yup.
Garcetti has been rockin' it.
I've already thanked his office.... HAVE YOU?
:)
email - Councilmember.Garcetti@lacity.org
Cap't Sharrowzz!!!
ingipet07.1.08 - 5:17 pm
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LACM, come to live the dream.
Fuck yeah x 2!!!!!!!!
Eric Hair07.1.08 - 5:30 pm
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@ Eric: thanks for saving a sticker for me! i'm showing it off like a new eye patch! totally rad!
LAC
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 5:33 pm
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I've seen sharrows in Corona on 6th Street during rush hour traffic. They make the ride a little better since they give drivers and cyclists a reference point. I noticed that the drivers will give you more room when passing.
Ed07.1.08 - 5:35 pm
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MAMBB, no problem. I have more if you fancy a gaggle of them.
Ed, totally. Since most drivers don't bother educating themselves on bike law, signage etc........they probably just think it's synonymous with 'bike lane'
Works for me. : D
Eric Hair07.1.08 - 5:38 pm
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i've noticed the same in San Francisco.
send out a quick email folks!
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 5:39 pm
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yep pretty awesome. there's a transportation committee meeting in city hall about this...wednesday july 9th at 2pm. i'll get the info very soon and we should all come out to support.
gohomedorothy07.1.08 - 5:40 pm
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does this really help though?
ugh last night while biking with nicki/chloe/louise this car started bitching us out because the four of us were biking in the right lane and then told us we were liars when we said we were legally allowed to use it. i dont understand why drivers get so ridiculously angry when they see bikes.. not all obviously. but some
[ also on sat, on bicychillers, some weird minivan was taking photos of us biking in the street because apparently he viewed it as illegal? i don't get this shit.
tinycities07.1.08 - 5:43 pm
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@tinycities:
i think it helps. it makes drivers more aware of a "SHARE The Road" sentiment. this is a big step, though seemingly small, in a direction to help build a safer cycling and driver on LA streets.
@dorothy: post a ride! meet to the meeting and then grub at a local restaurant!
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 5:49 pm
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@ingrid:
Can you post the LADOT email that's relevent to this issue?
thanks!
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 5:52 pm
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I was just gonna say the same as MAMBB
that is exactly the reason we need SHARROWS and other signage.
The road would be so much nicer if more drivers understood that we ARE supposed to be there.
trickmilla07.1.08 - 5:52 pm
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Someone in a car filmed my gf and I riding through hollywood the other day. It was weird.
kyber07.1.08 - 5:53 pm
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Yeah, a visible marker of our right to be on the road can only help....
To play devil's advocate, though, part of me does worry that it will only encourage the idea that if sharrows aren't present then we are not allowed on the road. Driver's are dumb like that.
theroyalacademy07.1.08 - 5:56 pm
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rad.......
it's happening!!! weeeeeeee!!!!
Sharrows are a great step in the right direction. One of the main problems i experience as a "transportational cyclist" (TC) is the aggressive attitude motorists exhibit towards me on the street.
I have been almost hit more times than I care to recall. Thankfully I remain one of the lucky few that has not suffered an injury out there.
My best guess is that many motorists feel supremely ENTITLED to the road and are often willing to be total dangerous jerks just to communicate this message to me.
Thusly. Education along the lines of Sharing the Road is the best course of action. Clearly the road CAN be shared.
Not everyone who drives a car actively wants to kill me. I realize this. Probably 95% of them in fact have no bad intentions whatsoever. Having a SHARROW on the road would tell this 95% to watch for cyclists and give them a visual reference should they choose to yield or, *GASP* ---- SHARE the road.
ingipet07.1.08 - 6:01 pm
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My biggest complaint about this article is the section about the bike ban on the trains where MTA person who was all like "don't like the rule about bikes, go get yourself a folding bike" this is assuming people can afford to go out and buy another bike, and is kind of, well, just plain rude.
Even when bikes are allowed on the trains, there's really no room for them (other than the red line, where bikes can take up the handicap spot, which isnt a solution either). Most other cities have some sort of hook or something for bikes. It doesnt have to be a whole other car, just remove 2 seats from every train car, and put in hooks like in portland.
