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Dissapointed
Thread started by franz at 10.13.09 - 5:07 am

In between enjoying some Freak Bike Fall, The Oregon Manifest, and battling a fever I decided to read the good old MR forum for some good ol' LA bs.

After reading all of the drama and still being relatively undecided I actually listened to 30 Seconds to Mars.

Listened to 30 Seconds to Mars. I want to you ruminate on that for a minute, did any of you subject yourself to this?

Why? Why, would you do this to yourselves. Where is the art? Where in this bland Hollywood pop emo concoction is something that represents you, and perhaps more importantly is it something you want to represent? 30 Seconds to Mars is not an artistic endeavor it is a vehicle. No, not like a bicycle, perhaps a freight train would be a good analogy, and I'm gonna go 19th century with it just to add a little flavor.

30 seconds to Mars is a box car on the Virgin Records freight train. This Freight train is in turn owned by the Capitol Music Group Freight Co. which is in turn owned by the EMI transportation conglomerate which is then itself owned by the Terra Firma Capital Partners Robber Baron.

Jared Leto is a commodity. In this case (since I'm so clever) we'll call him a cow. Jared however is a special cow, Jared is a cow that shits money and produces overly acidic milk. This in turn provides the corporate freight train with another source of income to fuel their ever growing expansion westward. Warner Bros. fertilizer has already figured out a way to harvest Jared the Cows shit money. Capitol Music Freight Co. sees this sits down and discusses,

"We need Jared the Cow, He poops money!"
"Interesting, What else does he do?"
"Well if you squeeze this thing here long enough a sourish, yet soothing, warm white cream comes out"
"Disgusting!"
"Agreed, but Teenage girls Love it."
"Sold, bring me Jared the Cow."

This is how I imagine the conversation went although there probably would have been more cum jokes in an actual boardroom. Of course when Robber Baron Terra Firma Capital Partners hears about this they realize they need to get all of the Jared the Cow action and start planning a EMI Warner Bros. marriage so the they get all of the benefits of the milk and the poop.

Where does this place you? Well it seems to me after all this has finished up if you worked for and got paid a PBJ and Redbull, you were a little upset at not getting exactly what was agreed upon, but what were you expecting your expendable you're the Chinese immigrant worker get back to work. If you got paid a hundred bucks you seem pretty happy and wonder why everyone around you is so angry, and you're kind of indignant that people are treating the boss so bad. That makes you the infamously pleasant work foreman in this little metaphor. If you got paid an untold amount to wrangle up all this talent well you're pretty silent since you made off pretty well. Hopefully the people who were paid off will smooth things over and if not what the hell they're just Chinaman anyway what do they know. That makes you worker bees at the Virgin MegaTrain.

Where does that leave us? Well I'm sure you probably didn't expect to get called a dim hearted railroad foreman and you certainly didn't expect Chinaman. If you were a worker bee you probably want to be one so keep going, it's the only way to middle managment.

The point off this allegory, working for the railroad sucked unless you owned the damn railroad. The cool job of the time was riding around on those badass lamplighter tall bikes all night and perhaps indulging in a few libations. Railroads, what were you thinking?



Just to head off a few questions or concerns.
A. I don't care how many threads there are on the topic.This place is filled with crap anyway.
B. Yes I know they filmed a bike themed music video last month here in PDX. They were naked, having fun, and was for a much better band. It sounded awesome.


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I felt bad about making a long, pretentious post about this topic...until I saw this. Thank you, Franz. Even in retirement, you are the glue that holds Midnight Ridazz together.

And with your hair like that? It hurts to look at you.



PC
10.13.09 - 5:22 am

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reading this thread title, all i can think about is Isaac singing that DISAPPOINTMENT song.



tinycities
10.13.09 - 5:33 am

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In those days, I was a former teamster who was losing his current herds of free-range cattle to choo-choo train collisions.



bentstrider
10.13.09 - 6:26 am

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dude, "chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature..asian american please.



la duderina
10.13.09 - 7:34 am

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$100 is not enough.



imachynna
10.13.09 - 7:37 am

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I'm of Asian-descent and I wasn't bothered by its usage.

Anywho, the event is over and done with.
The sky hasn't fallen and the Earth's crust is still in one place.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by la duderina
10.13.09 - 8:16 am

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Thank you, Franz. Good to hear from you.



mr rollers
10.13.09 - 8:39 am

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tl;dr



spiraldemon
10.13.09 - 8:46 am

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Hi Franz,
Jared Leto is looking for a still photographer for their new album cover. The shot involves a bunch of bikes. It pays 5K. Are you available?



marino
10.13.09 - 9:07 am

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A very thoughtful piece, which does a good job of suming up our situation down here.



