Fixie Hubs
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stillline at 03.26.09 - 6:19 pm
Every fixie hub I ever owned has stripped off the lockring after a few thousand miles and I have to switch it over to the other side. This happened again just this morning on my tallbike.
Right in the middle of an intersection the hub just turned into a freewheel with the cog spinning forward on the hub.
What is the best way to increase the longevity of fixed wheel hubs?
I just bought a Dura-Ace lock-ring instead of the no-name one i was using?
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Ok I just jizzed all over my wheel.
Now what?
stillline03.26.09 - 6:22 pm
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what hubs have you been using? did you grease everything? what about the lockring? was it on tight?
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 6:24 pm
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Wow, I just rode it and it feels awesome THANKS POOP DICK.
stillline03.26.09 - 6:25 pm
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The lockring was pretty tight.
After it stripped off though it was pretty loose. The lock r-ing threads on the hub were all torn up. So were the threads on the lock ring.
This was the first time it ever slipped.
The hubs are the black wide flange hubs that come with Vuelta wheels.
stillline03.26.09 - 6:28 pm
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Thats what you get for buying stolen rims from echo park thieves you P.O.S ...
Debut21303.26.09 - 6:28 pm
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Be careful Jon.
I'll do it.
You know I will.
stillline03.26.09 - 6:29 pm
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do you have a lockring tool to tighten it down yourself or did you use something else?
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 6:30 pm
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I have a lock ring tool and a chain whip.
I switched the cog over to the other side of the hub and bought a new dura-ace lockring.
I am assuming these are just cheap hubs and thats why the threads break after time.
Anyone have experience with this?
stillline03.26.09 - 6:33 pm
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STOP STRIPPIN HOMIE
QUIT BREAKIN OFF UR CRANK ARMS N SHIT TOO, FUUGGG
POOP DICK03.26.09 - 6:37 pm
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i cant find any info on the hubs that come with the vuelta rims, but they are probably the velocity hubs. sealed bearings, 32 or 34 holes. they are great hubs because they are bombproof. i dont think that has anything to do with the threads stripping.
maybe its just getting loose over time and youre not noticing it until its too late? since you just switched it over to the other side, check it again in a month and see if its loose. or take it to o20 and see what they say.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 6:38 pm
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thank god for double sides double threaded hubs or i wouldnt have anything to ride.
stillline03.26.09 - 6:40 pm
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More tool suggestions to add to my Snap-On box, where I keep all my Park, Pedro's, and Craftsman tools because $400 for an SAE socket set is rape!!!!
bentstrider03.26.09 - 6:47 pm
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get some cheap formula hubs, buy mid grade or nice cogs and really nice lockrings. PUT THEM ON RIGHT. golden.
mikeywally03.26.09 - 6:53 pm
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The threading on formula hubs are as shitty as anything else on the market. Palms cycle uses blue loc-tite and did it on mine when it got stripped. That's good, but I'm sure JB weld would have worked just as well or better. It's good on anything that you can't use shoe goo for.
Or just stop skidding.
tortuga_veloce03.26.09 - 7:31 pm
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@Tortuga
Thats the thing.... this wheel has only ever been on my tallbike.
Which I only very rarely skid cause I enjoy not being dead.
stillline03.26.09 - 7:44 pm
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The lockring was tight. I put the cog and lock ring on with a chain whip and a good lock ring tool. Real tight.
Someone told me to use teflon tape on the hub threads. Will that help?
stillline03.26.09 - 7:54 pm
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Ill make you wish you never did stilline, if you do happen to slip......
Debut21303.26.09 - 7:57 pm
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did palms cycle really put loc-tite on your hub? i wouldnt ever give them business ever again.
you should never put loc-tite or jb weld or any of that crap on a proper track hub. EVER.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 8:14 pm
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You do know what loc-tite is made for right? Sure if you have a bottomless bank acc, get nothing but the best and replace it when the paint fades, but loc-tite can make it work better. Also why wouldn't someone put loc-tite on brand spanking kick ass new stuff? JB weld is a different story.