FuzzBeast07.1.08 - 6:04 pm
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@Fuzzbeast:
ask ingrid for the email to write to the person to complain about that possible restriction. i also intend to write about those two ridiculous 'attempts' at improving commuting in LA.
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 6:10 pm
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Yeah, sharrows = good, and props to Garcetti. I think we (you know who you are) can also pat ourselves on the back a little for pushing this.
Maybe it's a temporary blip, but I actually think I've noticed a little more awareness and respect for cyclists in the last few weeks. I know there are more of us on the roads, most likely due to the warm weather and high gas prices. Seems like it's been weeks since I've been buzzed, honked at or yelled at. Maybe our efforts are paying off?
Interesting: Google spell check doesn't know "sharrows" yet.
mr rollers07.1.08 - 6:11 pm
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Yes, as far as the train goes, the Portland style hooks seem like a great solution; bikes take up less space and are more secure & stable. Surprised I haven't seen it mentioned yet.
mr rollers07.1.08 - 6:14 pm
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Yeah, I've been noticing it a bit too, Rollers. other than the two I've had in the last week or so. One was a metro driver who threatened to kill me about 10 minutes before critical mass on friday of last week. the other was someone on Pico who told me to "get in the bike lane" something which Pico has not, on its entire length.
FuzzBeast07.1.08 - 6:14 pm
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it's true...the MTA is thinking of cracking down on cyclists at rush hour....
tell them you don't like it ---
customerRelations@metro.net
I did bring up the hook with someone at MTA and there was an concern about safety with bikes being vertical in the cars.
my sense is that they would be more likely to go with a dedicated "BIKE CAR" with the bikes stack next to each other at one end...or that every car have a dedicated bike space....
tell them what you think!!!
and don't forget to mentions SHARROWS ALSO!!!
ingipet07.1.08 - 6:18 pm
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Heh, safety concerns... bleh. hooks work in portland, and those trains go up mountains.
FuzzBeast07.1.08 - 6:22 pm
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remember the ART RIDE from the brewery?
:)
ingipet07.1.08 - 6:28 pm
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@mikey:
it's great that you 'blogged it', but did you also write an email?
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 6:30 pm
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I am less than enthusiastic about the sharrow thing. It's not bad news, of course, but means very little. As ing points out, education of drivers is key to making a difference and increasing riding safety. A sharrow symbol does very very little toward this goal. Show that logo to the average driver and I doubt they'll really know what it means. As for the bicyclist... gee thanks for suggesting I don't ride in the danger zone, never would have guessed that. I'd rather see BOLD signage that spells out "SHARE THE ROAD" or some threat of a ticket for cutting off a bicycle ala "click it or ticket" type slogan.
Regarding the "suggestion" to buy a folding bike, that's just insulting nonsense and the obtuse thinking you find at city hall.
indigis07.1.08 - 6:48 pm
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i'd say baby steps are better, than no steps. especially on vermont!
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 7:06 pm
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I really like the idea of sharrows. I would argue they are pretty clear and they even have a similarity to the diamond lanes downtown where by only busses and bikes are allowed. in other words I have a feeling that some drivers may actually think that the sharrow lane is only for bicycles. ha. but seriously sharrow like signage is all over the netherlands it's a welcome step and easier to implement than bike lanes though I feel we need both.
Roadblock07.1.08 - 7:45 pm
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so here is the scoop on the transportation committee meeting:
What: LA City Council Transportation Committee, in the agenda they will be talking about sharrows, the ballona bike path closure at Purdue, and other items.
When: Wednesday, July 9th
Time: 2pm (get there early though, latest 1:30pm, there are security checks and i know there are gonna be a lot of people at this meeting)
Where: Room 1010. City Hall. 200 North Spring St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012
i'll post more when i find out. and yea, maybe we will do a ride! that would be oh so fun.
anyway....i say we have some good bike energy there. we gotta show them where it's at!
gohomedorothy07.1.08 - 8:15 pm
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okay. i'm taking upon myself. i'm going to post a ride....yeay! thanks mambb....:) it'll be bike to the transportation committee meeting. okay i'll think of a better title. :)
gohomedorothy07.1.08 - 8:21 pm
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hey umm. where should it start? i have some ideas:
sitela in silverlake...cuz i have access to the space and it's a good location for some folks.
downtown, everyone just meet at pershing square or some place downtown and then ride to the city hall meeting
others?
