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wambulance at 07.30.09 - 7:32 am
why are riders on this site always complaining about the cops and the publics perception of Midnight Ridazz? This is a generalization and I am by no means saying that everyone on this site or everyone that rides acts this way, but it is quite prevalent. I stopped reading this site a long time ago because I was tired of hearing all of the complaints. I came back today to check it out and noticed that it's pretty much the same thing. I also decided to go on the ride last night, and lo and behold, there was an excessive amount of public drunkenness, drug use, people taking up both lanes, running red lights, riding on the wrong side of the road, extremely loud music being played residential neighborhoods at night, etc... What makes you think you have the right to do all of this and still be above the law? Would this be acceptable if we were in cars? You wonder why Midnight Ridazz has a poor public image? I've mentioned rides to friends that don't ride and the general response has been complaints about how we are causing disturbances in the neighborhoods we ride through. The argument that riding while drunk only endangers you is ridiculous. What if your drunk ass causes a crash on the ride, which can seriously hurt others, or what if you cause a crash with a vehicle? What about a vehicle that is forced to avoid your drunk ass riding on the wrong side of the road or swerving? Do you think that there isn't the possibility that that vehicle may end up inadvertently hitting someone else or another car? We have been lucky that there hasn't been a death yet on one of these rides, but I only see it as inevitable. Just think this all through before you just start saying fuck cops, we aren't hurting anyone. The cops are trying to do their jobs. Riding while drunk is illegal. When the cops get complaints from citizens, it is their job to go and deal with it. If you weren't doing anything wrong, then the cops wouldn't be getting complaints. Yes i know that there are some bad cops and we may even encounter some of these bad cops while we are out riding, but don't make it out like every cop is bad just because you are pissed that you or a friend was busted for doing something illegal on a ride.
On multiple occasions I've heard the response that we are on a bicycle so the only danger when riding drunk or high is to ourselves, but that is not even close to the case. Think about accidents that you have the ability to cause. You may not even get hit by a car, but just think about what that car may hit because it is trying to avoid your drunk ass. Think about what it would be like to be a driver who accidentally hits a cyclist, only because the cyclist was acting like a drunk asshole or because they had to avoid the drunk asshole.
If you don't want to play by the rules, stop complaining when you get busted or hurt.
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My only real complaints here are when people misspell/misuse words (break and brake, peddle and pedal), confuse you're and your (its and it's), and don't break their thoughts up into convenient easy-to-read paragraphs.
Waaaaaaaaambulance!!!
HappyLand07.30.09 - 8:09 am
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How can the rep be fixed? How do you discourage people from being drunks?
Roadblock07.30.09 - 8:16 am
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I don't know but maybe wambulance could come up with something.
Roadblock responding to a
comment by spiraldemon
07.30.09 - 9:33 am
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No matter what people are not going to change. If you are gonna go to a ride just to judge others then just stay. Instead of coming here and complain why not try do something about?
adictpunk0407.30.09 - 9:37 am
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people who complain about complainers really tick me off
snowcone07.30.09 - 10:05 am
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Complaining about people not obeying the laws on group rides where alcohol/drugs/running red lights are allowed is as pointless as complaining that your bike got stolen after you used a cable lock, or used a U-lock to lock the wheel to the frame but NOT to an immoveable object.
If you're going to complain, at least complain about an issue that doesn't have an obvious answer.
JB07.30.09 - 10:17 am
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JB what is the obvious answer? I think this person has every right to complain about the law breaking by individuals on this site. Comparing it to improperly locking your bike is fucking retarded.
i agree with the poster. don't whine when you're busted for breaking the law. Look at the barchopz thread. Debut213 makes a comment about getting a ticket for public urination and the cop needing to meet the quota. it's very common on this message board to see people whining about the police busting them for breaking the law (getting red light tickets, tickets for no lights, public urination, amongst other things). How many threads over the last few years have contained whining about getting ticketed or being harassed for partying.
What's the solution? I sure as hell don't know of one. The only solution i found for myself was to stop doing group rides as i've watched it get progressively more dangerous and I got sick of having to worry about people who have no concern for the safety of themselves or of the others on the rides.
btw, i do think it's funny that people seem to be annoyed by being called out for their law breaking.
before you respond, take an hour and look through the last few years of threads and see how long this has gone on.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by JB
07.30.09 - 10:39 am
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complaining about things that have been going on for longer than you have been riding with Midnight Ridazz does nothing to fix the problems. offer constructive criticism and possible solutions. or stay home like brassknuckle does.
btw brassknuckle, bootlegger sez hi!
spiraldemon responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 10:49 am
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"The only solution i found for myself was to stop doing group rides as i've watched it get progressively more dangerous and I got sick of having to worry about people who have no concern for the safety of themselves or of the others on the rides. "
That'd be the obvious answer. (That or starting a sober and law abiding ride.)
Otherwise, unless you're brand new, you KNOW IN ADVANCE that there will be law breaking and careless behavior by some / many of the other riders on many of the rides, and you plan accordingly.
Group rides almost INHERENTLY break the law (keeping to the right, maintaining a lane, running red lights, amplified music, etc.) so it's a little silly to complain that people are breaking the law on group rides.
Oh, wait, you mean there should be a consensus by the community on what it's OK to do and not OK to do on a bicycle? Yeah, that'd be what the LAWS ARE THERE FOR.
JB responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 10:51 am
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everyone has broken a law at some point
anyone who rides a tall bike is breaking the law
anyone who rides without a white light on the front of their bike at night is breaking the law
anyone who doesn't have a front white or yellow reflector visible from the side is breaking the law
anyone who doesn't have a rear red reflector (even if you have a rear red light) is breaking the law
anyone who doesn't have a rear red reflector visible from the side is breaking the law
anyone who doesn't have white or yellow pedal reflectors is breaking the law
snowcone responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 10:54 am
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are you kidding? group rides don't almost inherently break the law. Do you know how many group rides happen that aren't MR rides? I guarantee that most of them don't consist of a bunch of drunken cyclists taking over the streets causing havoc. Get out of your little bubble. It's not silly to complain that people are breaking the law. Are you just bummed that you're being called out on it? With your reasoning i guess drunk driving is okay since enough people do it.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by JB
07.30.09 - 10:58 am
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i don't think he's saying that riding your bike drunk is okay by any means
one problem with the poster is s/he complains about people who complains and then continues to complain about other things which are not going to stop merely because someone wills it to stop
people will do what they do on group rides, and party rides.. people are going to drink
while it's not smart/safe to ride while drunk, i don't see anything wrong with drinking moderately and riding... we are allowed a BAC of 0.08 while driving and riding. That means that there is an acceptable amount one can drink before being considered impaired. While a BAC 0.08 is what the law as determined to be that limit, I don't think it's accurate on an individual basis. Some people can handle more, some less.
snowcone responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 11:03 am
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You don't need a red reflector for the sides. You do need a white or yellow reflector for the front half and one for the back half, on both sides obviously. And the reflectors on the pedals can also instead be an ankle reflector or a shoe reflector.
