Home Invasion
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PC at 02.1.09 - 9:47 pm
Your mom came to my house. So I shot her.
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New plan of action, sleepy gas, and ball-gags.
Take 'em on down to Rusty's old room below.
bentstrider02.1.09 - 10:12 pm
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This sounds like a perfect opportunity to start a bike club! Cheers.
Graham02.1.09 - 11:16 pm
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You shot her with what?
sexy02.1.09 - 11:35 pm
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AK-47's aren't very accurate if they have had 10,000 rounds fired through them but I can hit 6 out of 7 from over 300yds open site with an AK-47 that isn't wore out. It is the probably the 3rd best firearm I have ever used. The only thing I can hit better with open sites is an SKS chinese assault rifle. It is pretty popular in the states right now and you can fancy it up with all kind of toys to go with it. We have the original wood stock and riser sites. It is amazing how accurate that thing is in low light situations. If you don't hit it first shot, just keep hitting the trigger, it will fall eventually. We have a feral dog problem in our sheep.... Well we used to :)
User102.1.09 - 11:37 pm
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Hyperbole and sarcasm.
PC02.1.09 - 11:37 pm
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For in world war one it was the maxim that was used by both sides and in world war two, the most common was the BAR Automatic, the 30cal, and a range of different machine guns, but it was the germans that started to standardize their weopons under Reichs Minister of Armaments Albert Speer and for the German army it was the MG-42.The standardization happend to the Nato alliance where the 5.56, and the 7.62 rounds respectivley,and their primary gun for infantry support for Canada and the USA is the M-60, and the mounted 50cal. There are many infantry support weapons over the years and through the differnt armies, one thing is certain, and that is the weapon had to be relativley light and durable and reliable
User102.1.09 - 11:38 pm
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Infanteriepatrone 7,9mm / Mauser 7.92x57 amunition
7.92mm ammunition belt boxThis cartridge was used by the german Mauser Karabiner 98K, Gewehr 41, 43 and numerous other rifles as well as in aircraft, vehicle and infantry machine guns. As the german standard rifle cartridgeMauser 7,92x57 Infanteriepatrone it was called Infanteriepatrone 7,9mm ("infantry cartridge"), also known as the 7,9mm - Militärpatrone ("military cartridge") or as Mauser - Standardmunition 7,92x 57 (Mauser as the weapon company that introduced the ammo for its famous 98K rifle; 7.92mm is the calibre and 57mm the length of the casing (not the chamber as in the US); also, in germany a bore's caliber is measured from land to land). The total production of this cartridge during WW II was 10,475 million (that is over ten billion). Sometimes, esp. among angloamericans, it is also referred to as 8 mm Mauser.
The fired projectile of the Infanteriepatrone had a typical initial energy E0 of 3,700 Joule (sS - projectile of 12.8g at a V0 of 760m/s) but could reach initial energies of over 4,500 Joule (some V-Patronen) depending on the concrete ammunition type and firing weapon.
Between 80 and 90 % of all 7,9mm ammunition produced was of the 7,9 sS (sS for schweres Spitzgeschoss = "heavy pointed bullet") type; the complete cartridge weighed 27g, it was 80.6 mm long and contained 2.7g of gunpowder; the projectile weighed 12.8 g and was 35mm long. When fired from a MG34 or MG42 (as well as from the other rifles using the cartridge) it had a typical V0 of 755 m/s. The regular sS projectile had the following penetration performance: 85cm of dry pine wood at 100m, 65cm at 400m, 45cm at 800m and 10cm at 1,800m; 10mm of iron at 300m, 7mm at 550m; 5mm of steel at 100m; 3mm at 600m.
