Obama = Peace
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July at 12.10.09 - 12:29 pm
So says the Nobel Peace Prize Committee as they awarded Obama today.
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The Nobel honor comes with a $1.4 million prize.
If any of you won the peace prize.. would you donate the prize money that comes with it or would you keep it? And would keeping it almost negate the accomplishment that earned you the award in the first place?
July12.10.09 - 12:35 pm
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yes i would keep it after donating 0.4 million to the bike kitchen leaving me a millionaire keeping it would almost negate the accomplishment
louisiana responding to a
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12.10.09 - 12:39 pm
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Aside from running local community centers and being involved in state and federal politics for a short time, I still think it's a little premature to award this guy anything of that magnitude.
Now if we gave it 20 more years and then seen how much farther(or shorter) Barry.O progressed, then the committee could've began making their final awarding decisions.
bentstrider12.10.09 - 12:40 pm
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Ay. Obama's acceptance speech.
So painful.
"The only significant thing I've accomplished so far in office is escalate a war, but um, thanks for this peace prize!"
Totally trying to live up to the legacy, he is. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Henry Kissinger...
(or actually, for that matter,
Teddy Roosevelt)
nathansnider12.10.09 - 12:42 pm
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OBama = Peace (as in nobel peace prize)
it's really an oxymoron of sorts/play on words.
I think it's cockamamie and I'm outraged.
July responding to a
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12.10.09 - 12:44 pm
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While listening to his acceptance speech I would have been really impressed if he would have come out and said he could not accept it. Like Lee Duc Tho did when he didn't accept it and said "there is still no peace in my country". Pretty bold and idealistic especially after having your country (which was poor to begin with) brutalized by war for so many years. That money could have came in handy for the Vietnamese.
This just goes to show what the Nobel Peace prize really is.
sexy12.10.09 - 1:00 pm
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I can't help but think about the prediction Joe Borfo made about Obama announcing the pull out of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq when he accepted the speech.
I guess it was Joe going through one of his "positive thinking" fads.
Will it and it will happen! Not this time little Joey.
sexy12.10.09 - 1:03 pm
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I don't understand why he didn't just refuse the award.
Suck it Sexy.
Joe Borfo responding to a
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12.10.09 - 1:45 pm
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I have to with-hold judgement on the big O and his war management.
He signed a deal with the devil to even be able to get the job of commanding the most powerful imperial army in the world. There is absolutely no way to do that job with out bloody hands. period.
I honestly have no fucking idea why we need to be in Afghanistan in the first place.
What I do know if if troops are being used to create any sort of stability in the region they need to be removed with caution.
If Obama just yanked all the troops out of iraq and Afghanistan and those countries went into complete chaos or had any substantial problems. Obama would lose the next election, and we would undoubtedly get a much bigger war monger in his stead.
The US is in 2 fucked up wars that should have never started and were both horribly mismanaged from day 1. So it makes sense to me, that its gonna take a minute for Obama to clean up the fucked up mess that the bush team left for us.
I think its right to criticize obama from a perspective of peace and progressiveness.
But to discount everything positive thing he has done or is trying to do because he isn't Noam Chomsky i think is a little silly.
trickmilla12.10.09 - 1:56 pm
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It's so sad to see some people are still brainwashed / hypnotized thinking
that this guy knows what he's doing, or has our best interest in mind.
Dedicated818 responding to a
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12.10.09 - 2:07 pm
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i'll bring you a hanky next time i see you.
trickmilla responding to a
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12.10.09 - 3:32 pm
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Totally with you on that one.
As I mentioned some place else, getting a JD, then taking charge of some inner-city community organizations alone won't be enough to deal with the unique sets of difficulties that different factions across the world bring to the table.
The way I see it, myself not having voted for this guy has nothing to do with his race or political affiliation, it's just that his experience level isn't suited for this arena.
City Hall or County government maybe, but Barry O is out of his domain.
Oh well, he's already in there and he's got a few years left to get shit together enough to make some sort of impact.
Let's see where this rookie-driver operating the 18 wheeler known as America will take us!!!!
bentstrider responding to a
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12.10.09 - 4:04 pm
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WAR = PEACE
FREEDOM = SLAVERY
IGNORANCE = STRENGTH
NixonTwin12.10.09 - 6:08 pm
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obama admin spreading peace the night before NPP
"The Obama Administration has filed a brief that brushes over the war crimes aspects of Yoo’s work at the Justice Department. Instead, it insists that attorneys must be free to give advice — even if it is to establish a torture program."
"The Obama Administration has gutted the hard-fought victories in Nuremberg where lawyers and judges were often guilty of war crimes in their legal advice and opinions."