whatcha thinkin, lincoln?
i'll wait a couple of hours to get some responses, then i'll post late tonite about a ride! yeay!
gohomedorothy07.1.08 - 8:28 pm
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@dorothy:
i can actually make this meeting because i'm still unemployed! yay!
regarding a location to meet at, i was thinking something a little more centralized... say, uh, SCOOPS!!! ha! kidding, maybe a metro station like hollywood/western? then we can do a ride-by to pick up others at the quicksilver location on sunset.
but in the end, "DO WHAT YOU WANT!"
meandmybluebike07.1.08 - 8:54 pm
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Personally, I don't have a problem with a rush hour restriction on regular bikes when space doesn't allow it (the fact that I own a folding bike may factor into this attitude to some degree, but I felt the same way before buying my folder a few months ago). As metro ridership increases with gas prices, I think we are going to see more and more trains running close to capacity and I don't necessarily feel that bikes are
entitled to space on every train. If you are a dedicated cycle commuter who absolutely must take the train for part of the commute, it shouldn't be that big a deal to purchase a folder, whih can be had for very little money. Fundamentally, I think pedestrians, who have no alternative form of transport, realy ought to have priority on a train. The policy makes sense to me, but I would hope that they will be intelligent about enforcement (unlikely, I know), continuing to allow full size bikes on trains whenever space allows. And space dedicated to bike racks on the cars will increase safety and convenience on the trains without taking away from standing capacity of each car, so that seems like a no brainer.
I grew up in London, where the only bikes allowed on trains are folders, although you can sometimes sneak a full size bike on during off-peak hours. You see tons and tons of folding bikes all over the city and the system works very well. Every shop in the city carries multiple folding bike brands and they are readily available, including on the used market. That will likely happen here, too, if transportation policy encourages it.
Just as car drivers will need to adapt to a changing transportation landscape, so too will cyclists, and that may well mean mixed-mode commuters adopting folding bikes. Solutions that work for everyone are inevitably a compromise. This seems like a pretty reasonable one from the cyclists' side.
As for folders being lower performance, that really isn't true. I can comfortably maintain a 22-25mph pace (well, as comfortably as I can on a regular road bike, anyway) on my 27 speed Dahon folding bike. There is not a lot of variety in the high performance folding bike market, but most brands do make one. A $200 folding bike is not gonna be very different in quality from a $200 regular bike, which is to say not too terribly good at all. The lack of a used market is definitely a drag.
Just my $.02
--sam
ideasculptor07.1.08 - 10:12 pm
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if this was a real system they'd have more trains. then there will be space for cyclists. folding bikes are just not my bag baby... I really try to be as compact as I can, and posting the bike against the wall in the handicap section is pretty out of the way. more trains and more bikes they go hand in hand! so frustrating when I took three trains to get to work and each train was a 5-15 minute wait
during rush hour that makes it crowded and up to two 15 minute waits was just insane and it often was over crowded. add more trains. make rush hour last from 4pm to 8pm and run the trains every 5 minutes... I heard they are considering adding a .5 cent sales tax initiative for public transpo. if I had my way I would say a nickel until we build everything.
Roadblock07.1.08 - 10:36 pm
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Well, then again Roadblock, you aren't that compact to begin with..
I still say the "let them get a folding bike" sounds a lot like "let them eat cake", there are people who have to use the train to get to work, and cannot afford the expense of buying a new bike. Besides, this is assuming the metro sheriffs aren't dumbasses and don't yell at people for having folding bikes because "it's a bike", I've heard of people having this problem on the buses already (you're supposed to be able to bring a folded bike onto a bus no matter what, same as the train).
Sure I could see maybe telling someone that "the train is too full, wait for the next one" (the same thing should be said to pedestrians who cram into a train that is already at capacity) but an out and out restriction? that's fucking dumb.
Restriction isnt the solution, and neither is saying bikes are allowed on the trains, and then having no where to put them. try riding the green line with a bike any time of the day, there is no where to put a bike on said train anyway. Plus the restrictions aren't posted ANYWHERE in stations, etc., the only place to find such information is on the Metro's website, at least to my knowledge, and, as the restriction isn't system wide, it can be very confusing. The restrictions are one way during a certain period on many lines, and they recently changed the red line without telling anyone (it used to be both ways during rush hour from union station to mac arthur park, they just extended the restriction to wilshire and vermont, and didnt tell anyone.)