The second most used type was the SmK (Spitzgeschoss mit Kern = "pointed bullet with core") bullet that measured 37.2mm, weighed 11.5 g and contained a hardened steel core (about 8% of all produced 7.9mm rounds).
soldier adding tracer rounds to ammo beltAnother type was the SmK L'spur (L'spur = Leuchtspur = "bright trace" = "tracer") bullet that was the previous type combined with a tracer that burned for 800 to 900 m (a little less numerous than the SmK). In the picture at right a soldier is seen preparing a 7.92mm ammunition belt for a machine gun (presumably adding tracers at every seventh round).
The lS (leichtes Spitzgeschoss = "light pointed bullet") which had an aluminum core and therefore weighed only 5.5g which resulted in a higher speed of V0 = 925 m/s but of course also in a shortened total range (the bullet was used mainly in the air defense role; about 4-7% of the total production), the lS-L'Spur which with a length of 37.2mm and a weight of 6.1g was again the tracer version of the lS (less than 1% of total production).
A version produced mainly for use with the MG 17 as aircraft armament was the so-called V-Patrone which had an increased powder charge that increased the V0 by 15%. This ammunition type was available with the PmK projectile ("Phosphor mit Stahlkern" = "phosphor with steel core") or with the B ("Beobachtung" = "Observation") projectile contained a little phosphor and exploded upon impact, the latter ammunition type was also known as the B-Patrone and was used as an incendiary round; both types are not counted in the 7,9mm production
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The final and most interesting (for our purposes) bullet type was the SmK(H). The H stood for Hartkern (hardened core), this was the armor piercing version of the 7,9mm Infanteriepatrone. The projectile had a length of only 28.2mm, weighed 12.5 g and contained a tungsten core that was 22.5 mm long. The propellant gunpowder of the shell was increased to 3.6 g. The bullet had a penetration power of almost 20mm of plain steel at a range of 500m (90° impact angle). However, production of this ammunition type ceased in March 1942 because of an acute shortage of tungsten; still, SmK(H) cartridges continued to be issued to the troops as late as February 1943. while it was still inproduction, this ammo type accounted for 1 to 2 % of the production of 7,9mm Infanteriepatronen.
When the machine guns used the normal sS ammunition they achieved an armor penetration of up to 10mm and more at close ranges. Now, on to the machine guns themselves. Development of the german machine guns went towards a general purpose machine gun, therewith abandoning the differentiation hitherto between light machine guns carried around by the assaulting infantry and heavy machine guns that were intended as stationary support weapons. First developments in this direction were the MG 29 and the MG 30. The latter was not accepted by the german armed forces but by the austrian army; therefore, after austria became part of the third reich, the Wehrmacht eventually had this weapon too. It was also produced during WW II in a small production run for the finnish forces. Another development by the companies Mauser and Metallwarenfabrik Kreuzlingen led to the LMG 32 that formed the basis for the MG 34.
User102.1.09 - 11:38 pm
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Development of the Maschinengewehr 34 ("machine rifle") was officially credited to the chief engineer Louis Stange of the company Rheinmetall in Sömmerda, although most of the development work had been done by Heinrich Vollmer from the company MauserMG 34 LMG Werke in Oberndorf by including details from the LMG 32, the MG Dreyse 13 and the Solothurn MG 30 weapons. It was a very good weapon in terms of quality. However, although the MG 34 was a considerable improvement over the WW I - type weapons (the famous 08/15 machine guns of WW I consisted of 383 single pieces!) this quality in design and finish also made for a comparably slow production and a high price of 327.-- RM per weapon; also, 49 kg of raw material were used to machine the parts from. Although a brilliant design - the weapon immediately was agreed upon as the standart machine gun -, the precision machined parts proved to be very sensitive and prone to malfunction in the harsh conditions of field use. The reload mechanism depended on the recoil forces, the weapon had two triggers, one for single (the upper trigger part) and one for automatic fire (the lower trigger part).
