission!



nathansnider
06.23.08 - 9:05 pm

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stevo you had me fucking scratching my head the other day with this photo. EPIC LULZZZzzz



Roadblock
06.23.08 - 9:15 pm

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"I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not so desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right (of way for bicycles)."
~Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience, 1849






pavetheplanet
06.23.08 - 11:55 pm

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I still think the Freeway photo would be a fantastic shot for the front page of the LA Times. I just don't know who to submit it to.






stevo4
06.23.08 - 11:59 pm

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The ride organizers and creators for crimanimalz need a SERIOUS congrats for conceiving this. The ride:

1. Breakthrough idea. The amount of mass media attention proves this.
2. Positive PR ride. Pick a political/social reason why you're doing it. They're all good.
3. F.U.N. with much awesomeness.
4. 10/10 on building MR awareness. Anecdotal, but i mentioned to my 22 year old (ucla pre-med) niece who is not a bicycle rider about the freeway ride and she immediately ID'd it with MidnightRidazz.



indigis
06.24.08 - 10:14 am

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5. And most importantly (good job, alex) it says, "you can shut down SMCM but we won't go away, we'll just change the fucking rules".



indigis
06.24.08 - 10:16 am

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Indigis! Glad you made it! It was great finally putting a face to the name!



boogalooSHRIMP
06.24.08 - 10:33 am

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I think Indigis and Ingrid should get toghether. There names are almost the same. I wonder what their kid's name's would be?

Or, maybe it would be ...Dig(abel)? sorry. having a 6 year old moment.






stevo4
06.24.08 - 10:38 am

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For the record... I'm not worried about a citation. If I get two citations a month, it's cheaper than gasoline. The time spent in jail would probably be less than the accumulative time spent in traffic.

Bayoooks on your fayse!



boogalooSHRIMP
06.24.08 - 10:39 am

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Indigrid



boogalooSHRIMP
06.24.08 - 10:39 am

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Dear Mr. Shrimp,
Do you perchance have any extra spoke cards? I went to the bathroom and apparently missed their proliferation.



sezdaniel
06.24.08 - 3:33 pm

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indigis rocks!





ingipet
06.24.08 - 3:34 pm

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Yes I do.. How do I get one to you? Email me flunkycarter@gmail.com



boogalooSHRIMP
06.24.08 - 6:13 pm

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RB -
searching around for a "legal" entrance to the freeway is bush admin tactics and frankly for pussies. If you are going to be a BEAR be a GRIZZLY. Civil disobedience is PATRIOTIC. searching for a loophole to excuse yourself of wrong is some shit for Wolfowitz and his crew of war criminals and lawyers.


Me -
LOfuckinL!!! Now this is being compared to the Bush Admin?!?!?!? Why stop there? Why not just go all the way and compare it to the Nazi Regime? Hell, you could always delete it if you don't like it!

You hit a new low RB calling people pussies. Congrats!! I've never seen anyone on here do that. Kind of funny it happens to be the owner of the site to be the first here.

For the record I like to know the consequences of the law before attempting something like this. Finding a way to make it legal and just as fun is something I do to lower my chances of spending untold hours and money fighting a charge after the fact. Try it sometimes! I've managed to keep a clean driving record 15 years back. And that's without ever going to traffic school or paying $$$ for one thing or another!

Yes I do practice fighting the man and practicing civil disobediences, I just pick my moments and don't advertise it.

PS: for the record the Bush regime doesn't look for loopholes to run their operations. They just ignore the law. Big difference.



User1
06.24.08 - 9:15 pm

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Try it sometimes! I've managed to keep a clean driving record 15 years back. And that's without ever going to traffic school or paying $$$ for one thing or another!

____

Umm.. I've managed to keep a cleaning record too... SINCE I WENT CAR FREE!!

ZING ZING..

WIZZAO WIZZAO

SHIMMY SHIMMY.. SHAM YOUR FAYSE!!!