If they want to have a restriction, they should at least inform people of it. You know, signs and stuff, that and make it reasonable and understandable.
the metro rules about bikes on the rail can be found here:
http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/bikes/bikes_rail.htm
FuzzBeast07.1.08 - 10:59 pm
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they never gave me any lip about bringing a bike on the train during rush hour... but I did have to wait out two trains once because they were at capacity.
Roadblock07.1.08 - 11:02 pm
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I couldn't agree more about the length of waits between trains. It is absolutely ridiculous that even during rush hour it is possible to wait 15 minutes or more for a train. Moscow subways run every 18 seconds during rush hour. You can see the lights of the next train coming up the tunnel while the taillights of the previous train are still visible. Something tells me that'd be a safety violation in the US. There's no way they have braking times that can accommodate an 18 second gap, especially without automation. That said, the system is so crowded, it is possible to wait 10 minutes to get onto the escalator after leaving the train - standing in a monster crowd inching forward like penguins. London runs about 1 minute per train during rush hour.
The red line never fails to be slower than just pedaling if I'm traveling anywhere between Union Station and Highland and Hollywood. t took an hour to get from 7th St. to Hollywood last friday at 9pm - a distance that requires about 35 minutes on a bicycle. The two stops on the other side of the hill are probably worth waiting for the train for, but otherwise, it is consistently slower than riding, often significantly slower, since I've waited more than 20 minutes far more often than I've waited less than 20.
I imagine its a ridership/budget problem. Even at the height of rush hour, the trains are crowded, but hardly the sardine cans of every other city on the planet. And during the rest of the day, they are nowhere near capacity. As a result, I can only imagine that finding the cash to buy more trains is pretty difficult. This is one of the chicken or egg issues that requires strong leadership from city officials to get beyond. People won't use it if it isn't useful, which means they are going to have to take losses (bigger losses?) in order to make the system functional enough that it can pay for itself.
The metro as it is today is mostly just an embarrassment. Vast swaths of the city have no train coverage at all, and those areas that do have it have insufficient schedules. Hard to imagine that the largest city in the 7th largest economy on the planet can't even manage decent public transportation. Real subway coverage would transform LA in ways that can hardly be imagined. It is nice to see that at least one councilmember gets that.
ideasculptor07.2.08 - 12:45 am
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give LACBC some luv for gettin sharrowzz on the agenda....
ingipet07.2.08 - 9:20 am
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capt'n sharrow, bestow guerrilla infrastructure upon the streets of LA.
god knows we need it badlee
spiraldemon07.2.08 - 9:32 am
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I'll be great to see some actual sharrows on the pavement; this is a good first step. I just hope they don't get judged solely by this "pilot program", since they only stretch for about two miles on each street, which isn't really far enough to be useful for actual commuting. Also, I think markings that appear and disappear suddenly (like a lot of bike lanes in LA), can be pretty confusing for both motorists and novice cyclists. Hopefully this will all be taken into account when evaluating sharrows for the rest of the city, because I'd like to see sharrows used instead of more bike lines in the door zone.
angle07.2.08 - 10:44 am
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I'm on my sidekick phone about to roll the redline to dtla so gonna make it quick... here is a photo of that completely USELESS "bike rack" I was talking about. Notice that after they put in the art fart "bike rack" they went back and put in the more sensible and utilitarian loop racks.... I don't see an easy way to lock to the art fart rack.... hope this was the right thread...
Roadblock07.2.08 - 11:25 am
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Don't forget to offer your thanks and encouragement to Garcetti.
Today he personally emailed me back (with a form letter).
Dear Patrick,
Thank you so much for your message regarding making our city safer and easier to navigate for bicyclists.
Transportation is an important issue in our city, and one that nearly all of us who live here grapple with on a daily basis. If we're going to reduce traffic congestion and air pollution in Los Angeles, we're going to have to provide as many opportunities as we can for people who want to get out of their cars to take public transit, walk, and ride a bicycle. I will continue working to get the initiatives I introduced last week implemented and to advocate for more ways to make LA a more bike-friendly city.
I truly appreciate your support of these efforts.