The MG 34 could use both magazine-fed and belt-fed ammunition (the above-mentioned 7.92mm standard infantry ammuntion). Available were Doppeltrommel ("double drum") saddle drum magazines of 75 rounds and gegurtete Munition ("linked/belted ammunition") belts of 50 rounds (weight: 1.5 kg) and 250 rounds (boxed; weight of a filled 250-round belt box: 8.35 kg). The single belts of course could be connected to make an endless belt.In the role as a light machine gun with bipod the weapon often was used with 50-round Gurttrommel, a small drum magazine containing the 50-round belt.MG 34 MMG on tripodTo prepare the weapon to fire the drum magazines - by default all later produced models of the weapon were set to fire belted ammunition - the top cover part of the casing housing the breech mechanism had to be changed to a cover part that could accomodate the saddle magazine ammunition.
As required by the specifications it was the first true general purpose machine gun: with a bipod as a light machine gun it weighed 12.1 kg, mounted on a tripod it was used as a medium machine gun; the small tripod weighed 6.75 kg, the large tripod (that at 400.-- RM was more expensive than the weapon itself) weighed 23.6 kg. The barrel weighed 2kg, the bipod (which cost 15,- RM) weighed 1kg.
MG 34 LMG with bipodThe MG34 was 122.5 cm long, the barrel was 60.0 cm long (other sources 62.5cm) and had a rifling of 4 grooves; as mentioned above, caliber was 7.92mm and the V0 of the bullets was 755 m/s; early models could fire at a rate of either 600 or 1000 rounds per minute by toggling a switch on the pistol grip; soon this was abandoned and most models did not have this switch, the weapons were finished at the factory set at a fixed rate between 800 and 900 rounds per minute. After first experiences on the eastern front experiments with a MG 34 S called version took place: with a shorter barrel of 50cm it achieved rates of fire up to 1,700 rounds per minute; however, this drastically reduced reliability and life expectancy of the weapon to a degree where this weapon was considered unfeasible. Another, actually produced version was the MG34/41. The weapon used many new parts, including the spring of the successor MG42, to achieve it's rate of fire of 1,200 /min. Length of the MG34/41 was 112cm; barrel length 56cm; 1,707 (other sources: 1,705) were built from February to June (other sources: May) 1942.
Life expectancy of the barrel was 5,000 to 6,000 rounds provided that it was changed according to manual. The MG 34 provided for a quick change of barrel: The barrel was connected to the main body by a hinge mechanism; to change the barrel, the body was simply swung to the side and the barrel could be pulled out without having disassemble the breech mechanism. MG 34 with tank barrelBecause of the sensitivity of the MG 34 for dirt and damages in field use, it was preferred to still put this weapon into vehicles even after the MG 42 was introduced and therefore free up the MG 42 for infantry use. The vehicle-mounted version of the MG 34 was fitted with a schwerer Lauf ("heavy barrel") or Panzerlauf ("armor barrel") that compensated for the lesser change of barrel and the armored housing also protected the barrel to a degree.
The MG 34 was produced until the end of the war and a total number of 354,020 was built.
click here for additional color pictures of the MG34.
User102.1.09 - 11:39 pm
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Maschinengewehr 42 ( MG42, MG. 42 )
Mg42 LMG left sideThe comparably complicated construction of the MG 34 restricted mass production, therefore the numbers demanded by the army could never be met. It was soon obvious that a simpler model was needed. The new machine gun was to be manufactrured from pressed and punched steel parts. The proposed construction of the company Metall- und Lackierwarenfabrik Johannes Grossfuss AG in Döbeln looked promising from the very start. It's inventor was a skilled labor by the name of Grunow who was specialized in the technique of punching and pressing steel. He was sent into the regular training for machine gunners in the army to find out what a machine gun's characteristics were to be and then went on to design the MG 42. The MG 34 and the MG 42 are easily discerned even at a quick glance by their barrel housings: while the MG 34 has a round housing with many round cooling holes, the MG 42 has a square housing with oval cooling openings at the left and top side and a large cooling slit on the right side.
