stop spreading your political propaganda here
_iJunes09.21.09 - 2:48 pm
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It's a status report, not a political view.
That's not to say I don't voice my political opinions here. But I'll make a deal with you. You stop spamming and I'll stop posting my political views. Deal?
User1 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 3:00 pm
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lol c'mon GUY, you know me better
i didnt even watch the damn thing.
_iJunes responding to a
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09.21.09 - 3:01 pm
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no! they are 11th! hmm interesting.
I knew France was good but I don't want to learn to speak French. where's England?
la duderina09.21.09 - 3:44 pm
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"WHO's assessment system was based on five indicators: overall level of population health; health inequalities (or disparities) within the population; overall level of health system responsiveness (a combination of patient satisfaction and how well the system acts); distribution of responsiveness within the population (how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system); and the distribution of the health system's financial burden within the population (who pays the costs)."
what if a country's population has more health problems? either from pollution, genetics, etc.
how is overall level of population health determined? they didn't come and run tests on me... if they went to my HMO for statistics, they wouldn't be getting perfectly accurate information because my HMO refuses to run tests it doesn't think are necessary.
this study is flawed.. throw it out
snowcone09.21.09 - 3:51 pm
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honestly the most important thing is the appearance of doing the best job relative to the rest of the world.
if the WHO released a report claiming the US as the best... people would feel better about their health system
it's true, but it doesn't mean our health system is any better
stop using comparisons to determine how good our system is because each country has unique problems and challenges and the same systems won't work just anywhere. they have to take into account our differences.
snowcone09.21.09 - 3:54 pm
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when you apply tried and true techniques from one thing to another.. you lose
australia's cane toad problem is an example
snowcone09.21.09 - 3:56 pm
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Wait, you're saying this report is flawed cause they didn't run tests on you???? Are you serious???? LOL Dude, they more I read about your posts the more you're looking somewhat whacked out. The WHO is made up of 193 members from all over the world. These members vote on the programs and policies of the organization. There isn't another organization that is as unbiased in a report of this nature that comes close to them. If there is, let's here about it.
This is what they say about themselves,
WHO is the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system. It is responsible for providing leadership on global health matters, shaping the health research agenda, setting norms and standards, articulating evidence-based policy options, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends.
In the 21st century, health is a shared responsibility, involving equitable access to essential care and collective defence against transnational threats.
How could be so critical of a organization like this just because you personally was not examined? YO WACK!
User1 responding to a
comment by snowcone
09.21.09 - 4:19 pm
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Far more than I trust this government we live in. And like I said before, find me a better organization to believe in.
User1 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:31 pm
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I know what the UN is, but what do they do again?
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:32 pm
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User1, i dont know, but here are a few you might want to believe in:
humane society?
National Geographic?
WWF?
GALC?
National Soft Drink Association?
Association for Voluntary Sterilization?
Procrastinators' Club of America?
Count Dracula Society?
Beer Can Collectors of America?
Society for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop Quartet Singing in America?
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:39 pm
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I know, User1, the IMF!!!!
bbwwaaahahahahahahahha lmfao
la duderina09.21.09 - 4:41 pm
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Im gonna say:
Scientology
or
The Oakland Raiders.
Geez, can someone please believe in the Raiders...please?
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:48 pm
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Yeah I kinda figured there wasn't anyone that even compares to the WHO. Just thought I would give all you naysayers an opportunity to sway my mind with something rational. What a waste of time.
User109.21.09 - 4:49 pm
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Are fucking kidding me?
The Barbershop Harmony Society has many distinguished members, who you might be pleased to know are also Environmental experts... (see their flash player on the home page under number 2).
http://www.barbershop.org/
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:52 pm
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you want rational? huh?
Here: 1+1 = 2 (rational, right?)
2+2 = 4 (still rational?)
4 is the number of person needed to create a quartet... as in the: Society for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop QUARTET Singing in America
has your mind been swayed?
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:55 pm
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Geez, can someone please believe in the Raiders...please?
what, have you never been to the I.E.?
la duderina responding to a
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09.21.09 - 4:58 pm
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I'm pretty sure the WHO knows what the eff they're talking about and know how to conduct an exhaustively accurate and unbiased study accounting for differences that would skew the results.
0gravity responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:03 pm
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md2,
You won't get an answer from cause I feel pretty much the way Marino does. You hide behind anonymity, then that's what you get. I'll act like you don't exist. It won't stop you from commenting to me, just don't expect a reply.
User1 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:04 pm
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hahaha... you are just too stupid to understand my point which was explained later. the point is that they are basing their findings on data gathered from most likely health care providers which are not doing a good job diagnosing and testing people. i didn't see any sources sited in the report and also i've read they no longer do the rankings.
this is also something i found which talks about their rankings:
"The World Health Report 2000, prepared by the World Health Organization, presented performance rankings of 191 nations' health care systems. These rankings have been widely cited in public debates about health care, particularly by those interested in reforming the U.S. health care system to resemble more closely those of other countries. Michael Moore, for instance, famously stated in his film SiCKO that the United States placed only 37th in the WHO report. CNN.com, in verifying Moore's claim, noted that France and Canada both placed in the top 10.
Those who cite the WHO rankings typically present them as an objective measure of the relative performance of national health care systems. They are not. The WHO rankings depend crucially on a number of underlying assumptions— some of them logically incoherent, some characterized by substantial uncertainty, and some rooted in ideological beliefs and values that not everyone shares.