"If successful in this case, the Obama Administration will succeed in returning the world to the rules leading to the war crimes at Nuremberg."
asparagus12.10.09 - 6:13 pm
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Nicely stated asparagus
sexy responding to a
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12.10.09 - 6:18 pm
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Patrick. Maybe you should create the sign in "apologist for Obama"
Do you realize that when you justify the Presidents actions because it is supposedly out of his hands, you are complacent with his decisions. Your explaining away why he commands murderous acts actually makes it sound like it is alright that he is sending more troops into a war that we shouldn't be in and that there is no way we can win.
You say the man signed a deal with the devil. Well then he is obviously guilty of serving the devil, not us.
In Bolivia the people stood up to leaders that they didn't like and forced them to resign with weeks of coming into office. They had President after President until the people got someone that represented their interest. Now the country is better off. The people didn't make excuses of why this guy isn't serving their interest. We could do the same thing here. It starts with people talking about the issue and coming to consensus that the man is wrong for escalating these wars.
sexy responding to a
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12.10.09 - 6:33 pm
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Why don't need to be in Afghanistan. The Taliban wouldn't play ball with us, in helping us build pipelines through their country. They wouldn' t let us set up IMF/World Bank loans to them to finance the project, so in end we could loot their country.
Our economic hitman didn't do the job. Our assassins couldn't get to the Taliban. So the next step is war.
Take a look at where all the US military bases are in Afghanistan, they are along the purposed pipelines mainly the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline.
there is plenty of stories as to why we are in Afghanistan
There is plenty of Energy wealth in the Caspian sea.
It is also a geopolitical power move. Look at where it lies between Indian, Russia, China and Pakistan.
There is the obvious war profits to be made.
Then there is the opium that the Taliban mostly eliminated during their rule.
That dope money could fund many black budget project and the laundering of that money also helps prop up banks and stock markets.
This has been US policy from Clinton to Bush to Obama.
The US had plans to go into Afghanistan before 9/11.
sexy responding to a
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12.10.09 - 6:49 pm
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To say that those countries couldn't work out who would be in power and take charge create order is the white mans western arrogance that people over there couldn't get it together. When we leave they will get together the best they can, despite the US leaving those lands radioactive. If we didn't have geopolitical/energy interest in those countries, we would be out in a heart beat.
Obama is not cleaning up any mess. He is continuing the US policy of those Devils that you said he made a deal with. Kerry and or Gore would have done the same.
What good has he done? Put us in massive debt by giving money to the banks, create the same policy to allow the super rich to keep on draining this country of everything. He is doing the same thing now for the medical insurance companies. He is trying to give them more of our wealth, by creating mandatory business for them.
All of that money given to Wall Street, the Banks and the Military Complex could have been used to build a country that we want. All of that money could have been used to create new infrastructure, education, generally making our country better off. Instead he is wasting our credit on bailing out the rich and trying to dominate the world.
sexy responding to a
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12.10.09 - 7:00 pm
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I think its right to criticize obama from a perspective of peace and progressiveness.
I SUGGEST YOU TRY IT THEN!
No he isn't Noam Chomsky. Obama doesn't put me to sleep when he talks.
Chomsky risked his livelihood and freedom to stop the war in Vietnam. Obama is escalating the wars and serving the rich to further his political career and beyond.
Obama doesn't address real problems facing this country, the world and the people in it like Chomsky does.
sexy responding to a
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12.10.09 - 7:05 pm
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Obama = Deja Vu
Next year he wont have Bush to blame. The blame game is typical of any presidency. You get this free pass to blame the prevous administration. When that excuse wears out, then you'll see the next phase....
Obama will either go down as the most over-hyped figure in history (though still a hero to many -- and rightly so).
I imagine it takes guts to run for president along with a ton of arrogance.
I just keep hoping as we progress into his presidency, he figures out how to make more difficult choices.
Its not that hard, i imagine, to say: Im not going to torture. Thats the difference? Our administration will obey the laws?
Oh, shut the fuck up already. We expect laws to be obeyed, and its sad this is a virtue, when thousands do this without bragging about it. A law abiding administration is strange enough; but we wanted an administration would make the really hard choices (as they obey the law).
MR, Ive given up any desire to torture people too (outside of my posts). Wow, that was easy. Why is it so important for Obama to praise his lack of condoning torture?
Time to either go back to work, and ride our bikes... ain't nothing going to change. Its gotta happen at the bottom, painting sharrows.
md2 responding to a
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12.11.09 - 8:04 am
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Well, others are advocating forms of secession should shit get really ugly, but how often do they follow through?
bentstrider responding to a
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12.11.09 - 9:33 am
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obama would be assassinated by the powers that be if he strays to hard from the agenda. it's true for any president. Clinton was the victim of a character assassination by neo cons Obama will be assassinated by same forces.