The first prototype designated MG 39 was accepted for troop trials in February 1939; it was refined into the the fifth and final prototype, the MG39/41, and sent into a large combat evaluation involving 1,500 MG 39/41. After small detail improvements, mass production was started and the weapon was introduced into the army as the MG 42. Total production of the MG 42 for the german Wehrmacht during WW II was 414,964. The weapon was produced by the companies Mauser Werke AG in Berlin, Gustloff-Werke in Suhl, Grossfuss in Döbeln, Magnet in Berlin and Steyr-Daimler-Puch in Vienna.
MG 42 cut openThe weapon was air-cooled and recoil-operated with a slightly recoiling barrel; the recoil mechanism based on a newly invented construction of a breech with rollers. The belted mauser 7.92mm ammunition was fed from the left.
The unmatched simplicity, functionality and effectiveness of the design not only resulted in a an astonishing ruggedness and immunity to the conditions of front use, it also decreased the amount of resources and raw material necessary to produce one MG 42 to 27.5 kg; it took only 75 work hours to complete a MG 42 as opposed to the 150 necessary for the MG 34; the MG 42 cost only 250.-- RM. Even today it is still regarded by many experts as the best machine gun construction ever.
looking down the barrel of a MG42
It had an overall length of 122.0 cm, a barrel of 53.0 cm and weighed 11.6 kg in the role as a light machine gun equipped with the bipod. Then bipod, the same as on the Mg 34, could be mounted to the front or the center of the gun. In the role as a heavy machine gun it utilised the newly developed Lafette 42 ("mount") that weighed 20.5 kg. The MG42's nominal rate of fire was 1500/min; reportedly, this rate varied to a degree with individual weapons; furthermore, the rate slightly increased in prolonged bursts. The higher rate of fire led to a decreased barrel expectancy when compared with the MG34: the barrel was only good for between 3,500 to 4,000 rounds. Later,. barrels were chrome-plated which lengthened life expectancy a bit; still, the barrel became hot rather fast and had to be changed often; the MG42 accounted for this with an even further simplified barrel change mechanism.
Because of the ruggedness of the MG 42, it was preferred to issue this weapon to the infantry and rather use the MG 34 in vehicle mounts where the MG 34 was less exposed to dirt and damage.
A krummer Lauf ("bent barrel") was tested that was bent 30° from the normal axis. Much like the krummer Lauf available for use with the Sturmgewehr 44 it was intended for firing from defilade, at street corners etc. Naturally, the krummer Lauf wore out rather quick and the idea was deemed unfeasible for a machine gun.
With the acute material shortages of 1944 it was deemed necessary to further simplify to save resources. This resulted in the MG 45, also called MG42V, which modified the breech mechanism of the MG42 so that it didn't completely lock before firing. This increased the theoretical rate of fire even further, the weapon now only weighed 9 kg and - most importantly -production was simplified and needed only steel of minor quality. First tests were undertaken in June 1944, but development dragged on and eventually only ten were ever built.
click here for additional color pictures of the MG42.
User102.1.09 - 11:39 pm
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MG 26(t) / ZB 1926
MG 26(t)
MG 26(t) was the german designation for the czechoslovakian machine gun ZB 1926. It was the product of the search of the czechoslovakian military during the 1920ies for a light machine gun in the same class as the american BAR from 1918. After a long and tedious process over several years that included several weapon trials and competitions, decisions and retaking of decisions, the choice eventually fell upon the Praga 1924, a light machine gun developed by A. Marek, Podrabski and the brothers Václav and Emanuel Holek, at the end of 1924. Originally devised as a belt-fed weapon, it was only accepted after having been redesigned to be magazine-fed.
Because the state company that was to produce the weapon was busy producing Mauser 98 rifles in license for the czech military, the production start for the machine gun was delayed. In the meantime the weapon was improved by V. Holek, and eventually it production started at the czech weapon company Zbrojovka Brno in Brno with the assistance of Skoda. The redesigned weapon was introduced into the czech military at the end of 1926 and received the designation Light Machine Gun Model ZB 1926. The weapon was to become one of the most successful czechoslovakian weapon designs; besides the ones built for the own military, about 38,500 were exported to several countries.