Thank you,
Eric Garcetti
Councilmember Eric Garcetti
Los Angeles City Council, District 13
CITY HALL OFFICE:
City Hall, Room 470
200 North Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
(213) 473-7013
(213) 613-0819 fax
FIELD OFFICE:
5500 Hollywood Boulevard, 4th floor
Hollywood, California 90028
(323) 957-4500
(323) 957-6841 fax
INTERNET ACCESS:
garcetti@council.lacity.org
www.cd13.com
to sign-up Councilmember Garcetti's E*Update
electronic newsletter, visit http://www.cityofla.org/council/cd13/cd13optin.htm
>>> "p.miller"
6/30/2008 1:32 PM >>>
Council member Garcetti,
I've heard through some friends in the bike scene about your recent proposed bike initiatives at the LACC.
I want to express my appreciation for your proactive support of cycling in this city.
Everything about using my bike as transportation in this city feels great. However the more I ride, the more I feel like myself and others are putting our lives at risk, making this city a better place and our fundamental needs: like signage, driver education, and basic infrastructure are to often considered as less than an afterthought.
In this light your, thoughtful, pro-active leadership on bike issues is GREATLY appreciated.
Sincere Thanks,
- Patrick Miller
5409 Russell Ave.
Los Angeles 90027
trickmilla
07.2.08 - 11:31 am
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yup, me too! just got my response from him as well (same letter, but still)----------
it's an uphill battle....for garcetti's office as well....
ingipet07.2.08 - 11:35 am
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The Art Fart bike rack also needs accompanying Clever Art Fart huge u-lock.
That photo is a great FAIL.
Mainly for the artist/designer. Boo.
Also for the DOT approval comittee. Boo x 2
Eric Hair07.2.08 - 11:41 am
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I drew and cut out the giant sharrow stencil with Josef on the driveway of the old BIke Oven
spiraldemon07.2.08 - 11:43 am
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Wow Spiraldemon.
You think that is neat. Let me tell you.
I once farted and it came out a sharrow. Top That!
sexy07.2.08 - 11:46 am
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You mean the giant linoleum one!?
That looked like a bastard to cut out.
Eric Hair07.2.08 - 11:47 am
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nah, the material was easy to cut. drawing the wheels was the most difficult part. it still doesn't look right to me.
spiraldemon07.2.08 - 11:54 am
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"Vermont is a very heavily trafficked road, so you must have some nerve to be out there on a bike in the first place."
Funny as that's my daily commute. Sharrows would be sweet (and I am in agreement its a good first step) however I don't see the pilot on Vermont working to well as Vermont and Hoover are parallel to one another. Hopefully they change their mind and make it from the 101 to at least Wilshire Blvd. in K-town.
Heavily posted yellow "Share the Road" signs in heavily trafficked roadways would be more beneficial imo and sharrows would be a good companion to an action as this.
Maybe they should add a rail car at the end of each train thats reserved specifically for bikes passengers. 1 denoted BIKE ONLY car would solve the restriction issue.
jchungerford07.2.08 - 11:57 am
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I think road paint will be more effective than "Share the Road" or "Bike Route" signs which are often ignored.
I've been yelled at riding on posted bike routes.
On Western, I was honked at by a student driver, for riding in the proper lane position.
When I caught up with her at the red light to "educate" her. The instructor leaned over her angrily and told me to
"share the road".
trickmilla07.2.08 - 12:17 pm
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[laughs] I remember you telling me about that!
tern07.2.08 - 12:22 pm
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"Share the road" doesn't mean anything to asshole cagers.
They seem to think that that means "When you see me rolling through, get the fuck out of my way!"
kyber07.2.08 - 12:24 pm
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What about a sharrow on the back of your shirts/sweatshirt ........ that way every route is under the influence of sharrows!!
Eric Hair07.2.08 - 12:26 pm
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neon shirts with sharrows on them for all RIDAZZ!!
make it happen!
(also, paint the roads and hang signs)
ingipet07.2.08 - 12:29 pm
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"share the road" also doesn't mean anything to asshole cyclists, motorcyclists, or bus drivers.
Some of my best friends are "cagers".
trickmilla07.2.08 - 12:45 pm
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"What about a sharrow on the back of your shirts/sweatshirt ........ that way every route is under the influence of sharrows!!"