Roadblock responding to a
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12.11.09 - 11:27 am
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welcome to the world's soap opera.
coldcut12.11.09 - 11:33 am
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Let's just cross our fingers it doesn't get dropped.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.11.09 - 12:31 pm
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President = Leader
Quit making excuses for the guy
Clinton sold our country out lifting trade embargo's on China
Sold out signing NAFTA
The character assassination was to distract us from the real crimes he committed.
Dedicated818 responding to a
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12.11.09 - 12:44 pm
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obama and just about all elected officials are middle management at best; it's their job to sell the illusion of choice to to those that buy into the fake left/right circus. when ppl stop focusing on these whores and start getting curious about the
real reasons that things are so fucked up there may be some hope.
if you're going to lie, go big:
"America has never fought a war against a democracy, and our closest friends are governments that protect the rights of their citizens." --- President Barack Obama, December 10, 2009
if you're going to gang rape and entire country again, be polite, and let them know in advance
asparagus12.11.09 - 1:21 pm
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^^^ WOW.
Corporations already run the US.... this is just going to empower them even more and cripple the population down to 3rd world nations status. The REAL WAR is here at home. Open your eyes people.... how much more are we willing to take????
July responding to a
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12.11.09 - 1:28 pm
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technically, a revolution has already happened. it just hasn't been given a name yet. the bad guys won and not just in the US. a global counter revolution will have to take place in order to restore any type of liberty/freedom here or anywhere else.
"how much more are we willing to take????"
my guess would be A LOT.
asparagus responding to a
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12.11.09 - 1:38 pm
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Where can we start? By buying guns for when the time comes to bear them? By educating ourselves some more? Or maybe by canceling all our credit cards and car payments? Seriously, it feels like we've been cornered... and any form of opposition we decide to proactively pursue can and will be extinguished. We're running out of time to start making the necessary changes to avoid oppression.
Tell me how we can do it and count me in.
July responding to a
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12.11.09 - 1:47 pm
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The Revolution will not be twittered.
FBI responding to a
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12.11.09 - 1:51 pm
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the world is much easier to understand in black & white / good & evil ... isn't it?
i could spend all day jacking you guys off and celebrating all the ways I agree with you. plus its always cooler to take a "down with the man" stance ... especially if "the man" is supposed to be slightly to the left. i need to brush up my anti-establishment image a little.
I know its not really popular, but I think life and politics is a little more nuanced than "war bad" "US bad" "obama bad".
I try to keep an open mind, listen to "moderate" news sources, as well as stay up with people who or more along my own world view ie . amy goodman & rachel maddow.
I think it great to hold Obama's feet to the fire in terms of doing the right thing. Especially in regards to his stated promises. There is a great deal of influence that common people can have in moving politics closer to the direction the general public would like to see.
but its going to take a minute to see how the real effects of Obama's leadership is going to play out.
Just as we are now living under recession and war and foreign occupation in the aftermath of Bush ... we will really have to wait and see what the some total of Obama's actions are before really making a judgement if his presidency was more good or more bad than any of the others in recent history.
In some aspects Obama is disappointingly similar to most of the US presidents in the last 40 years ... in other ways, he promises to be substantially better for the country as a whole, for the common people and for progressive people ... but government is slow and it is really going to take time to see how things turn out.
But if it makes you feel any better: WAR=BAD=BANKERS=BAD=OBAMA=BAD
there ... i said it.
trickmilla responding to a
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12.11.09 - 1:59 pm
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i don't think violence will be necessary or even effective. but that's just my opinion. this is about information and exposing the real enemies. there are too many people who honestly believe that ours and other governments determine policy and represent our best interests. they are delusional and will continue to be disappointed/fooled by the next slick speech giver and the one after that. waking people up should be the goal.
"Or maybe by canceling all our credit cards and car payments?"
i like, that's how you vote as an individual but in order for it to be effective a buttload of ppl have to be convinced to participate. i'm a huge fan of defaulting on unsecured credit lines and playing limbo with credit scores :-)
asparagus responding to a
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12.11.09 - 2:42 pm
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The REAL WAR is here at home !
That's right.
Are you aware that there are Chinese troops already here in California,
Eminent domain was given to the Chinese to guarantee payment of funds owed.
What about those FEMA relocation camps who are they for ?
Will United Nations troops enforce martial law and do gun confiscation?
Dedicated818 responding to a
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12.11.09 - 2:47 pm
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Then there's also the City of Victorville getting the citizenship ball rolling for having Chinese families pay the city $500,000 each.
Talk about selling themselves up the river.
Apparently, when the city coffers have run dry and services are barely scraping by, shitty politicians will always think with half their ass.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.11.09 - 2:56 pm
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PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW!
It lacks a certain ring to it, but it really would go a long way to solving the corporatism that we associate with the two party system. don't like the democrats or republicans? create a system wherein they can both be voted out of office!
oodlesofpoodles12.11.09 - 3:01 pm
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As opposed to Non Proportional?