When germany occupied czechoslovakia in march 1939, the ZB 1926 was incorporated into the german army under the designation MG 26(t), the suffix (t) denominating a captured weapon of czech ("tschechisch") origin. Together, the germans aquired 31,204 machine guns of the types ZB 1926 and it's successor, the ZB 1930. Another source for these weapons were those captured in Yugoslavia that had originally bought 1,500 ZB 1926, although it is unknown how many of these exactly were captured by the germans.
The MG 26(t) is an air-cooled, gas-pressure operated fixed-barrel machine gun. The necessary gas pressure is taken from a little hole drilled into the barrel near the muzzle and activates a gas piston that opens and moves the breech block, the empty cartridge case is ejected. The loading of a new cartridge and the locking of the breech in the firing position is then done via a strong recoil spring. Although the weapon is viewed by many experts as one of the light machine gun designs, it has the distinct flaw of a too small amount of ammunition because of the use of magazines which only contained 20 rounds.
The weapon by design had always been in the german caliber 7.92mm Mauser; it can be fired both in semi- and full-automatic mode. The weapon used straight or curved magazines inserted from the top that weighed 0.8kg when fully loaded with 20 rounds; the sights of the weapon ranges from 200m to 1,500m in increments of 100m.Other data: Length 116.5cm, barrel length 60cm, rate of fire 520/min, weight 8.9kg (empty = without ammunition), V0 = 760 m/s.
MG 30(t) / ZB 1930
MG 30(t)MG 30(t) is the german designation for the czechoslovakian ZB 1930 light machine gun. During the production of the ZB 1926 the weapon had been continously improved in different aspects, an intermediate model was called ZB 1927. This development eventually resulted in the improved ZB 1930 model, the most visible change being the relocation of the gas-pressure vent away from the muzzle to a position roughly halfway of the barrel. There was also an export version that was changed to be more tolerant to accept a wider range of ammunitions of differing manufacturing quality under the designation ZB 1930 J.
A major customer of this latter model was Yugoslavia with 15,500 weapons bought. Other major international customers of the ZB 1930 were Romania with 17,131 ( a later ally of germany on the eastern front in WW II) and turkey with 9,805 of these machine guns. It should also be noted that this weapon was the basis of the ZGB 1933 that became widely known as the british Bren light machine gun. Weapons of the type ZB 1926 or ZB 1930 also were sometimes called ZB-machineguns or Holek-machineguns after their inventor.
With the occupation of czechoslovakia in 1939 the germans captured 31,204 machine guns of the types ZB 1926 and ZB 1930, mostly the latter. From these, 1,500 were sold to Bulgaria. The ZB 1930 was integrated into german army service under the designation MG 30(t). Production of the weapon was continued under german occupation for the german forces: 10,430 were produced for the SS. In 1941 production was switched over to the german MG 34 and production of the MG 30(t) / ZB 1930 ceased.
The MG 30(t) had the same basic layout as its predecessor, the MG 26(t). Caliber was still 7.92mm Mauser. The range of the sights was increased to 2,000m. The weapon used straight or curved 20-round magazines. Other data: Length 117cm, barrel length 60cm, weight (empty) 9.65kg, rate of fire 600/min, V0 = 760 m/s.
The picture at right shows what appears to be an MG 30(t) in an improvised AA role.
MG 37(t) / ZB 1937
The MG 37(t) was another originally czechoslovakian design; this heavy machine gun originally carried the designation ZB 1937. It was the answer to the already failed quest of the czech military during the 1920ies for a heavy machine gun. In early 1930 Václav Holek and Miloslav Rolcik started development of a heavy machine gun that after several modifications resulted in the heavy machine gun ZB 1935 that showed itself vastly superior to the WW I - era Schwarzlose machine guns then still in use.