Creative Thing
10.13.09 - 9:08 am

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don't mind the usage of "chinaman"...

but I'm bummed that dissapointed was spelled wrong...



adrian
10.13.09 - 9:41 am

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or should I say "dissapointed"?



adrian
10.13.09 - 9:42 am

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Thank you Franz.


well, at least they are being called "fans" and not Midnight Riders....


the thing is, the conversation is no longer about "selling out" being that now adays so many have that most people would, it's about how much are you selling out for.



Roadblock
10.13.09 - 9:46 am

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Marino. it's one thing to shoot a photo of a celebrity for a lot of money. it's another thing to lend your "brand" of culture to a celebrity and associate your brand of culture with the celebrity's "brand" of culture.


I will take the job. Who wants to model for it?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by marino
10.13.09 - 9:48 am

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+ 1000 for Dudarina

Always pulling out the lebowski references.






Foldie
10.13.09 - 9:50 am

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Umm... actually it's 'Disappointed'...



JOKER
10.13.09 - 9:55 am

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You gaise need some Prozac.



Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 10:03 am

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How much does this job pay?



la duderina
responding to a comment by Roadblock
10.13.09 - 10:06 am

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WOW .... That was awesome Franz. No I didn't listen to that 30 seconds mars band and I won't . I'll know who Jared Leto is, I'll know who Kevin Federline and Nick (Jessica's Husband) I don't his last name tho, but I won't go that far. I won't listen to the music.

aahhha I just might go and listen to it. no I don't think I want to waste my time. I'm actually more interested in reading these fourms then taking a chance to listen to some new music I might like.

Do they play them on KIIS FM?



sexy
10.13.09 - 10:14 am

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Ok I did it. I went to youtube and listened and watched a video from 30 seconds to mars.
"The Kill" to be exact.

The music is something that I wouldn't choose to listen to again, but the video was incredible. Great story line, great production valve, the location choice was very pleasing to the eye, and the guys do look like 1st rate actors. I could see how these guys could make a company money. I'll be interested to see how this video they are working on now is going to look.



sexy
10.13.09 - 10:54 am

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Wow Frza. Great analogy.





Coe coe buttaa
10.13.09 - 11:12 am

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"Where does this place you?"

--Can i be the guy sitting on a rocking chair, on the dock of the Railroad station, sipping whiskey, saying "that train right ova hur is a bad idea... im guessin someone shouduv gone ahead and tol dem boys sumptin that there machine is gonna wreck dis town here... but eh, what the hell... did you see ol' suzie in that new dress...mmmm, mmm, mmmm".





md2
10.13.09 - 11:22 am

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So when are we going to Portland again?



Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 11:23 am

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I give up, when?



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 11:24 am

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dignity don't pay the bills.

and hey, look at it this way, by being in the video you are directly contributing to the death of the fixie/hipster/whateverthefuck bike trend. it's at it's peak and maybe this bit of nonsense will be enough to push it over the edge.

major labels don't decide what's cool, they suck the last bit of life out of what's cool and watch it die. we'll all be back to our quiet lives of f.u.n. and b.u.i.'s soon enough.


re: point b - the flaming lips are on warner bros. how does the fact that they were "naked, having fun, and was for a much better band" make it any different?



slowrighthand
10.13.09 - 11:28 am

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EXTRA, EXTRA!!!

Read All About It!!

The justifications have woke up from their video shoot, and are coming in... Forum nonsense continues.


In other News:
Calif Gov "allows" gays to remain married... that was nice of him.



md2
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
10.13.09 - 11:31 am

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Karma



Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 11:32 am

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Had to listen because of all this hubbub. Yes, terrible. Sounds like everything else like this. How do they all sound the same and yet still shit money?




0gravity
10.13.09 - 11:33 am

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Karma Police



Foldie
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 11:33 am

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haha...i was there for a few hours on sunday to hang out, but wasn't one of the people that stayed all night/got paid, so i have nothing to justify.

if i had gone to that shoot with the intentions of getting paid, it would actually rank near the bottom of the list of ways i sell my soul to corporate music in the average week, but that's life.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by md2
10.13.09 - 11:42 am

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We know what you are, now we're just trying to agree on the price.



alicestrong
10.13.09 - 11:44 am

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dignity don't pay the bills
Mine does. You know what doesn't though? $100 and a sandwich.



canadienne
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
10.13.09 - 11:50 am

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but that's because you're from canada, where dignity is socialized.

and actually, $100 and some food for riding a bike helped keep a roof over several people's heads this month and their stomach filled for the day.


i'm completely against the exploitation of our culture for a shitty music video, but i completely support those that went, had a good time, and were able to make some money that they desperately needed.

and thank you to those (lauren especially) that saw it as a way to help their friends and did what they could to make sure that happened.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by canadienne
10.13.09 - 11:59 am

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MOAR LIEK 30 SECONDS TO FART! AMI RITE?



sezdaniel
10.13.09 - 12:04 pm

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So where do people draw the line? I am looking for talented actors to be in a bike related porn. Must show skin and will pay $100 for full day plus free Kogi BBQ and if your good some pinkberry to boot.