Joe Borfo responding to a
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12.11.09 - 3:07 pm
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oh cool do you know where the chinese troops are located? how do we find them?
Roadblock responding to a
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12.11.09 - 5:10 pm
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it wouldn't be surprising if china had troops in or near the usa to protect their assets.
asparagus12.11.09 - 5:52 pm
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right because it's absolutely true that the US has troops all up in China's guts. South Korea, Phillipines Afghanistan etc etc
Roadblock responding to a
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12.11.09 - 6:02 pm
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Lucky for us that they are there.
The U.S. Marines will squash em quick.
The Question is why is your communist president even allowing them here
in the 1st place ?
Or the other UN troops to be on our soil ?
Is he afraid of the people ?
3% of the population revolting is 3 times the size of our military.
Dedicated81812.11.09 - 6:36 pm
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Better to go out on the RED list, with my last breath being FREE.
than be a unaware ass sucking hippie YELLOW lister.
Dedicated818 responding to a
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12.11.09 - 6:45 pm
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Pfft. Shows how much
you know. I'm on the MAUVE list. Suck on that!
nathansnider responding to a
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12.13.09 - 4:17 pm
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I heard the UN is planning to control the world.
Roadblock responding to a
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12.13.09 - 4:32 pm
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how is a "last breath" free? that shit costs a lot of money. you know the cost of funeral prices these days?
Roadblock responding to a
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12.13.09 - 4:33 pm
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They'll most likely dump the body in a river, police find it, and they'll place it in the "cold-case" room.
For those of us that can't get into the military, fuck 'em.
That's what militias are for.
Some would probably label them as racist powerhouses, but some of them are merely there as an alternative to what bullshit might come to pass.
I'm actually fond of secession being a good thing for us all.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.13.09 - 4:44 pm
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that's a scary thought... people rejected by the military forming their own militias? if they cant get in the military then what are they fighting for? imagine bunch of dudes disgruntled at the fact they couldnt get on the gov. payroll... wow.
Roadblock responding to a
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12.13.09 - 4:51 pm
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No, more than that.
Government getting too big for its own good, departments within departments, trying too hard in the wrong ways to appeal for different demographics of the country that they've never experienced.
Fact is, there's too many people for one government to take care of.
Self-sufficiency and small-level organization is key to things not falling out of shape.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.13.09 - 5:13 pm
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Oh, and for what's it worth, if I wasn't one year shy of voting age in 2000, I would've voted Gore.
I'm not exactly straight Repub, not exactly straight Dem, I just sit on the fence and read track records.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.13.09 - 5:26 pm
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Give us updates on this "self-sufficiency" thing as you figure out the details of how it'll apply to your own situation.
I'm amused that there are so many people whose idea of utopia relies on an apocalypse coming along first to get things started (coupled with their conviction that they will be among the ones who'll survive said apocalypse). Good luck on both of those fronts, is all I can say.
nathansnider responding to a
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12.13.09 - 5:28 pm
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self sufficiency would mean that bent would have to give up all his weapons and tanks and military toys dreams.... those technologies were invented by huge government funded programs involving scientists, psychologists, chemists, and a slew of extremely educated liberal people working on space agency programs and civilian infrastructure. basically everybody that the conservatives hate has led to every advancement that the military relies on. the military certainly DOES NOT by any stretch of the imagination rely on people to be self sufficient for it's advanced technologies. Technology requires decades of invention on an international and well funded scale.
self sufficient militias of small groups could never come up with any of that stuff on their own. they are basically consumers of products developed by the very nation states they lash out against.
Roadblock responding to a
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12.13.09 - 5:39 pm
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Hope for Change
when your licking a UN soldiers boot.
Dedicated81812.13.09 - 8:12 pm
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L oh fucking L!!!!! you've been listening to too much conservative talk radio dude. they love to bash the UN because the UN is the only body that has enough teeth to expose war crimes perpetrated by western client states and corporations.
Neocons love to smeer the UN and here you are unwittingly following their lead. you probably afraid of Iran too. truth is the UN does have significant power but only if the US and 4 other super powers vote for it to all at the same time.
Roadblock responding to a
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12.13.09 - 11:50 pm
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Aw fuck it!!
At least while I was on the road, I didn't have the luxury of being exposed to Faux Noose or MSMTV on a daily basis.
Just the open road and a whole lot of nothingness to get lost in.
In a way, ignorance is bliss and I would probably bitch less if I never saw any of the ugly shit unfolding.
But, the other alternative is dumping firearms and fighter jets for spears, bows/arrows, and slingshots.
bentstrider responding to a
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12.14.09 - 7:34 am
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-Dexter-12.14.09 - 11:22 am
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