If you have any info on bike mechanic gurus that don't like loc-tite, I would be curious to hear about it.
User103.26.09 - 8:41 pm
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loc-tite and jb weld are great for suicide hubs. but those are pretty stupid too.
if you are using a proper track hub, loc-tite is not required. the lockring should be reverse threaded on smaller threads than the cog. once tightened together properly, the two should not come loose. you should grease the threads and be very careful threading the cog and lockring on the first time. its very easy to crossthread hubs.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 8:48 pm
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Lock tight or JB weld on a hub is retarded. That's not the correct way at all.
You need a high quality lock ring, like the Dura-Ace one you just got. The cheepie lock rings that come with budget wheels are stamped out of metal, where Dura-Ace, Euro-asia are machined. The result is much tighter thread tolerance.
Grease everything. When you install anything threaded there is a gap (.0005" ish) The grease fills in this gap and makes the parts fit tighter.
That being said, Kel had one of those Veltula cheap rear wheels with the cheap lock rings and striped the threads in less than a month. I rebuilt the wheel with the same brand hub, installed a quality lock ring and it;s been good for over a year.
Mook03.26.09 - 8:54 pm
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Any bike mechanic gurus you can refer me to that espouses the evils of loc-tite?
User103.26.09 - 8:55 pm
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loc-tite on a fixed hub is useless and redundant. it covers up problems that should have been taken care of at initial assembly.
420LaHaRR03.26.09 - 8:58 pm
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Lock-tight has it's places on bikes, but not on fixed hub's.
I lock-tight racks, water bottle bolts, fender/ brake hardware, exc...
Mook03.26.09 - 9:01 pm
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loc tite on top of the line parts renders the parts a problem?
I'm not talking about using it for a band aid. I'm talking about using it with quality parts.
User103.26.09 - 9:03 pm
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lets say i have a genereic hub like an origin 8 and some p.os cog and i also have the same problem, is it a bad thing to just weld the cog to my hub?
javi03.26.09 - 9:05 pm
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Quality parts machined to tight tolerances should just need grease.
Mook03.26.09 - 9:07 pm
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Welding is fine for super ghetto, but the hub is probably aluminum and the cog is probably steel.
Won't work.
Mook03.26.09 - 9:08 pm
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loc-tite does not to my limited knowledge turn good parts to crap or vice versa.
runon much?
420LaHaRR03.26.09 - 9:09 pm
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so would loctite help? i didnt quite get that last message
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javi03.26.09 - 9:17 pm
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you might want this!!!!
its bolted on.
no threads.
will not strip for shit
isnt hard to skid or anything
i have the same setup up on mine.
lucifur66603.26.09 - 9:19 pm
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wow thats neat! whered you find something like this? whats it called?
javi03.26.09 - 9:21 pm
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level hubs are a joke. so are those hubs that are machined with the cog already on it.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 9:26 pm
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i have formula hubs with eai cogs and dura ace lockrings (16t on one side, 14t on the other) and they havent stripped in the two years ive been riding on them.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 9:32 pm
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ok heres a beter close up pic of my hub.
the other one was a random one.
so it speaks for it self.
and i got this hub at a bike shop named JB bike shop its in paramount on paramount blvd and rosecrans blvd.
this setup is great.
awesome really recomnd this one!!
lucifur66603.26.09 - 9:39 pm
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I like the idea. It follows alot of what you would see on a motorcycle. If done correctly, looks alot more durable than what is being used now.
User103.26.09 - 9:46 pm
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yeah whats the maker on the hub? is that the only model? im from veentura so going down to paramount might be out of the question for me
javi03.26.09 - 9:51 pm
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yuupp extra durable.
skidng down hills on rainy days will never be better.
i had to go to the bike shop evry once in a while to buy a new one and i guess the guy got tired of seeing me and having me waste my money, so he made this for me he said.
as soon as i got it he told me to ride and to try to break it.
and if it broke he said he would give me a new one for free.
i tried breaking it.
couldnt at all.
this setup was an awesome invention!!!!
i bougt it with a white super deep v rim for 150.
its worth it.