Interesting point since we're on reflectors. You could have reflectors that are only a square inch wide. The law just saids it has to be visible. Something like a couple 100 feet or something. I forget now.
User1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 11:03 am
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i don't think the original poster willed it to stop. he/she is making a point that it's fucked up to think you are above the law. Just because the partying happens doesn't make it okay. Talk to RBI, his dad was sent to the hospital on the last RWNN because a drunk individual took him out on his bike. People need to grow up and take some responsibility rather than just say well it's already happening so i might as well join in.
to be honest i'm really baffled that people are so defensive of their decisions to party in public spaces. I'm not saying i haven't done it, but i'm also not going to come here and whine that a i was busted only because a cop had to meet a quota rather than the fact that i was breaking the law.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 11:09 am
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dude you just joined the site...
GET A CAR you asshole.
Thegirlinglass07.30.09 - 11:11 am
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The cops said that he actually didn't care about the public peeing and the only reason he was giving me the ticket was due to avoid calls from neighbors to complain about people peeing around the bar. So I have a right to complain about this since I got a ticket because of complainers.. <<--- if this doesn't make sense cut me some slack its my first high of the day and you know that's the best one..
Its all good ill pay the ticket and use the bars restroom. Lesson learned.
Debut213 responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 11:12 am
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So what ride did you go on? Barchops? What did you expect with a name like Barchops? If you don't like riding with party people, then don't ride with them. There, done deal! Don't go and troll the boards with your fake ass accounts making it sound like there's general consensus about this. The complaining about loud music in neighborhoods gave it away. I forget your sign in name, but could spot it if I searched for it.
Anyone can make new sign in names and do this BS. Hell it took me a whole two minutes to make another sign in using a temp email address. Grow some balls and post for awhile. Have people know who you are, or STFU!!!
User107.30.09 - 11:13 am
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wow coming from someone who started riding with MR within the last couple of months. real mature calling the person an asshole.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 11:15 am
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dude, i'm not picking on you because of what you did. it was just an easy post to use to prove my point. i have no beef with what you did.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Debut213
07.30.09 - 11:16 am
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plus also.. the cops normally don't give a fuck about us.. the LAPD actually likes what were doing.. all they said was act smart about it...and as for the public... the seem to all really enjoy us zooming past them and we have had multiple people ask us who we are/what we're doing.
and MR actually doesn't have that bad of a public image.. crank mob maybe does.. but the rest of the rides.. its pretty positive.
and have you acutally been on a ride? or are you one of those people who just troll the site without being an active member in the communtiy/the forums.
Thegirlinglass07.30.09 - 11:17 am
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the cops normally don't give a fuck about us.. the LAPD actually likes what were doing
are you sure about this? like, 100% without a doubt sure?
ruinedbyidiots07.30.09 - 11:18 am
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whatever. sorry if i chose to use poor language instead of eloquently expressing myself
Thegirlinglass responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 11:19 am
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tell me that when you've been riding with MR for a few years. I promise you are sadly mistaken.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 11:19 am
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the couple ive talked to hasnt cared.. it really depends though on the attitude of the group towards them
Thegirlinglass responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 11:20 am
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i understand why there are trolls on the board. it's too easy.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 11:21 am
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okay i said my piece. have fun guys. i have to get back to work.
brassknuckle07.30.09 - 11:24 am
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i think different cops have different attitudes toward us
snowcone responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 11:25 am
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you have to realize that to the general public all of these night time group rides are the same group. If they know any name they might associate Midnight Ridazz with the rides if anything because that name gets the most mainstream press. but most likely they just see hordes of bicycle riders and dont associate it with any name they just think the bicycle riders with the funny messenger bags and bikes with no breaks.
Roadblock responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 11:27 am
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i believe that many rides challenge the social constructs of los angeles:
-when you hang out with your friends, you're supposed to do it on private property
-when you pass through rich neighborhoods like brentwood and malibu, you are not supposed to stop and enjoy yourself
-when you drink, you're supposed to do it in a bar
-when you want to have fun, you are supposed to spend money
-if you have to pee, tough luck because you shouldnt be congregating in public in the first place
aside from the actual riding, i love and appreciate that MR challenges these deeply faulty social norms.
that said, nobody is pro-crashing or pro-irresponsibility and nobody (except maybe borfo) prefers to pee in public, but this is the unfair society we live in. when i ride, i don't enjoy drinking more than 2 beers, because i'm too old to get shitfaced. if i wanted to get shitfaced, i wouldnt ride a bike.
yes, there are problems with the bigger rides these days, and we all want to find solutions so that we can enjoy the good things. we're all looking for new and different solutions, such as making rides invite-only. but every solution has a drawback. you don't meet amazing new people from different walks of life on invite-only rides. working people can't make it to a daytime CRANK MOB. if you speed up the ride, you're going to drop some people (myself included)--but as Roadblock says, WP is one of the safest rides and I agree.
so our solution is diversity. we will all find our own solutions in our own times. we trade in one thing to save another. if we do nothing, we sacrifice safety. i just think that's how it's going to be.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 11:35 am
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public urination and public drunkenness is a deeply faulty social norm.
would you like it if someone peed on your front door?
ruinedbyidiots07.30.09 - 11:40 am
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very true. yeah i guess i just have too much of a positve attitude towards the scene and how people view us, and forget from time to time the whole "guilty by assiocation"
Thegirlinglass responding to a
comment by Roadblock
07.30.09 - 11:45 am
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no, but the lack of public restrooms force people to pee in alleys. kind of like the lack of mental health services forces schizofrenic people to sleep on the sidewalk.
and i don't advocate public drunkenness, but i feel that social drinking in public should not be criminalized. i dont think anyone has ever been arrested for drinking in front of their kids in their own backyard, and so the same logic should apply in public spaces.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 11:46 am
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i'd also like to point out that its easier and more common for people to get away with drinking in their car than for a cyclist to drink in a park. that's why you see so much broken glass on the side of the road: people throwing their empties out the window.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 11:49 am
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1. Stopping have meeting points at liquor stores or other open businesses. Prevent theft and increased drinking.
2. Make sure routes are well thought out (ridden before implemented)
2a. Try to create a route that is respectful of the residential areas. If last legs (late night) of the route are through residential streets... maybe reconsider the path?
2b. Does the route leader "really" know the area he or she is "leading" others?
2c. Does the route appeal to the various types of riders?
Just some suggestions
I think the leaders can do their best to make the route the best possible, but there is not much anyone can do to prevent a few from acting stupid. It comes with ride, just like any other event... you open it to the public, and some are going to do dumb things.