The analysts behind the WHO rankings express the hope that their framework "will lay the basis for a shift from ideological discourse on health policy to a more empirical one." Yet the WHO rankings themselves have a strong ideological component. They include factors that are arguably unrelated to actual health performance, some of which could even improve in response to worse health performance. Even setting those concerns aside, the rankings are still highly sensitive to both measurement error and assumptions about the relative importance of the components. And finally, the WHO rankings reflect implicit value judgments and lifestyle preferences that differ among individuals and across countries."
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9236
snowcone responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:05 pm
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so what do I make of this post Im replying to?
Why are you being so irrational but asking us to be rational... you're like an ex-girlfriend of something...fuck.
Believe in WHO...
I dont hide behind anonymity, anonymity hides me...unless you know me.
Just relax and enjoy your thoughts
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:10 pm
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Of course the CATO institute would say that. They're among the loudest "Think Tank" voices for conservative opposition to health care reform.
If you suspect bias at the WHO then aren't you smart enough not to trash them by regurgitating bias CATO blather? In fairness, I wouldn't trust MSNBC (or Fox) to be unbiased about WHO. So don't go quoting a known quantity like CATO.
0gravity responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:26 pm
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Yeah I saw your silly comparison with the frogs thing, but I figured you probably regretted posting that. I know I would! Yes some countries differ on what they're health problems are and MAYBE how to resolve it, but overall everyone wants a healthy life and be able to see a doctor to get matters resolved. It's not like comparing apples and oranges. It may be the equivalent of comparing different variety of apples.
So I guess the Cato Institute is your offer of a better organization to follow regarding this issue? I have alot of problems with the Cato Institute. They are not a world organization, and no where near what WHO is in their membership and procedures. Cato scholars base their work on a variety of religious perspectives. Big problem when religion plays a part of society in whole on an issue like this. Furthermore they are tied to corporate support, unlike WHO.
Is this the best you have? Frankly Cato is not any better than WHO in terms of structure or credibility.
User1 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 5:56 pm
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User1,
reply to me, please....please...
md2 responding to a
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09.21.09 - 6:03 pm
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And if WHO is such a disreputable, biased organization (which it isn't), then why does our own US Dpt of Health and Human services and our Center for Disease control follow first and foremost the WHO when tracking swine flu and other global pandemics.
Maybe CATO has an answer for that disconnect in trashing WHO.
0gravity09.21.09 - 6:07 pm
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Ur kidding right?
User1 responding to a
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09.22.09 - 12:16 am
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Of all the bullshit that comes out of my mouth, I don't even know what I'm saying half the time.
I must'a hit my head harder than I thought in '07.
bentstrider responding to a
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09.22.09 - 12:23 am
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you can attack the source, but the points are valid
if no one ever finds out if there is something wrong with me, how can my health be properly measured? it cannot... you cannot take into account unknowns. a lot of times you will see a sudden and dramatic increase in the prevalence statistics of a condition, but it's not because it's more prevalent, it could be because dateline aired a show on it and people asked to get tested or because a new test was developed for it.
i know my current health care provider sucks, and i know the biggest contributing factor: the shitty doctors. and because the doctors are crap, no health care plan will work until we can produce better doctors.
snowcone09.22.09 - 4:20 am
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Not enough doctors seems to be the problem.
The few times I've gone into a hospital, there were patients just crowding up the waiting rooms waiting to be seen by what few nurses there were available.
Then after that, it was maybe, 1-3 doctors working the entire hospital during a given shift.
In this regard, the education system needs to be overhauled to the point where prospective students will be able to focus solely on careers.
Not having to take an assload of general ed classes that will probably never see any use aside from striking up conversation some place.
bentstrider responding to a
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09.22.09 - 4:35 am
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it's all a fucking cartel between the drug industry, universities, health care providers, and the government.
drug company: i make the drugs
university: i teach people to use the drugs
health care provider: i distribute the drugs
government: i let them get away with it as long as i get a fucking cut
snowcone responding to a
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09.22.09 - 10:00 am
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and i consume the drugs.
seems to working fine... we're all a bunch of scholars, this thread would be a perfect rebuttal to the WHO report.
Lets pat each other on the back for our lack of expertise, our in depth study of 5 articles and our 10+ hours of health care contemplation... add our increasingly popular internet voice... and what does that offer the world?
Time: 2009 person of the year:
YOU!!!
(we win again)
md2 responding to a
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09.22.09 - 10:13 am
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So you guys given up on naming an organization that remotely compares to WHO?
User109.22.09 - 12:20 pm
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HMO
that remotely compares.... maybe no one really cares to play the game except me... but in fact i dont care either...
believe who you want... just leave your beliefs open to repair and destruction
md2 responding to a
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09.22.09 - 12:23 pm
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Hi. I'm rebuilding the Masi. I will be without a ride for a while because I'm waiting on parts. I wonder how our health system will be ranked next year. I hope we rank better than, what was it, 37th?
tern09.22.09 - 1:57 pm
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Most universities are nothing but continuation high schools when it comes to behavioral matters.
Except for the states and municipalities actually hurting for enrollment.
bentstrider responding to a
comment by snowcone
09.22.09 - 2:04 pm
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Come on everyone knows who md2 is. It is so obvious.
buckchin responding to a
comment by User1
09.22.09 - 2:11 pm
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Well, I'm not going to completely give up on an education, I'm waiting until I'm able to move to Kansas or New Mexico.
An AS from Tucumcari Community College and a BS from New Mexico School of Mines/Technology works just as fine as the same thing from a crowded house like what we got here.
bentstrider responding to a
comment by snowcone
09.22.09 - 4:42 pm
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Anybody have that link to the Trucker Translator?
Joe Borfo09.22.09 - 4:50 pm
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