The weapon was built in a limited series and also bought by Great Britain, which manufactured it under license by BSA Ltd and under the designation BESA machine gun for use as a vehicle-mounted machinegun for tanks. An intersting fact is that because the BESA was identical to the czech origin, both were in the 7.92mm Mauser caliber. Because the british armor wanted the BESA, but the BESA could not be converted to fire the british .303 ammunition, and because the infantry did not want to switch over all their Enfields to the german caliber, the tankers were granted an exception and even had their own special manufacturing plant in england for producing the german ammunition type.
Of the czech ZB 1935 287 were sold to romania; the weapon was further improved and standardized as the heavy mg for the czech military under the designation ZB 1937. Few weapons had been built before the germans occupied czechoslovakia, most of which were exported to other countries, e.g. romania bought another 8,000 ZB 1937. About 12,000 were built by the czech weapon company in Brno for international custiomers and another 6,000 for the czech military.
The weapon was integrated into german army use under the designation MG 37(t) and production was continued until 1942, when production was switched over to producing parts for german weapon designs. Until then, another 6,411 weapons had been built for the SS.MG 37(t)
The MG 37(t) is air-cooled and gas pressure - operated; when firing the barrel (together with the locked breech block) is recoiling about 2cm, then the bullet passes the gas valve and the gas pressure unlocks the breech from the barrel for the further recoil. The weapon is belt-fed with metal ammunition belts feeding 7.92mm Mauser ammunition from the right side. The ammunition belts by default came in 100-round (weighing 3.4kg) and 200-round (weighing 6.8 kg) lengths but could be linked endlessly.
A light and a heavy barrel were available, the heavy barrel is recognizable by the distinctive cooling gills around the barrel. The weapon had a regulator for the amount of extracted gas pressure from the gas valve on the barrel. The rate of fire could be increased by the switch of a special accelerator from 500 to 700 rounds per minute.
A distinct disadvantage of this weapon was the tedious procedure when changing the barrel. The sights range from 200 to 2,500 meters. Other data: length 109.5cm, barrel length 73cm, weight (empty) 19kg, weight (empty with tripod) 36.5kg, V0 = 790 m/s.
User102.1.09 - 11:40 pm
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I needed something good to get my FUN GUN HARD!
Since you guys weren't doing it!
You let me down!
User102.1.09 - 11:41 pm
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If you had one of these you could go out after dark to get that hamburger you're jonesing for right now. Those tweakers wouldn't stand a chance seeing you roll down the street with full military grade m23 armament with c-57 full range infra-red seeking medium range missiles strapped on the inner casings.
The U.S Army has fielded more than 7,000 of the 14- to 24-ton vehicles since the program began in late 2006.
"Just yesterday [Sept. 8] we had an MRAP strike and we had four soldiers walk away from it," said U.S. Army Lt. Gen. James Thurman, deputy chief of staff for operations, G3. "Compared to an up-armored Humvee against the same type of explosive, nine times out of 10 there are no injuries in an MRAP other than bumps, bruises and scrapes. And we're talking about sizable amounts of explosives."
Thurman said the Army has been taking lessons from the MRAP effort to the joint program office.
There have been drawbacks to the fast pace. Soldiers had less time to train on the vehicles, whose height, size and high center of gravity made them prone to rolling over: 24 accidents in Iraq, fewer than 10 in Afghanistan, Thurman said.
"Every one of these things that we have looked at has been a different situation where you've been on a canal or a situation where the road tips over," he said. "We've brought that into the Army resource board and brought rollover training."
Now, the Army is beginning to implement formal MRAP training along with specific tactics, techniques and procedures designed to cut down on rollovers. Army commanders are getting their first surrogate trainers so soldiers can train on MRAPs with the same characteristics they experience in combat, Speakes said.
"The other thing we were faced with is putting MRAPs into the hands of soldiers and not having the time to develop a robust training infrastructure or the ability to put substantial numbers of soldiers through a training operation back home. The maturing of the MRAP fielding concept has led to rollover training. The real risk was the reality that soldiers were dying in combat without the protection," he said.