Unlike other events, MR does not hire security.
Theres nothing surprising about what happens on MR, its just that individuals are trying to police the rides, when it does not need to be.
Kids will grow up someday (most will), you just have to deal with it.
md207.30.09 - 11:57 am
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loitering. If they decide you are doing something wrong, then you are doing something wrong.
buckchin07.30.09 - 11:59 am
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OOOOF. i feel bad for anyone who believes a word of this.
ruinedbyidiots responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 12:04 pm
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I just got this image of people drinking Coronas in their car while driving and then throwing bottles out the window.
Never really new this was a problem til now. I'll never look at broken glass the same
md2 responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 12:07 pm
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I've been riding since last November. I've met some really cool people that I consider friends, and I've met some people that make me wonder how they're still alive after some of the shit they've pulled (myself included...we've all done idiotic things...what matters is whether or not we've learned from those mistakes). Riding my bike has changed my life for the better, and I'd be lost without it, and the cycling community. I open with this because I don't want anyone misinterpreting what I'm about to say, although my logic tells me that's inevitable.
Our numbers are great, and not everyone is the same. Therefore, we have different social circles within the cycling community that have different norms, different ideas, and different ways of riding…different ways of everything. Therefore, some people truly don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing, THAT’S a big problem.
It is my belief that the majority of us facilitate great change within ourselves after experiencing something that created a
want for that change. Translation: I think most people don’t change until something really fucked up happens. For example, I’d now like to purchase a really cool helmet because I ran into the back of an SUV last week at about 10-15 mph and stopped with my right cheek. I watch parked cars more closely because I was hit by one pulling out that didn’t look first.
When I say this, consider the fact that I’ve had drinks on rides too, and am not trying to ride a white horse into the garden of immunity. Additionally, I think we can all agree that when we reference ridazz that drink and smoke, we’re referring to those that don’t understand what the word “limit”, or term “blood alcohol level” mean: I don’t think there’s anything we can do about people that drink or smoke (anything besides tobacco) excessively because we are not police officers. We are not their parents or legal guardians. More often than not, we cannot make them “go home” or “leave the ride”, especially when they may have a group of friends with them that endorse that behavior, which leads to conflict, which leads to a situation in which happiness has vaporized. We cannot regulate the behavior of those that do not want their behavior regulated. I don’t mind having my behavior regulated by a ride leader or friends that I trust because I know it’s for the greater good of the group. However, you (the person reading this post that cares about MR’s public image) and I know that there are people that don’t give a rat’s ass about the group (like the kid I saw throw something at a cop...Ugh.)
The most we (and again, by we, I mean the individuals reading this post that DO care about public perception) can do is set the example, and hope that it becomes the dominating groupthink within that which is Midnight Ridazz.
I feel that the Midnight Ridazz is a social group in which the fittest survive. Survival can mean not falling off your bike, not getting arrested, not getting hit b y a car, winning a race…whatever. If someone drinks or smokes excessively, without regard to physical limitations, it’s only a matter of time before they reap what they are sowing. And when they have that brush with reality, it’s up to them to make the change. I’ll be optimistic and say that I think MR will evolve into a culture in which EVERY member, not just some, understands the impact of his or her actions on themselves, and the group. Until then, I’ll be watching the asses of myself, those I call friends, and those who have not purposefully wronged me.
What should we do to clean up the public image of Midnight Ridazz?
Govern ourselves properly, set the example for those that follow us, in search of how to conduct themselves, and hope the best for those that deviate and indulge in ridiculously destructive behavior.
BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji07.30.09 - 12:10 pm
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so the other day i was walking around and i had to take a shit. i couldn't find a public restroom so i just stopped in front of a shop and took a crap on the sidewalk. I dont think there is anything wrong with that. Why would anyone complain about that? I also like to go to playgrounds and fuck my girlfriend in front of everyone. I've never been arrested for doing it at home, so why should i be arrested for doing it in public.
There is a difference between private and public spaces.
Okay i'm off to go drink and throw my bottles out of the car window.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 12:11 pm
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why are we posting 2000 word essays here?
let people do the stupid things they do. let them bitch and whine about it.
i agree with B.
dont go to big rides if your sick of all these hypocritical clowns. let them fuckin crash. why the fuck do you wanna hang out with all these d-bags anyway?
you'd have much more fun just riding with close friends.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji
07.30.09 - 12:13 pm
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if you just want to ride with close friends... why are you even here? so you can talk shit and hate on everyone?
snowcone responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:17 pm
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bc my close friends are on here.
go get a haircut.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 12:19 pm
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why is it that (for the most part) people who have been a part of this scene since before 2008 are the only ones who understand where these complaints are coming from?
ruinedbyidiots07.30.09 - 12:21 pm
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a haircut? wow... i'm so fucking hurt i'm going to go cry in the corner.
dumbest fucking comment i've read today
snowcone responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:22 pm
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So if you are homeless should you not be able to shit?
buckchin responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:22 pm
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good point.
But some also think there is still value in the mass rides, and suggesting (or putting suggestions out there) is at least an easy way to help (hopefully) to make the rides better.
I do agree that there is an unfair about of negativity directed at MR (Ive done it myself). Its not that I dont think MR is essentially a positive (one of the most positive) events Ive experienced (in the past more so), but there is a lack of clarity or agreement about what is the common sense approach to the rides.
That might sound stupid... if its common sense, then it must be easily agreeable, right? Well, I dont know.
I do know this:
When the website took over, we saw a decline in what I call, "inspired rides". Many rush to the carry the torch so to speak, and the results marginalized people. The original leaders really put a good deal of effort into the routes, so it seemed, and its usually missing on the current rides.
I "think" its partly due to the number of rides, so that people have less interest/time to focus on that ONE ride a month. There are so many rides, and the faithful try to attend as many as possible.
Still at the end of the day, critical mass and MR is a wonderful "thing".
md2 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:24 pm
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"why are we posting 2000 word essays here?"
Because I feel like writing...and I don't feel like doing anything with my life just yet. Lmfao.
"you'd have much more fun just riding with close friends."
"Until then, I’ll be watching the asses of myself, those I call friends, and those who have not purposefully wronged me."I agree.
Now, I'm off to ride my bike. I'm on the westside today! Hit me up whoever!
BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:25 pm
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there's a clear difference between peeing in an alley and shitting on a sidewalk, as there is a clear difference between drinking a beer at night in the park and fucking your girlfriend in a playground.
if you're making a point about having a beer in public, talk about having a beer in public.
i feel there is a clear distinction between having a beer in public and being too drunk to stand up. i think you'd all agree.
so can we talk about what's actually happening and not some hypothetical hyperbole bullshit? that would be a much better use of our time-wasting.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:27 pm
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my dear tyler,
folks like snowcone over here will eventually be jaded by all this shit too. but that's only if "cycling culture" continues to stay semi obscure like his moustache/porkchop combination. hopefully he will understand by 2011 if he continues to ride that long.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 12:28 pm
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@md2
i think we all have to just take MR as what it is.
if people dont like the huge rides and feel in danger, say fuck it and do smaller more organized rides.
if people wanna take the risk, let them do it.