If interested contact me at fluffersellout@Isoldmyassfor$100.com



Foldie
10.13.09 - 12:05 pm

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HAHAHAHAHA THAT SHIT IS TOO FUNNY!




818rider
responding to a comment by Foldie
10.13.09 - 12:10 pm

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You're gonna start paying people to go to crank mob?!

(oh no i di'nt)



canadienne
responding to a comment by Foldie
10.13.09 - 12:11 pm

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that's not a real email , but Jeff would have responded.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Foldie
10.13.09 - 12:11 pm

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utter nonsense! get real. nobody is that dumb.
the hyperbole used in your analogy as argument is an unacceptable logical fallacy.



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Foldie
10.13.09 - 12:16 pm

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Whatever... I think if we looked into the matter... we would start off feeling for your version of the story... until we see whats really in your pockets:





Just say why you wanted to do the video... we dont care... we already know



md2
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
10.13.09 - 12:29 pm

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to make out with j-let?

i already did that on barchirpz



slowrighthand
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10.13.09 - 12:39 pm

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_iJunes
10.13.09 - 12:42 pm

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Aw snap, I miss Portland!



jonnyboy
10.13.09 - 1:10 pm

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I had an interesting and sufficiently witty post all done up and it seems to have disappeared.

Portland is Beautiful!



franz
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10.13.09 - 3:57 pm

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Into the night
Desperate and broken
The sound of a fight
Father has spoken

We were the kings and queens of promise
We were the victims of ourselves
Maybe the children of a lesser God
Between Heaven and Hell
Heaven and Hell

Into your eyes
Hopeless and taken
We stole our new lives
Through blood and pain
In defense of our dreams
In defense of our dreams

We were the Kings and Queens of promise
We were the victims of ourselves
Maybe the Children of a lesser God
Between Heaven and Hell
Heaven and Hell

The age of man is over
A darkness comes and all
These lessons that we learned here
Have only just begun

We were the Kings and Queens of promise
We were the victims of ourselves
Maybe the Children of a Lesser God
Between Heaven and Hell

We are the Kings
We are the Queens
We are the Kings
We are the Queens




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10.13.09 - 4:07 pm

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Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 4:14 pm

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"Hatred can become like food. It gives you this energy that you can, like, live off of."





theroyalacademy
10.13.09 - 4:25 pm

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New lyrics post video

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Into the night
Desperate and broke
The sound of a ride
Leto has spoken

You were the Ridazz and Extras of promise
You were the victims of our sales
Maybe the exploits of a lesser purpose
Between Downtown and a Pier
Downtown and a Pier

Onto your streets
The hopeless and taken
We stole your new culture
Through dollars and dreams
In defense of our scheme
In defense of our scheme

You were the Ridazz and Extras of promise
You were the victims of our sales
Maybe the exploits of a lesser purpose
Between Downtown and a Pier
Downtown and a Pier

The age of ride on is over
A darkness comes and all
These lessons that we learned here
Have only just begun

You were the Ridazz and Extras of promise
You were the victims of our sales
Maybe the exploits of a lesser purpose
Between Downtown and a Pier
Downtown and a Pier

We are the Rehashed
We are the Forgettable
We are the Fraud
We are the Victims, actually



md2
responding to a comment by coldcut
10.13.09 - 4:29 pm

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try harder next time.



coldcut
responding to a comment by md2
10.13.09 - 4:32 pm

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so what you gonna do with all your money?

any left over PB&Js?

Sure am hungry.



md2
responding to a comment by coldcut
10.13.09 - 4:34 pm

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i'm gonna buy crappy rap albums.



coldcut
responding to a comment by md2
10.13.09 - 4:36 pm

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too bad... if you need help picking out the dope shit.. let me know



md2
responding to a comment by coldcut
10.13.09 - 4:36 pm

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i'm picking out all your favorites. duh!



coldcut
responding to a comment by md2
10.13.09 - 4:37 pm

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Pick this one up first then... and play it after every time you see the new 30 seconds to Mars video....






md2
responding to a comment by coldcut
10.13.09 - 4:46 pm

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you should listen to this:





coldcut
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10.13.09 - 4:52 pm

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This is fun... okay.. okay... first, i would point out... if youre perceptive of wanna-bes, then why are you in this groups next video:





After I read about how you felt ashamed and robbed, I just said:





md2
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10.13.09 - 4:58 pm

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just to stay on the current topic, here's a video:




And I would have gone... just to get a first hand look at how they make these videos and to hang out with friends... and fuck it... for the PBJ (keep the redbull bs) And had they offered to pay me I would have told them to "shove it... I'm here for my friends."