WOOOSIE WOOOOOOZZZZ HJJJAAAJJ!!!!!



boogalooSHRIMP
06.25.08 - 9:23 am

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traffic infractions on a bicycle DO NOT go on your driving record. Fines, of course, are a different story.



indigis
06.25.08 - 10:15 am

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webmaster, keep calling it as you see it.

User,

Have you or have you not ridden on any of the Freeway Rides?



sexy
06.25.08 - 10:20 am

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i am glad to have ridden on the 101 to the 110 interchange...

EASTSIDE EXTENSION! crimanimalzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

now, sexy, what of my challenge! the 110 off!

you accepted live on kill radio....

110 off! middle of the night.

my suggestion...get someone to follow us in a car and "shield" us from
"danger"





ingipet
06.25.08 - 10:28 am

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as soon as I'am freet to do this, I'm with it. My responsibilities are pretty deep these days, and I don't know or think I will be getting any relief anytime soon. I would prefer to do this during a week night then a weekend night.

I'm ready as soon as I can,,,,,,,,

NOW the Question remains........

Did or did not USER1 ride on any of the Freeway rides ?



sexy
06.25.08 - 10:47 am

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boogalooSHRIMP -
Umm.. I've managed to keep a cleaning record too... SINCE I WENT CAR FREE!!



Me -
Yeah but look at the resources you used just with that last ticket you fought! That's 4 of my tickets!

ZING ZING..

WIZZAO WIZZAO

SHIMMY SHIMMY.. SHAM YOUR FAYSE!!!

WOOOSIE WOOOOOOZZZZ HJJJAAAJJ!!!!!




User1
06.25.08 - 5:12 pm

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RB,

What would you call someone that deletes their thread on their site cause it looks embarrassing to them?

In regards to moving violations, I believe they go on your driving record if you're driving or riding. I saw a reference here where it is an option with the courts. It's intrigued me enough that I'll do some research regarding this. It's definitely not omitted regardless of the infraction.



User1
06.25.08 - 5:19 pm

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^^^Delete



Joe Borfo
06.25.08 - 5:20 pm

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Oohh ohhwhoo ooowhhoo

I know the answer to that one

A. "WEBMASTER"

________________________________________________________

USER1, you have never answered the question,

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT RIDE ON ANY OF THE FREEWAY RIDES?



sexy
06.25.08 - 5:23 pm

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Allan, regarding dmv record:

CVC 1803(b) reads in pertinent part:

b) The following violations are not required to be reported under subdivision (a):

[...]

(6) Violations for which a person was cited as a pedestrian or while operating a bicycle or a motorized scooter.




indigis
06.25.08 - 5:32 pm

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indigis,

This is in reference to operating a boat and being under the influence. If you read CVC 1803 and it's references, it all pertains to boating. Not sure why the reference to bicycling is in there. I seriously don't think this would get you off of not having any ticket go on your driving record.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc1803.htm





User1
06.25.08 - 6:05 pm

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What, Me Worry?



Joe Borfo
06.25.08 - 6:09 pm

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So, the 10, the 405 and the 101 are all taken care of.

Will the next step be the 110 to 105 interchange? That thing is like a temple of car culture, a sprawling Stonehenge of the modernist technocracy. Those car pool lanes are the flying buttresses on the concrete cathedrals of internal combustion, etc., etc.

Anyway, point being, that's some next-level shit, right thur. Or, failing that, what's next? The 5? The 210?



nathansnider
06.26.08 - 4:24 am

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The entire length of the marina del rey section of the 90! It's a total of what like 3 miles MAX?



FuzzBeast
06.26.08 - 4:34 am

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Slauson to Culver blvd..



FuzzBeast
06.26.08 - 4:40 am

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Allan, you're misreading the statute. The sentence about boats only states that the clerk is to include those convictions ALSO when reporting. Then later it lists the convictions from the whole which are to be excluded from reporting... pedestrian, bicycle, etc.





indigis
06.26.08 - 7:55 am

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For the record I like to know the consequences of the law before attempting something like this. - Mohandas Gandhi



LAWL



Satan on a Tricycle
06.26.08 - 11:25 am

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