@buckchin
the homeless are not allowed to shit. period.
@blackyellowfuji
u know those times when you write something super long and witty, andthen u accidently hit refresh. that fuckin sucks.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 12:34 pm
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it's so cool how you direct your comment to someone else when you are obviously trying to talk to me
i will not become jaded if that's what you consider yourself to be
i've never liked people like you... full of negativity and hate... and i never will
i've always loved people who are friendly and positive and i always will
fortunately you do not represent the majority of the ridazz
snowcone responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:36 pm
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Damn... Kims1...
Im laughing, but under the MR spirit Im not supposed to... The guy already named himself Snowcone, thus inadvertently braking the rule of being mean spirited... towards himself...
why do you have to bring the pain?
md2 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:36 pm
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that would be a much better use of our time-wasting.
Im stealing that line
buckchin responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 12:38 pm
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there's nothing mean spirited about poking fun of oneself
snowcone responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 12:39 pm
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snowcone,
i know kims1 personally. he is only mean-spirited in jest and likely intended his comment in sarcasm. unfortunately, he is not smart enough to realize that you don't realize that, and i must take it upon myself to apologize on his behalf. i suspect he may have eaten a great deal of lead-based paint chips as a child.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 12:41 pm
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I guess it went over your head Iain.
Is there really a difference between the two? please explain. both are unsanitary, both smell, and both are illegal. have you ever walked through an alley, or stairwell, or elevator that's been pissed in? It's fucking gross. Why do you think you should be allowed to contribute to that? the laws are there for a reason. you can work to change the laws, but that doesn't mean you get to do what you want just because you don't like them.
As for the playground comment, how is there a clear difference between the two? According to you if you can drink in the privacy of your own home, you should be allowed to do it in public. Why would public sex be any different? Do you think there is something wrong with sex? Your logic is a double standard. Private space and public space are very different things.
When it comes to the homeless using the streets as their bathroom, to be honest i dont' know how to answer that. I understand that dilemna but at the same time i don't think the majority of the ridazz here are homeless, so it doesn't really apply. Riders have bars, restaurants, hotels, gas stations, grocery stores and other places to use for their restrooms.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 12:43 pm
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I hear you can buy a new bladder pretty cheap on the black market these days.
buckchin responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:49 pm
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you may know him personally, but you may not know him well
snowcone responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 12:50 pm
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snowcone,
im just bustin ur balls.
and for the record, being friendly and positive gets you nowhere.
you need a reality check kiddo.
GORDON GECKO MOTHERFUCKER!
and i dont not represent "ridazz".
if i did, this thread wouldnt exist and we'd all just mind our own business since a bike is just a bike.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 12:50 pm
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acutally i think TV's point was better than that...i assume
I think he meant:
A person can drink IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS in their own backyard
Why cant a person drink IN FRONT OF ANYONE for that matter? Thus if drinking in front of someone isnt really harmful, then why is it banned in public?
The sex analogy doesnt work, because I dont think you should have sex in front of your kids or other kids. Of course many on here will disagree.
I think adults can have sex in front of each other, but since laws are "supposed" to assume the "will" of all citizens, I think most will agree they would like to enjoy public life without watching people fuck, or drink... but drinking laws are weird anyway... so im gonna let that alone
md2 responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:51 pm
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Why do you think you should be allowed to contribute to that?
peeing in public is reasonable if there is no reasonable alternative and you have to pee. i'm not advocating peering in elevators, staircases or on anyone's doorstep. if you gotta go, you gotta go! most civilized major cities have public restrooms for the simple fact that many businesses don't let just anyone use their bathroom.
As for the playground comment, how is there a clear difference between the two?
you wouldnt have sex in front of kids in the privacy of your own home. you are introducing irrelevant elements into the scenario. what exactly is wrong with drinking a beer in public? (one beer)
Riders have bars, restaurants, hotels, gas stations, grocery stores and other places to use for their restrooms.
not always. what if there is nowhere to go? what if nothing's open? what if the restaurant owner tells you "no?"
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:51 pm
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excuse me
i meant
*i do not represent "ridazz"
KiMS107.30.09 - 12:51 pm
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where does "mean" and "negative" get you?
Oh wait.. shit, I know the answer.
md2 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:53 pm
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Ever tried finding a finding a place to pee in hollywood.
buckchin07.30.09 - 12:55 pm
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the point of his comment wasn't about the kids. it has to do with public vs. private and why one person's view on it is any better than another persons view. it all comes back to why this thread is here in the first place. why do people think that they are above the law. if you don't like the laws, work on changing them, but don't think that you can do whatever you want with no consequences.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 12:56 pm
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being mean and negative gets you money and bitchezzz.
dont ever forget that.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 12:56 pm
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to clarify, if you have to go, pee in the best place possible: a urinal, the ocean, an alley, a corner.
or just stay home if you're not blowing your paycheck at a bar, because the city was built to discourage you from taking advantage of the public space without spending money.
tortuga_veloce07.30.09 - 12:56 pm
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pay a quarter and use the restrooms at the redline stations.
ruinedbyidiots responding to a
comment by buckchin
07.30.09 - 12:56 pm
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i do not show love because i expect anything in return
why do you show hate? where does that get you? is it satisfying to you?
snowcone responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 12:57 pm
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yeah i've peed in a ton of restaurants, bars, hotels, and other places in hollywood, all without having to do it on the street.
I have to go to a meeting now, so have fun with this thread. bye guys and gals.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by buckchin
07.30.09 - 12:57 pm
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how are laws changed?
civil disobedience is how the process of changing laws is begun
consider medical marijuana
snowcone responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 12:58 pm
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What if you dont have a quarter or you are not by the redline? Peeing in public saves water.
buckchin responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 1:00 pm
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when I need to pee, I just pee on Borfo
spiraldemon responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 1:00 pm
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i don't think ive been on a ride in well over a year that doesnt have someone drinking on it, group rides that is, and that is a sad sad fact.
when did cycling become synonymous with drinking? oh crank mob.
i miss the really wonderful group rides that made me view the city in a different light, and while i will continue to go on some of the, if anyone ever wants to do a mellow ride, because god knows i dont have tylers legs, minus the drinking, hit me up, until then god damn i will miss a lot of what MR had to offer.
tinycities07.30.09 - 1:00 pm
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have you tried going in dressed in ragged clothes, reeking of urine and filth, covered in dirt, all ragged like many homeless people and been allowed to use the restrooms???
put yourself in their shoes, it's not that easy. people treat you differently based on the way you look
snowcone responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 1:00 pm
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Just for the record...
