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Critical Mass SF People Behaving Badly
Thread started by digablesoul at 11.4.09 - 4:19 pm

I know SF Critical Mass is alot bigger than LA but this just makes me take a closer look on the corking side of the rides. Obviously SF drivers wait longer than LA but still these are just some examples of how not to confront drivers at intersections. I'd be pissed if someone sat on my hood.

Critical Mass SF People Behaving Badly


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People are going to condemn me for this, but I feel like saying what I believe:

I think Critical Mass is inherently a problem because of it's political & self righteous nature.

I think Midnight Ridazz is the antidote to CM for it's fun and courteous nature.




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Joe Borfo
11.4.09 - 4:23 pm

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WAHHHH/big>





_iJunes
11.4.09 - 4:25 pm

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I agree with king borfo. People are always going to site CM as bicycle culture gone bad. Trying to paint the whole community is wrong but that is how it goes.



Foldie
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11.4.09 - 4:26 pm

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LA Critical Mass is much more civilized. They even stop at red lights sometimes letting all the traffic go first. Thankfully LA does not follow the SF rules.



sgrant
11.4.09 - 4:26 pm

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Rules?



Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 4:27 pm

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oops, I meant to say...Thankfully LA doesn't follow SF example.




sgrant
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
11.4.09 - 4:28 pm

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okay. But from my experiences with LACM, it hasn't been much different.

I would like to see it change, but I'm beginning to doubt the whole nature of it. I could be wrong. I mean, I attended Chicago Critical mass this summer and it was really fun and courteous. There are several reasons why this is the case. I would tell people if they were interested, but it just doesn't seem like the "Leaders" of CM care to see the light.

I prefer late night rides that are pre-planned and organized, led by experienced riders who promote the use of road safety and keeping the ride together as a whole.





Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 4:34 pm

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BULL SHIT, LET ME COUNT THE TIMES I'VE SEEN RTDAZ FUCK WITH DRIVERS
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eddieboyinla
11.4.09 - 4:39 pm

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That's true too.

I don't think it is the fault of Midnight Ridazz. It's just a name that reflects that we are a community that promotes rides from this website in the spirit of fun and leaving no rider behind.

The people who are to blame are the inexperienced or hot headed confrontational pricks who come on the rides who have no regard for the image of the group that they represent. I really don't know the solution for these people. I have seen them change after time and become more respectful and aware of how to behave in a group. Some people just don't care at all and can not be trusted.

It's just the way it goes.

I really hope that LACM can improve its vibe and style. I have ideas of how it could work, but then I am not in charge, I am just a voice to try to influence others. I understand the ideals of Critical mass and i support them. I just have come to believe that it ultimately leads to an attitude that creates confrontation. If we want to make harmony with the minds of non cyclists we need to try to lure them in with fun and safety rather than a don't tread on me attitude. i don't know. these are just my thoughts.



Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 4:50 pm

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think Critical Mass is inherently a problem because of it's political & self righteous nature.

I think Midnight Ridazz is the antidote to CM for it's fun and courteous nature.


Where is Crazy Penis when you need him?

Critical Mass is political
MR is not political

ATTENTION ALL NORTH AMERICANS
DO NOT USE WORDS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
LIKE THE WORD "POLITICAL"



Political comes from the word Polis which means city Anything you do as a group in an urban environment is political.

On the other hand if you stay on your own and don't get involved in public affairs you are an idiot (look it up).



marino
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11.4.09 - 4:55 pm

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Fine, replace effing word "political" with the phrase "agenda driven". You seem to relate to that term, right?

There you go! Geez.



Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 4:57 pm

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I have been riding LACM for seven months now.
The so-called 'leaders' of LACM do not advocate or encourage riders to have confrontations with cars. No one talks about politics or anything like that. Everyone is just there to enjoy riding around the city. It's actually a good vibe.
But with 350 riders, and maybe five "leaders" it's tough to keep the whole group in check.
There are always a couple of troublemakers, but on the whole, everyone is just there to have fun. Borfo you should come out and ride though. I am sure everyone would appreciate your insight and assistance.;



hockeyjockey
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
11.4.09 - 4:59 pm

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It's not that I don't want to ride LACM, I actually do. I guess I still have some hope in it after all.

It's that I don't always get the chance with my work schedule to get to that part of town in time and stuff. But I'll try. Thanks.



Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 5:01 pm

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Some people just don't give a fuck, including such "ride leaders."

I thought this SF Critical Mass video was really bad, and then I thought about our own Critical Mass and realized it's just as bad.


Do you guys remember the RWNN that promoted safe riding? The one that promoted riding on the proper side of the street, etc? I think there should be a Critical Mass and People's Ride dedicated to that.
I've led the People's Ride a couple of times though, and it's very hard to get those riders to listen. EVEN IF YOU'RE ASKING POLITELY.



imachynna
11.4.09 - 5:09 pm

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Ultimately, I keep getting disillusioned with CM and big group rides. It's a constant struggle to influence people to stay in check. That's been my take on it anyhow.

I wish there were easier solutions.



Joe Borfo
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11.4.09 - 5:12 pm

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I understand how you feel. I think everyone feels that way at some point. That's why RWNN is a great ride, and it's also the reason I took Happy Friday all the way to Downey. Taking people 15 miles out of their safe space is a good way to keep them in check.



imachynna
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11.4.09 - 5:16 pm

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words change in meaning... thats why some are interested in etymology. Just because a word historically meant something, does not negate its present meaning or usage. In fact I think a word needs to be used in publications about 500 times before being allowed lexical status.

So borfo is not incorrect to use political in this context/usage.

I dont agree with the distinction between Cm and MR.

For one: does it matter?

MR is not "just" a party. It has many undertones... early on, megaphones would be used to shout anti-corporate slogans... whatever...

Many parties.... or just the idea of riding to party... can be political... in a sense MR can be whatever you want, just as CM can be.

MR's agenda: Party
CM's agenda: political party

And really whats the difference?



md2
responding to a comment by marino
11.4.09 - 5:19 pm

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Borfo, you've been on Chicago's CM rides more than LA's, haven't you? How do you even know the pulse of LACM ride? From reading the boards? The current LACM is such a mild version of itself, it's hard to identify it as being any different than any other MR ride. The last ride was lead by some foolz from MOM for example. That's a long ways off from what LACM was and should be, IMHO. LACM has been for the most part, declawed and neutered.

I've also witnessed attitudes like this on MR rides. This type of confrontation is not limited to CM rides.



User1
11.4.09 - 5:57 pm

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The last time I went to SFCM, they tagged on my head when it got to Dolores park.



tivu
11.4.09 - 8:09 pm

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Bureaucratic is a better term.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by marino
11.5.09 - 6:33 am

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I thought the riders in that video were pretty calm.

"Stay in your car" is excellent advice.



jericho1ne
responding to a comment by bentstrider
11.5.09 - 8:13 am

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Smaller rides are just more fun.

Once a crowd becomes a mob, there's a kind of sameness and predictability that takes over.

But, eh, whatever... When's the next liquor stop?



nathansnider
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
11.5.09 - 10:39 pm

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That's how we roll!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by nathansnider
11.5.09 - 10:50 pm

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I miss Los Angelopes. That was such a sweet ride.



digablesoul
responding to a comment by nathansnider
11.5.09 - 11:00 pm

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I say we bring it back!



Joe Borfo
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11.5.09 - 11:12 pm

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