Pentagon officials sought to reduce rollovers by buying smaller, redesigned MRAPs, a suggestion from commanders in Afghanistan, where rugged terrain was especially difficult to navigate in heavy vehicles. On Sept. 4, officials ordered 822 smaller MRAPs from Navistar. The rugged terrain in Afghanistan requires that MRAPs be more mobile and capable off-road, MRAP program managers said.
Most of the Sept. 4 order is made up of Navistar's 15-ton MaxxPro Dash, a four-wheel-drive that is 2 to 4 tons lighter, 2 feet shorter in height and 8 inches shorter in length than the previous three MaxxPro variants.
But Army leaders say the compromises were worth it as a response to increasing deaths from roadside bombs.
"I think we also have to remember that we knew going in that the ability to design and build a vehicle that would give us this kind of resistance to IED blasts meant that there were going to be trade-offs, which are high weight and high ground clearance," Speakes said. "All of us who know that traditionally what you want is low ground clearance and minimum weight. It is always a question of trade-off."
"The concept of underbody ballistic protection, V-shaped hull and standoff distance from the blast meant that we would have a challenge with off-road stability. Also, in Iraq we don't have a mature road infrastructure. The typical road along a canal is a built-in challenge to military operations from the Humvee on up, so we knew we were operating with a design that was optimized for protection and have given up certain elements of all-around operational capability."
The Army plans a fleet of 12,000 MRAPs, which will in the future be used less as general-purpose combat vehicles and more for missions such as route clearance, counter-IED, and command and control.
JLTV
The success of the MRAPs' armor and hull has influenced the emerging Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) program, which aims to build a tougher and higher-tech replacement for the Humvee.
"Our strategy right now requires the Army to have 144,000 [Humvees and JLTVs]. It is obvious that MRAPs will not be a dominant part of our TWV [tactical wheeled vehicle] strategy, but we have learned some very important lessons that we will carry forward into our TWV strategy. such as training and protection," Speakes said.
"What we don't want is a light tactical vehicle that weighs 40,000 pounds. Right now we are paying a high price for the protection side of things so we are trying to balance performance, payload and protection as we move forward to JLTV," Speakes said.
Already, the lightest JLTV variant is slated to weigh 14,000 to 16,000 pounds, several tons heavier than an up-armored Humvee.
"The other thing we want, which is something you don't see in MRAP right now, is scalable armor. We've got a substantial body of lessons learned," he said.
The MRAP program will continue to shape combat vehicle decisions, Speakes and Thurman said.
"What size vehicle will you need in the future? What kind of armor? How do you use composites? What is the nature of the threat that we are going to be facing? What we gotta do is focus on the future security needs of the country. I believe we are going to be involved in this for a while. There are no victory laps," Thurman said. "If you take what's going on in Iraq lately if you look up and you've got a government that is starting to function. The economy is better, violence is down."
The pace and jointness of the MRAP program is influencing procurement practices across the services, Speakes said.
"This was the whole Department of Defense effort," Speakes said. "There was Navy PEO [program executive office] and an OSD [office of the secretary of defense] acquisition authority personally chairing the meetings. Everybody was working on joint distribution and joint concepts. That is so far removed from where we were five years ago,"
User102.2.09 - 1:04 am
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@user 1
Seems the dialog is way over the head of hipsters.
Any info on what special ops cycling troops carry ?
Swiss army, Special Forces ?
My Grandfather was a dispatch rider in the Italian Army 1910
During the Italian / Turkish war in Tripoli north Africa.
He would ride to the front with Generals orders. He only carried a pistola. Dont know what kind, but I remember him telling good stories when I was a kid.
Dedicated81802.2.09 - 9:11 am
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818,
What city is your family from?
User102.2.09 - 1:08 pm
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tern02.2.09 - 1:12 pm
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I want to drive one of those things, except I'll put flamethrowers on it instead!!!
bentstrider02.2.09 - 1:31 pm
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