I'd like to say, helping shield your girlfriend as she pees in public, on public property, is one of the joys in life... if it were legal, I think it would take from that experience.
The first time she asked you to do so, you knew the relationship was going somewhere.
Is it lunch time yet?
Fuck... i can see the santa monica mountains from my window... its torture...
md207.30.09 - 1:00 pm
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bc i like keepin things real.
im sorry but i dont see MR and los angeles as some bike utopian place where everyone here is here to fend for one another and cuddle and be fucking PC all the time.
in time, people in your precious bike community will fuck you, slap you up, and maybe even steal your bike.
or maybe it wont happen.
idk.
but you shouldnt get so butthurt bc i told you to get a haircut.
im only saying bc i just bic'ed my head the other day.
HAHAHAHAHA.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 1:02 pm
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@tortuga
if you're making a point about having a beer in public, talk about having a beer in public.
i feel there is a clear distinction between having a beer in public and being too drunk to stand up. i think you'd all agree.
i don't think we all agree. there are many stages of drunkenness in between having a beer in public and being too drunk to stand up (or ride a bike). there's buzzed and loud, there's drunk and belligerent, there's drunk and stupid, there's vomiting all over the place. just to name a few.
the point is that there is NOT always a clear distinction and that's why there's a law to make it clear.
cassidy responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 1:02 pm
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it's not just cyclists with a drinking "problem", everyone has a drinking problem
snowcone responding to a
comment by tinycities
07.30.09 - 1:03 pm
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the supreme court recently ruled on bratton's "broken windows" policy of policing skid row: they said that it is unreasonable to enforce laws prohibiting sleeping on the sidewalk if a person has no alternative.
i think it would be unreasonable to cite someone for peeing in an alley when there is no reasonable alternative. you don't have to change laws if they are inheirently unfair--they are already invalid.
now ask yourself this: you're a cop and you catch someone peeing in an alley behind a dumpster. you shine your light on him and ask "what the hell are you doing?" he says to you, "i've been walking for two miles and everything's closed! i have no where else to pee!" do you cite them, requiring to go to court to answer for their bladder problems?
this isnt about doing whatever you want; it's about doing what is reasonable.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 1:03 pm
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HAHAHAHA
"The first time she asked you to do so, you knew the relationship was going somewhere."
i agree with you 100%
its kinda gross but also 120% endearing.
awww ur so helpless bc ur squatting behind a pile of rocks and afraid someone will see you. come over here and lemme hug you.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:04 pm
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"being mean and negative gets you money and bitchezzz.
dont ever forget that. "
Kims1,
I know, I know, thats what Im saying... Im just looking at all my money and all the tail around me... I just cut a co-worker for the hell of it, and all the girls were in my office we're emailing me about what Im doing for lunch?
I think I need to enter Big Doe Rehab, with my homie pretty tony
md2 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 1:04 pm
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i'm not hurt.. not at all. i just don't like you.
people aren't perfect and i don't expect them to be perfect. if someone steals my bike, then maybe i didn't do an adequate job protecting it.
snowcone responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.30.09 - 1:07 pm
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YOU LOVE DIVING INTO YOUR POOL OF GOLD COINS!!!
YOU'RE LIKE THE UNCLE SCROOGE OF MR!!!
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:08 pm
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HAHAHAHA.............
You dumb ass, you quoted and agreed to your own comment!
"Until then, I’ll be watching the asses of myself, those I call friends, and those who have not purposefully wronged me." This is a comment you made earlier! LOL
User1 responding to a
comment by BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji
07.30.09 - 1:09 pm
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"i just don't like you."
YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!! WHATS WITH ALL THIS NEGATIVITY AND MEANESS?!?!?
"if someone steals my bike, then maybe i didn't do an adequate job protecting it."
i like that.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 1:10 pm
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I really like a lot of what @BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji has to say, although I don't completely agree with this:
"I don’t think there’s anything we can do about people that drink or smoke (anything besides tobacco) excessively because we are not police officers. We are not their parents or legal guardians. More often than not, we cannot make them “go home” or “leave the ride”, especially when they may have a group of friends with them that endorse that behavior, which leads to conflict, which leads to a situation in which happiness has vaporized."
I think it's up to us to police ourselves and try to keep the cops out of our business. Frankly, I think keeping the cops out of our business should be on everyone's minds - see my comment on security culture in the anarchist conference thread. We can oplice ourselves with love and respect for one another, but if someone doesn't get it, then we need to band together as a group and let them know that they aren't welcome anymore. I acknowledge that it's easier said than done, but we can try.
I also think @tortuga_veloce was tap dancing around a good point, although I don't completely agree with some of his examples.
But once again I find myself quoting @marino's MR profile page, which so perfectly captures why our rides and our existence is so important:
Fuck politics!
Fuck appeals to the authorities for more lenient terms of enslavement!
We are forging a new society, right now!
Every Midnight Ridazz ride, every Tren Way ride, every Sins and Sprockets ride, every C.R.A.N.K. MOB ride is a political ride.
Why? Because it’s a public demonstration of collective happiness without consumerism, without structure, without hierarchies. It’s a demonstration that anarchy is possible AND fun.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
comment by BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji
07.30.09 - 1:11 pm
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Most people on skid row take the bus to other parts of the city to beg, get free food and things then return to skid row at night. Skid row really is not the best place to beg.
buckchin responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 1:12 pm
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Snowcone,
Geez... you should do a better job of protecting your emotions... you dislike Kims1? All I see are letter, words, sentences.... and now youre elevating it to dislike?
Maybe you just dont like his comments?
"I hate Snowcone"
It just seems weird to feel that way... you're just a comment that comes up now and then.... but I hate you.
md2 responding to a
comment by snowcone
07.30.09 - 1:13 pm
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if they can afford bus fare, surely they can afford a quarter for the bathroom, yes?
ruinedbyidiots responding to a
comment by buckchin
07.30.09 - 1:17 pm
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because the city was built to discourage you from taking advantage of the public space without spending money.
tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 3:56 pm
Again, in complete agreement with tortuga_veloce.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:17 pm
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To be honest I don't really think people care that much about us so long as we're not blocking their vehicle. I think they don't even know what Midnight Ridazz is - they're always shouting "CRITICAL MASS" or "CRANK MOB."
Am I right?
HappyLand07.30.09 - 1:25 pm
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I dont get it...
is that a response to me? As in MR forum is a public space, but someone im suggesting the MR public space is not somewhere to let your emotions get aroused?