Been rockin' one on my bag for the last week or so; courtesy of Roadblock's Screenprint ALC Fundraiser.
mr rollers07.2.08 - 1:00 pm
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oo! me want!!
do you still have that screen RB?
ingipet07.2.08 - 1:04 pm
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@trickmilla
You should turn your friends on to bike life.
kyber07.2.08 - 1:05 pm
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I HEART ERIC GARCETTI!
here he is biking in my hood on Sunset and Echo Park!!!
home of the original ridazz!!!
ingipet07.2.08 - 2:26 pm
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Finally an elected official who gets it. Sharrows really are the best solution and every right lane should have some.
I've always been puzzled by the rush-hour ban on bikes. How am I supposed to get to a Metro station without a friggin' bike? The stations are too far from anything to make them useful otherwise.
Not only should MTA allow bikes at all times, they should put in some bike hooks and make the trains run later. It's absurd that the trains don't run past the closing times of bars.
Also I can't get behind the "just get a folding bike" stance, sorry. I like my full-size road bikes too much. There's some nice foldies out there but they are expensive.
cabhauler07.2.08 - 2:32 pm
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The folding bike argument is just another way that Metro keeps pushing their "it's not us, it's THEM" attitude regarding their broken transit system.
"It's not our small trains, lack of frequent schedule, or the fact that we don't accommodate bikes beyond simply permitting them on our fleet; it's those damn full sized bikes that are the problem! Get a folder!"
What a weak agrument.
kyber07.2.08 - 2:37 pm
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Metro sucks...plain and simple...i have had a bus driver tell me she hates biker and whishs she could "rip the bike rack off so I would have to stop for you assholes anymore"....what a B!tch
MOM_RIDAZ42007.2.08 - 2:44 pm
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You know, in that photo of the bike rack Rb posted, that's the first time I have seen loop racks installed correctly, perpendicular to the curb, that way bikes can be locked along the curb not facing out into the street, or taking up the entire side of the rack. Good to know the city only figures out these kinds of things when it's by accidentally fucking up and installing some piece of ass that can't even be efficiently locked to but "is art".
Horray for bad design. From the Bauhaus in the early part of the 20th century there came this little saying "form follows function", something the artist who created said piece of cut sheet metal had never heard of, methinks.
FuzzBeast07.2.08 - 3:16 pm
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You guise got it all backward.
The bike ban makes perfect sense at rush hour as there is often no room for a bike. Its dangerous and uncomfortable to have a bike on the subway when its all crowded.
What they need to do, and what I hope this provision will provide for, is to rip out some fucking seats.
Or even better, add a car with minimal seating. for people will strollers, carts, bikes, and wheel chairs.
trickmilla07.2.08 - 4:54 pm
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The bike ban makes perfect sense at rush hour as there is often no room for a bike.
Non sequitur. If that's the problem, the rule should be "don't take your bike on a train that it won't fit on, at any time." Not "don't take your bike on a train between X hour and X hour because, um, it might be crowded."
PC07.2.08 - 4:58 pm
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The Bauhauslers were full of shit. Very little of their form followed anything other than a highly stylized, idealized version of "function."
PC07.2.08 - 5:00 pm
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True PC, but I was quoting the quote, not their (often bland and uninspiring) design.
FuzzBeast07.2.08 - 5:01 pm
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The quote itself is also bullshit.
PC07.2.08 - 5:04 pm
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Don't mind me, I'm just trying to start a pencil fight.
PC07.2.08 - 5:05 pm
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hey. so i won't have time to organize a ride....i gotta make sure i'm there to speak on behalf of LACBC.
but i do want to help organize one....maybe a good way to do is have some designated stops and have ridazz meet at those stops on the way....
for example:
hollywood/western: 12:30pm
silverlake: 12:45pm
in front of city hall 1:15pm
? what do you think? maybe another rida can step up and help me organize this? i'll see if any of our volunteers wants to help out...
gohomedorothy07.2.08 - 6:20 pm
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The Bauhauslers were full of shit. Very little of their form followed anything other than a highly stylized, idealized version of "function."
That hardly discounts the value of their guiding principles.
Eric Hair07.2.08 - 6:42 pm
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Ridazz Roulette!
for the ridazz....
raise your pencils!