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Attn: User1 aka Alan
Thread started by Richard_Colossus at 10.18.07 - 5:49 pm

I believe you to be a fellow Atheist. If not, I apologize. If so, you might be interested in this:

Hitchens vs D'Souza

Click here.

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Wow, that looks awesome.



seanbonner
10.18.07 - 8:27 pm

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Not to be crass but.. when is the Fuck Jebus ride?



NEWB310
10.19.07 - 1:23 am

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Hitchens vs. D'Souza? I almost want them both to win, because they're both so despicable that it would be gratifying to watch either one lose.



PC
10.19.07 - 2:11 am

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I wholeheartedly agree with PC.



markedge
10.19.07 - 10:50 am

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^^ +2.

That debate sounds like a diarrea tornado. I'm there!

Atheism and religion are the worst. Cynicism and cluelessness is how I roll.



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 12:02 pm

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So what's the beef with Hitchens?



Richard_Colossus
10.19.07 - 12:06 pm

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“all religious belief is sinister and infantile.” -- Hitchens.

That's kind of a shitty thing to say.



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 12:08 pm

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Yeah, the position of a New Atheist is quite harsh and unforgiving...but it rings of the truth.



Richard_Colossus
10.19.07 - 12:17 pm

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Religions is so..........so medieval. We should be passed that and see who it was produced by. Produced by man, for man, to control man. Every book, every belief was mans' creation.

User1 follows science, not superstition!

Richard, there was a debate not too long ago at UCLA,
http://www.samharris.org/site/debates/
This was the shit!



User1
10.19.07 - 12:49 pm

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pshh... Science... what a bore! Theism is so much cooler, especially if you pick the cool gods.

I'm all about Thor. He could waste those MIT nerds.



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 12:59 pm

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Richard_Colossus wrote:

So, what's the beef with Hitchens?

Hitchens is a bloodthirsty, warmongering crypto-neocon chickenhawk asswipe. As George Galloway (no intellectual giant himself) has accurately pointed out, Hitchens, who once had a certain amount of credibility, has squandered most of it since 9/11 and has been reduced to carrying water for the Bush administration and its failed war in Iraq.

I've seen him debating the Iraq war at the Times Book Festival as well as on C-SPAN, and found his debating style to be alternately bullying and self-pitying.

Also, smug, complacent atheism is at least as annoying as smug, complacent "faith."

Plus, dude can't ride a bike for shit.



PC
10.19.07 - 1:06 pm

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I don't know about all this war and water boy stuff, I don't really care how smug a person gets, but when they don't ride a bike in worthy way. I say burn em at the stake.



sexy
10.19.07 - 1:45 pm

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@ PC: You've got to be kidding me. How can one be a former Trotsykist and a Neo-Con at the same time? Hitchens is far from bloodthirtsy and warmongering. While his position on the War are completely different from mine, to say that he carrys water for the Bush administration is laughable. While one may not be a supporter for the war...which I am not, you cannot argue with the fact that Hussein was a bad person.

While other journalists were scouring Lexis Nexis, Hitchens was one of the only serious journalists who traveled to North Korea, Pakistan and Iran....to report.

And I don't have to mention my liking of his positions on religion and Atheism.



Richard_Colossus
10.19.07 - 3:02 pm

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PC-
Also, smug, complacent atheism is at least as annoying as smug, complacent "faith."

Me-
This seems to paint the two in black and white. And we all have seen the problems when doing so from our world leader! The two are not even equal in any way I can see. I have an idea what a complacent faith based person is, not sure what a complacent atheist is, unless you are referring to Hitchens. But Hitchens doesn't represent even remotely the atheists, even though his book is referenced on Wiki under Atheism.

Most atheist I know leave the option that there maybe a god revealed sometime into our future. This includes the possibility that our planet was seeded by "god(s)". They also leave the personal freedom of a person making their own conclusions and live life as they believe. Hard to find such freedom in the religious community!

So yeah I agree with half your assertion PC.





User1
10.19.07 - 3:25 pm

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Richard_Colossus wrote:

You've got to be kidding me. How can one be a former Trotsykist and a Neo-Con at the same time?

You've got to be kidding me. Are you not aware of the left-wing backgrounds of many of the prominent neoconservative thinkers? One of the things that distinguishes neoconservatism from standard conservatism is the utopian idealism that the original neocons brought over from their days in the Sixties left.

Hitchens is far from bloodthirtsy and warmongering. While his position on the War are completely different from mine, to say that he carrys water for the Bush administration is laughable.

I'm not laughing. During both of the debates on the Iraq war that I personally witnessed at Royce Hall, Hitchens made wild claims about discoveries of WMDs that were going to be announced any minute now, and which would surely justify the invasion. They never materialized, of course. It was also fun to watch him defend his personal friend (his words, not mine) Ahmad Chalabi shortly before Chalabi was discredited to the point that even his handlers in the Bush Administration had to abandon him. Later, during the Galloway-Hitchens debates, he stooped to the level of defending the Bush Administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath in New Orleans.

While one may not be a supporter for the war...which I am not, you cannot argue with the fact that Hussein was a bad person.

You know who else was a bad person? Hitler. What a dick. Seriously.



PC
10.19.07 - 3:33 pm

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Oh god, listen to these boring atheists. These posts keep getting longer and longer. Blah blah, this is worse than college.

I just found out Thor had a father named Odin, and look at this badass picture I found on google images. My religion kicks ass! Fuck yeah!



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 3:35 pm

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You can just hear him say "shut up you atheists or I'll bash you with this pole!" Yeah!



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 3:36 pm

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User 1 wrote:

Most atheist I know leave the option that there maybe a god revealed sometime into our future. This includes the possibility that our planet was seeded by "god(s)". They also leave the personal freedom of a person making their own conclusions and live life as they believe.

I guess you hang with a better class of atheists. Most of the ones I know are convinced--convinced!--that there is no god, and they're just as impervious to opposing argument as the most closed-minded Christian.



PC
10.19.07 - 3:41 pm

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City Hobgoblin,

You go on girl and get your fixation for neked men!

What eva floats ya boat!!!!



User1
10.19.07 - 3:45 pm

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Dude. I just got called a girl. Awesome.



City Hobgoblin
10.19.07 - 3:54 pm

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Hail Pasta!



seanbonner
10.19.07 - 7:29 pm

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City Hobgoblin:

Thor = Lame
Loki = WAYBETTERTHANTHOR

Anyone born when there Mother was hit by a lightning bolt thrown by their Father is an automatic win.
Loki also shape-shifts, even into women to exploit others weaknesses.
Hooray Loki!



NEWB310
10.20.07 - 10:58 am

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I like the that we know how to channel our energies in a positive way and express ourselves without being ridiculed and persecuted. anyone know anything about the church of Goolge?

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/forum/index.php?s=4256798c42a1387872ecd97df3d06d0e



dannyzuko
10.20.07 - 11:20 am

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odin is the god of war.
i read one of dineshs books in high school. i felt so cool when everyone else was wasting their time with kafka.



ruinedbyidiots
10.20.07 - 11:30 am

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Newb310... wow, nice god. With so many cool religions out there, why would anyone want to be a nerdy wordy atheist?

The theists win the whole crappy debate! Yeah!



City Hobgoblin
10.20.07 - 11:47 am

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PWNED!





ephemerae
10.22.07 - 9:08 am

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More of the above is available here Logic Uber Alles



ephemerae
10.22.07 - 9:09 am

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User1
10.23.07 - 5:36 pm

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God is a woman and his name is ERIS!



Joe Borfo
10.24.07 - 8:37 am

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ATTN



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