I think I missed the point, But a coworker gave me some cookies and fruit, so Im this stupid sugar rush combined with coffee.... so Im kind of out of it...
md2 responding to a
comment by Ms. Stephanie
07.30.09 - 1:25 pm
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I love these threads. Seems like there are 2 or 3 a day.
Solution options:
1) Use Depends so you will not need to pee in the alley
2) Don't Drink - no need to pee
3) Use a catheter attached to a pee bag. That way you can drink, ride and pee at the same time.
Foldie07.30.09 - 1:25 pm
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The city has a program where they give rolls of bus tokens to the homeless. Haven't you ever been hit up by someone at a bus stop trying to sell you tokens.
buckchin responding to a
comment by ruinedbyidiots
07.30.09 - 1:26 pm
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and my grammar sucks....
what the fuck did i just write?
md207.30.09 - 1:26 pm
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My grammer sucks to. still waiting for someone to make fun of me for it.
buckchin responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:30 pm
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LOL
If you are defending peeing in public, you've definitely gone off the deep end. its pretty disgusting. sometimes you cant help it and have to do what you gotta do... I do, everyone does... but dont try to justify it. just accept that it's rude and wrong and unfortunately sometimes a necessary evil. I grew up next to a liquor store where the alley was my garage door and common wall and it was disgusting to have to endure the smell I can fully understand why peeing in public is a ticket-able offense regardless of whether there are public restrooms or not.
Roadblock responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 1:31 pm
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I agree with this and would modify.... the city was "transformed" and add that this country is being transformed into a privatized hunk of trash.
Roadblock responding to a
comment by Ms. Stephanie
07.30.09 - 1:34 pm
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Yeah who's the one acting senile? Who's the one quoting and agreeing with themselves? LOL
With lots and lots of luck you'll be where I'm at riding when you're my age. The way you're crashing now, fat chance that'll happen!
User1 responding to a
comment by BlAcKnYeLLoWfUji
07.30.09 - 1:36 pm
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THE RIDE WITH NO NAME IS THE 3RD FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
barleye07.30.09 - 1:36 pm
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Heres to "breaking the seal" too early on a ride... not enough stops, and a lot of catching up to do... good thing most riders are slow
md2 responding to a
comment by Roadblock
07.30.09 - 1:36 pm
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@md2 No, I was quoting something tortuga_veloce said, about public space within our fair city of Los Angeles. Sorry for the confusion.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:38 pm
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"With lots and lots of luck you'll be where I'm at riding when you're my age."
That would take lots and lots of luck, unless you have a really cool delorean that disappear at 88mph.
Though with that basic science you learned a while back, if anyone, you will make this happen.
md2 responding to a
comment by User1
07.30.09 - 1:39 pm
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You all are putting way too much into this.
People are going to do what they want to do.
You do have the power to affect others behavior. So, just lead by example. It doesn't always work, but that's all you can do. Be the change you want to see.
Dot Com
Joe Borfo07.30.09 - 1:41 pm
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I love getting paid to discuss public urination
buckchin07.30.09 - 1:44 pm
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Borfo always the man of reason. +1
Foldie responding to a
comment by Joe Borfo
07.30.09 - 1:46 pm
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well put, ms stephanie.
i think the most important thing is that we're having a reasonable conversation about the world we live in, as opposed to the world of laws. i think too much of the time these two get confused.
you may not agree that it "looks right" when people drink in public, but i'd argue that it's perfectly normal and that our society should stop being so fucking uptight. you can drink alcohol on an outdoor patio in full view of the street, but it's illegal to drink on the sidewalk adjacent. i think that's stupid, but hell, it's the law.
i can always drink a beer from a paper bag, so let's call that a compromise. (this reminds me of a great scene from The Wire.)
and Dan: should you ever find yourself with full bladder and without a bathroom, I hope you think of me.
Adrian_The_BEAST responding to a
comment by Ms. Stephanie
07.30.09 - 1:46 pm
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That is the best fucking comment Ive read in a week.
I hate it when work is slow... but MR is the only forum I can pretend thats cycling related (since i got a bunch of coworkers into MTB riding) and people will respond to almost anything you post.
Its like taking a dump while on the clock--Im getting paid right now!
md2 responding to a
comment by buckchin
07.30.09 - 1:47 pm
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How did people waste time at work before the internet?
buckchin responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:50 pm
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WTF dude? You can't figure out what I said? I simply stated that the way he's currently crashing, he stands a fat chance of being able to ride at my age, like I'm riding at my age. Get it?
User1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:51 pm
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Its like taking a dump while on the clock--Im getting paid right now!
EXACTLY!!!
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 1:52 pm
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I think the great part about midnight ridazz is at least we are discussing it, and most of the people are trying to find a balance between being able to have fun, and not in dangering other people.
buckchin07.30.09 - 1:54 pm
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Dude, my mistake, I totally thought you were just pointing out how hard it would be for him to ride at your exact location, at your current age, when he is the same age as you in the future.
Thanks for clearing it up.
Still waiting on for that syllabus on the basic science course.
md2 responding to a
comment by User1
07.30.09 - 1:59 pm
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"Why? Because it’s a public demonstration of collective happiness without consumerism, without structure, without hierarchies. It’s a demonstration that anarchy is possible AND fun."
how is it not consumerism? were the bikes free? is the beer free? is the weed free? you may not pay someone to ride that night but you sure aren't avoiding being a consumer. these days these rides revolve around consumerism. it's why there are tons of stops at liquor stores. and as for the anarchy part, when the ride dissolves into total anarchy is when we start to have problems. it's been on ongoing problem of how to police our rides. you said it yourself that we need to self policing our group. doesn't that go against anarchy? you want rules, just not the rules as they are now.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Ms. Stephanie
07.30.09 - 1:59 pm
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*endangering
true dat. we come from a range of backgrounds and from all over the country and around LA; we have a variety of opinions, philosophies and politics, but we are still a community.
thats what i love the most about MR.
::sobs::
i love you guise!
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by buckchin
07.30.09 - 2:00 pm
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and come on stephanie, you're a lawyer and you want lawlessness?
brassknuckle07.30.09 - 2:01 pm
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you may not agree that it "looks right" when people drink in public, but i'd argue that it's perfectly normal and that our society should stop being so fucking uptight. you can drink alcohol on an outdoor patio in full view of the street, but it's illegal to drink on the sidewalk adjacent. i think that's stupid, but hell, it's the law.
Correct. And then every July 4 we jerk each other off about being the most free country on the planet, while the rest of the civilized world laughs and laughs at us. "Hejh, hejh, hejh," they say. (<---That's what foreigners sound like when they laugh.)
Well, they laugh at us on the other 364 days of the year too, but you get my point.
PC responding to a
comment by Adrian_The_BEAST
07.30.09 - 2:02 pm
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It's not about policing. It's about reminding others to use common sense.