lucifur66603.26.09 - 9:55 pm
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it isnt a maker.
the maker was the guy at the bike shop.
so in order to get this.
youd have to come get this.
its the only way.
unless their is some maker that makes these hubs.
you would have to do some research on that one.
if you want to come down.
shoot me your email address or number i can go to the bike shop and have him make a new hub and i can tell u when it'll b ready and u can come down to get it.
it will b worth the drive..
id say so.
lucifur66603.26.09 - 9:59 pm
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that sounds like a good idea, do you think he'll sell me the hub and cog by themselves i got a sweet deep v already on my rear.
my email is
javi8927@hotmail.com send me a message with your email. i think ill give him a call sometime this week and ask about it.
javi03.26.09 - 10:08 pm
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javi
go to the bike shop in ojai. the owner (his name is bob) used to race for the 7-11 team in the 80s and was a velodrome champ. he can tell you anything you need to know about fixed gear drivetrains. i used to live there, i am speaking with firsthand knowledge.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 10:22 pm
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I supposed I could look them up, but I feel like asking here instead:
What's a suicide hub?
And a v? (whatsitcalled?)
kryxtanicole03.26.09 - 10:39 pm
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When people say "suicide hub" they mean a hub that has a cog screwed onto a freewheel with no lockring. This is obviously dangerous, because if you apply some backpressure, you can spin the cog right off the freewheel and you will no longer have a way to slow down your bike.
lucifur66603.26.09 - 10:42 pm
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a suicide hub is a freewheel hub thats turned into a track hub with jb weld. its janky and unsafe.
a deep v is the #1 choice of rims for hipsters. they are made by a company in australia called velocity.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 10:43 pm
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and deep v is the thickness of the rim.
hard to bend.
super deep v's are the extra thick.
google up some pics.
and you will see.
lucifur66603.26.09 - 10:44 pm
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dont listen to lucifer666. he doesnt know what hes talking about.
ruinedbyidiots03.26.09 - 10:44 pm
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yes velocity forgot to include that.
but yeah.
blah
lucifur66603.26.09 - 10:45 pm
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Cool, thanks. Guess that's why it's called a suicide hub. : O
kryxtanicole03.26.09 - 11:47 pm
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Just want to mention my Dura Ace NJS hubs are the shit, not to mention rust proof. You can repack the bearings, they have good threads, and I have changed the cogs many times and not stripped them. Hubs are the most important thing on a bike. I always put my cog on using a vice, then the Shimano tool to put on the Dura-Ace lockring, then go ride it around real hard and skid and backwards circle for a few minutes, then re-tighten it all. Never stripped shit. OH and Morey at Bike Factory is the man on Track stuff.
tallcans4tallbikes03.26.09 - 11:55 pm
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Thanks for all the info kids.
The Dura-Ace Lockring seems to be working fine.
I'm thinking about building some wheels from scratch.
Can anyone recommend some good hubs and rims to start with?
stillline03.27.09 - 2:50 am
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those dura ace hubs are SUPER NICE but i wouldnt spend $350 on hubs alone for wheels that will be put on a tallbike.
my next set of wheels will probably be some black phils laced to mavic open pros.
ruinedbyidiots03.27.09 - 10:18 am
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Yeah heard what you said alex. I just cant afford dura ace hub. anything solid and cheaper?
stillline03.27.09 - 11:15 am
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deep v is a rim made by velocity.
thanks for the tip ruinedbyidiots
javi03.27.09 - 11:16 am
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matt, just like mikeywally said, formula hubs. they are bombproof.
ruinedbyidiots03.27.09 - 11:29 am
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there is another company doing bolt-on cogs, similar to the homemade one above and Level.
http://valliecomponents.com
Also, does anyone think that the hub on a tallbike is under more stress than a regular hub? Maybe because the chain is pulling both up and forward on the cog at the same time rather than just forward?
cassidy03.27.09 - 11:44 am
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the only way a tallbike setup could thrash a hub is if your chainline is off. a few mm is ok, but anything over 5 or 6mm would be bad.
ruinedbyidiots03.27.09 - 11:58 am
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