GodLovesUgly
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10.13.09 - 5:07 pm

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One thing is for sure... there are too many of these:





GodLovesUgly
10.13.09 - 5:09 pm

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SERIOUS DE JA VU RIGHT NOW.

I wonder what that means?



Joe Borfo
10.13.09 - 5:10 pm

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hahaha...





coldcut
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10.13.09 - 5:11 pm

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That one wasnt a good reply... come on...






md2
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10.13.09 - 5:14 pm

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you talking...




coldcut
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10.13.09 - 5:26 pm

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I did it for the hipster PUSS-AY.



imachynna
10.13.09 - 5:26 pm

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that song was dedicated to jean michel basquiat....(much respect)

I decline to continue... you win.



md2
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10.13.09 - 5:32 pm

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i share this "win" with you. cheers.



coldcut
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10.13.09 - 5:46 pm

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nobody cares about you damn youtube videos.



canadienne
10.13.09 - 5:58 pm

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pOsT MoRE DaWgIeEs!

NoBdY CrAEz BoUt cAnAda DaWg. FuCk gLeNdAlE AyE! oN ThE ReAl.



midnytehustla
10.13.09 - 6:00 pm

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videos currently playing... i can't hear you.



coldcut
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10.13.09 - 6:02 pm

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I agree with canadienne.
You guys are silly.


Also, midnytehustla needs a little work; I ain't gon' lie.



imachynna
10.13.09 - 6:03 pm

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i rode in that video, i got paid, i ate sammiges, drank red bull, and had an awesome time with my friends dancing in the middle of the night.

and OMG, Jared Leto is soooo dreamy...

anyone who wants to toss around words like sell out, corporate whore, or dignity can suck mai balls while i tune in to MTV wearing my Nikes and eating McDonalds. if you suck it good, i might let you have a french fry or two.

its understandable to question ones motivation for this, but what purpose does casting judgments serve? So judge not lest ye be judged - it's so great one can point fingers and link a chain of capitalism. yipee for Econ 101!

i agree that they should have approached us differently and used our people for production and art dept. stuff, but im sure it would have been a huge cluster fuck to coordinate that, and im guessing they wanted to pay their own people... just a guess...

on the other side, lauren and courage both did awesome jobs with getting riders to represent, and give them ideas for wardrobing this shitty band. and richie with the tall tall bike and feather duster helmet?! pure awesomeness

yes, this shitty, sour milk producing cow. im not a fan, and you will never hear me listening to their music, but i like connecting with new people, and putting myself within interesting experiences across the board (i've backpacked Europe, been to Burning Man multipile times, snowshoed into the wildnerness to build an igloo, hopped a train up north and hitchhiked through numerous states. I don't own TV or microwave, don't drive a car and i don't eat meat just to give you perspective).

that being said, everyone who was in the video should have been paid, and paid well more than $100 - im pretty sure they paid the extras (who you could clearly tell were the hired help with their ripped shirts, beach cruisers, and "grunged" makeup)

at the end of the day, you just have to look within yourself and do whats right for you.

its easy to judge and make generalizations.

atom out.



Aqueous Atom
10.13.09 - 6:05 pm

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So, I wasn't aware of ANY of this (I really should read MR more often) but apparently (and this is news to me too) my girlfriend (Liz, many of you have met her) reads a lot of celebrity gossip blogs.

So, she read something about Jared Leto hosting a bike ride in Los Angeles, and asked me if it had something to do with Midnight Ridazz. She sent me the link:

30 Seconds To Mars Film A New Music Video
and
30 Seconds To Mars Continue Filming Their New Music Video

Sorry for stirring the shit this much more, but in light of what I've been reading in this thread, these quotes from someone who is well outside of the bike scene are just too funny:

"I kinda love Jared Leto’s white bike … and I really love that 30StM invited their fans to come out and be a part of their new music video. I can’t say that I even know any of the bands songs but I am well aware that they are very committed to their very loyal fans and do their best to include them whenever possible."

Talk about terrible taste mixed with blatant misinformation.

Keep it real in LA guys.



Hal
10.13.09 - 6:12 pm

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Maybe with a little bit of luck, everyone will think these riders were fans of the band.

And MR will live happily ever after.



User1
responding to a comment by Hal
10.14.09 - 12:54 am

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Oh yeah, loved the new lyrics!



User1
responding to a comment by md2
10.14.09 - 12:57 am

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She's the only reason I ever cared for that sleepy show.



bentstrider
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10.14.09 - 1:33 am

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Obligatory.



bananaphone
10.14.09 - 2:08 am

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