For example = It's like at Burning Man where they say, "Do what you want as long as it doesn't interfere with other's enjoyment."
radical self reliance
radical free expression
Joe Borfo responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:02 pm
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how is it not consumerism? were the bikes free? is the beer free? is the weed free? you may not pay someone to ride that night but you sure aren't avoiding being a consumer.
Please learn what consumerism is before discussing consumerism. Thanks.
PC responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:03 pm
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wambulam is becoming rather rectangular lately, don't you think?
Joe Borfo responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:05 pm
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it's more complicated than that... BUT I believe the gist of what Ms. Stephanie is quoting is that MR occurs without anyone being REQUIRED to spend money on entertainment. We can all gather in a public place without having to pay to be there - this whole country seems to loathe when people gather at places
other than movie theatres ball parks / stadiums clubs etc etc...
paying for a bicycle is not exactly consumerism... it can be a necessity. consumerism is more about spending money for frivoluous shit....
Roadblock responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:05 pm
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you may not pay someone to ride that night but you sure aren't avoiding being a consumer.
no, you must consume to survive in our society. the difference is, we dont associate having fun with spending money, as one does when their pastimes include going to the club, the bar and the pool hall or cruising in a car.
these days these rides revolve around consumerism. it's why there are tons of stops at liquor stores.
you have the option of not spending money.
and as for the anarchy part, when the ride dissolves into total anarchy is when we start to have problems.
id argue that rides are organized in a plethora of ways. AT does a great job of making highly organized rides, whereas TNS is led by a small group of people who make up the ride as they go, and Venice Critical Mass is a successful example of anarchy.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:08 pm
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Your face is a successful example of anarchy!
oooooohhhhhhh
jonnyboy responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.30.09 - 2:12 pm
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but burning man only last a very, very short time... just wait until the come down hits, and people have to really figure out what to do...
md2 responding to a
comment by Joe Borfo
07.30.09 - 2:13 pm
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but don that's my point. how is buying a bicycle different from buying anything else? if it's a necessity that is one thing, but buying something to go have fun to me seems the same as paying to see a movie. your purchase of an item may be a necessity but it may be considered frivolous by others who don't have the need for it. it's all how you view it. i agree that no one is required to to spend the money but MR is definitely promoting consumerism by stopping at stores for unnecessary items.
brassknuckle responding to a
comment by Roadblock
07.30.09 - 2:13 pm
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you have no idea what you're talking about.
Joe Borfo responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 2:14 pm
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there are sheriff patrols at burning man no?
Roadblock responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 2:16 pm
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Consumerism is the equation of personal happiness with consumption and the purchase of material possessions.
if i buy a vitamin water because im thirsty, that's not consumerism
if i buy a vitamin water because im insecure, that is consumerism
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:18 pm
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MR is definitely promoting consumerism by stopping at stores for unnecessary items
Please. Learn. What. Consumerism. Is. Before. Discussing. Consumerism.
Thanks.
PC responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:20 pm
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You're a... YOU'RE
ahHA!
wait....
jonnyboy responding to a
comment by spiraldemon
07.30.09 - 2:22 pm
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"Anarchy" does not mean chaos, those are two very different things. And lawlessness doesn't mean chaos, either. Those are two serious misconceptions about what anarchy is and means.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
comment by PC
07.30.09 - 2:22 pm
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does the burning man corp allow law enforcement in or is this a requirement for massive desert parties?
SALTON SEA III is my Burning Man
whaaaaaat!
Roadblock responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:24 pm
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basic
- Of, relating to, or forming a base; fundamental
- Of, being, or serving as a starting point or basis
Would "intro science course" make you happy?
Fuck, I can't believe this turd!
User1 responding to a
comment by md2
07.30.09 - 2:24 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumerism
Roadblock responding to a
comment by PC
07.30.09 - 2:26 pm
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Lets just agree that all of us are consumers. But a lot us us are making an effort to consume less.
buckchin07.30.09 - 2:26 pm
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Definitions of douchebag on the Web:
A douche is a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons, or the stream of water itself.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douchebag
A jerk; a mean or rude person; An idiot, a dim-witted person; An individual who has an over-inflated sense of self worth, compounded by a low ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/douchebag
An insult similar to "asshole" or "jerk".
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Douchebag is from Germany. Or Russia. Or... uh... well... anyway, he is MacGyver's bodyguard and life partner. Douchebag and MacGyver enjoy a strange fetish of cutting appendages off of people. He has, by far, the most awesome beard in the game.
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Raliter/Gun:_The_Game
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by User1
07.30.09 - 2:26 pm
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My point is that we constantly need to encourage others to use common sense.
That is all.
REPOST IN YER MOUF
Joe Borfo07.30.09 - 2:27 pm
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most festivals general are a “beer garden prison”
Thegirlinglass responding to a
comment by brassknuckle
07.30.09 - 2:28 pm
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I nominate this thread to be renamed "Compliance".
Joe Borfo07.30.09 - 2:32 pm
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"you said it yourself that we need to self policing our group. doesn't that go against anarchy? you want rules, just not the rules as they are now."
Again, misperceptions about anarchy. Self-policing is at the heart of anarchy: we don't want The State forcing itself on us.
Regardless, all of this nitpicking is truly beside the point. I'm with Borfo. The end.
@Roadblock Don't thow the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to Burning Man. We all have ciriticisms about it (my biggest one being the way they treated the guy who burned the man early a couple of years ago) but seriously, you have not idea until you've been there. You would be amazed at what you saw and experienced. Absolutely amazed. It restores your faith in humanity....which, judging this thread, is a necessary experience every now and again.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
comment by Thegirlinglass
07.30.09 - 2:36 pm
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joking about how you were talking crap to another poster about helmets, and you referred to a "basic science course".
What is basic science?
Its as if there are fundamentals that are easy to learn (lest you take them for granted). Can you explain, justify, prove, the laws of thermodynamics? Im just wondering how your basic science course would help your criticism of the other poster.
Also, did you just shit in your pants or something (surprised?)... I guess it falls in line with that age thing so and so was teasing you about...
If only when Im your age...
md2 responding to a
comment by User1
07.30.09 - 2:42 pm
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I sure md2 is pissed at me cause he lost his autonomous status. He posted a pic of himself in his profile page after I told him I didn't want to debate someone that no one knew.
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 2:48 pm
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hee hee.... something in me loves that someone burned the man early....
I wasnt trying to diss BM. I would love to check it out one day but... I have a feeling I missed out on BM's hey day... which was probably somewhere in the late 80's early 90's.... which is probably similar to the way people feel about MR and the olden days... which I sympathize with... the sentiments are true in a way.... something about a small group of people creating something fantastic and then the "general public" becoming aware of it and transforming it into something else.... maybe it's just that the american general "public" of consumer/users/pretenders found BM and perhaps diluted it (in my mind)... which is why I am holding on to SALTON SEA. please oh please.... let this happen again. let it be beautiful and let it be..... small...
Roadblock responding to a
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07.30.09 - 2:51 pm
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Don just has a grudge against BM because he cant take a shower there. Ha!
Graham responding to a
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07.30.09 - 2:56 pm
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If you go back and look at the thread you are referring to, you'll see that poodle was talking about hearing that lighter color helmets are cooler than dark colored helmets. I made a joke about him "hearing", like it's rumored, as opposed to a fact.
And to answer your other questions, yes the behavior of thermodynamics does have a predictable behavior. That's why they call it "laws of thermodynamics."
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:01 pm
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Yeah, Im mad at you.
So i take it you know me now? You're so bent on this I need to know you idea... I think we should get to know each other... considering your into 9X gay porn, maybe you meant something more special?
I like the idea that a picture really communicates truth or knowledge. Where is Susan Sontag when we need her?
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:04 pm
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allan, your english is so far from proper grammar it's sickening.
*the behavior of thermodynamics are predictable
OR
*thermodynamic behavior is predictable
tortuga_veloce responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:05 pm
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I love that someone burned the man early. I think it was absolutely brilliant.
I'm bringing my Ridazz Camp bar to Salton Sea. BAM.
Okay, way off topic here.
Ms. Stephanie responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:06 pm
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On another note though, I really appreciate you trying to talk some sense into me last saturday. I was out of mind and the whole situation was really unlike me. I know everything was going in one ear and out the other but you stayed consistent with it and I truly respect that. Thanks big dog.
Graham responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:06 pm
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hahaha...
Now youre talking...
So tell me, what makes a law -- a law?
Because they (presumably smart people) called it a "law"?
Predictability? How do you know upon next observation thermodynamics will act the same? And the next time? And the next?
just for starters... I have time, dont worry
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:07 pm
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*the behavior of thermodynamics are predictable"
double fail
*the behavior of thermodynamics is predictable" <- correct
jonnyboy responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:07 pm
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in the first case, "behavior" is the object while "thermodynamics" is the subject.
in the second case, the subject and object are reversed.
FUCKER!
tortuga_veloce responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:18 pm
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The laws of thermodynamics "are" predictable.
The third law of thermodynamics "is" predictable.
The laws of thermodynamics is a set of descriptions about how...
Language is funner
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 3:25 pm
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Whoever said I was into 9X gay porn? I just said that I hope that the hipsters that go to the Nike thing will get their pics plastered on some 9X gay porn bicycling site. How can you infer that I'm into gay porn with that comment? You really make want to stay away from commenting with you. I could clearly understand if you're joking, but nothing leads me to believe this is the case.
Your comment on the picture further makes me want to run the other way too!
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:07 pm
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Poodle, that's not even the sentence! What I said was, "And to answer your other questions, yes the behavior of thermodynamics does have a predictable behavior."
Bad bad doggie!!!
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:10 pm
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You answered just about all the questions yourself! Yes, because with repeated experiments, you get the same results. To the point one can predict the results. At that point it becomes law. That is, until someone proves otherwise. In over a 100 years, no one has proved otherwise.
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:15 pm
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User1,
I dont think 9X gay porn exist... Ill look, but Im not sure it exists. If so, we'll exchange info and I send you a copy.
Are you afraid if you comment with me, you will become gay?
I dont know what the comment about saying something about a picture is referring to, but what are you running from?
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:18 pm
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Earlier I spilled my coffee when I picked it up, and i predicted I would do it again -- and I did.
Is that a law, now?
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:20 pm
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You got it! Have a good day. :-)
User1 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:33 pm
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True, and I shoudlnt encourage any comments that might be posted that would be hurtful to others.
User1,
Before this goes any further, let me just say Im teasing you, and its all in good fun. Whatever your were referring to in your comment, lets keep it a mystery, and Ill end it here...
too much coffee today...
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:34 pm
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Posted before me...
Sounds good. Thanks for chatting... Dont know if I'll ever meet you, but in the event... expect a beer on me... literally.
have a good day
Peace
md2 responding to a
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07.30.09 - 4:36 pm
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"Think about what it would be like to be a driver who accidentally hits a cyclist, only because the cyclist was acting like a drunk asshole or because they had to avoid the drunk asshole. " -wambulance
I think most of us do. I can't speak for everyone.
I vote for Safety Third Ride # 3
Joe Borfo07.30.09 - 4:48 pm
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I thought I was always the biggest bitcher when it came to issues apart from those encountered on MR-Jaunts.
So far, my biggest peeve is the fact that no one where I live sees cycling as a fun activity, rather a form of exercise that keeps their vital signs in check.
After that, past-times seem to consist of getting yelled at by the significant other and hanging at the country club, getting laughed at.
Yes, I'm a bit judging, what else is there to say?
bentstrider07.30.09 - 5:05 pm
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Instead of Salton Sea somewhere else, somewhere new! Salton Sea was great and another trip there would be awesome, but a new place would be fun too.
By The Way Did Allan USER1 get enough credit for the whole Salton Sea thing or am I effed up???
Limeyfly responding to a
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07.30.09 - 10:56 pm
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The United States is less privatized than it was at its inception. This issue is not related to privatization. The attitude of us citizens toward public congregation I believe is something which was developed during the colonization of the us (especially following the lousiana purchase). Because of the massive amounts of land available, practically anyone was able to purchase a large plot for starting a farm. The way they divided them up was terribly organized. Instead of a hamlet system or some system which would create farming communities. They just chopped them up into huge rectangles. The settler would proceed to building the homestead far away from the neighbors in complete isolation. Isolation and privacy became embedded in american culture and it still exists today.
snowcone responding to a
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07.31.09 - 1:29 pm
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Interesting article
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/etan-thomas/can-prejudice-be-justifie_b_246508.html
buckchin07.31.09 - 2:26 pm
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Dogs shit and piss in public. They even fuck in public sometimes!
Just bring one of them little baggies and do the inside-out thing and carry it around until a proper receptacle is found.
That'd be better than most dog owners.
HappyLand responding to a
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07.31.09 - 2:27 pm
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yes ur right Limefly! That User1 really knows a how to make a good party doesnt he? I wonder what he has up his sleeve this year? hmmmmmmm
I hope there's a salton sea thisyear. I want to see what its all about. I heard they kicked out all the hippys in slab city!
NOT a Troll! responding to a
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07.31.09 - 2:38 pm
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I enjoy a little havoc. :D
et07.31.09 - 2:49 pm
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My only complaint is this guy stoled my name for the Hustle ride( I'm not saying no names). Thats not such a big deal, but now he won't let anybody use the name.
hipster07.31.09 - 3:42 pm
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