OBAMA SMOKING A..
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eddieboyinla at 12.17.08 - 6:58 pm
..JOINT IN COLLEGE.
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eddieboyinla12.17.08 - 7:02 pm
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Nice photo!
I'm currently reading "Dreams of My Father" and he talks pretty extensively about his partying days in high school and at Occidental College.
How much better is that than Bush's coke snortin' lying ass.
Or Clinton's: I did ... but it was in England, and I didn't inhale.
trickmilla12.17.08 - 7:05 pm
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REALLY NOT THAT DIFFERENT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO BE STONED TO TAKE OVER THE PRESIDENCY, RIGHT?
eddieboyinla12.17.08 - 7:07 pm
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Shit we actually might have a chance to fully legalize buds if the president smoke blunts +1 for Obama
Debut21312.17.08 - 7:14 pm
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he won't completely legalize weed, but he has said that he fully supports the use of medical marijuana and will recognize it as a valid medicine under federal law. WHICH IS AWESOME.
its funny, according to the Feds, cocaine and meth have valid medicinal qualities, but cannabis does not.
wtf?
la duderina12.17.08 - 7:23 pm
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he won't do shit. puppets obey their masters.
coldcut12.17.08 - 7:24 pm
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coldcut is another one of these people who can see the future.
la duderina12.17.08 - 7:25 pm
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no, i just don't believe in the two party system facade.
if believing in this bullshit capitalism helps you wake up every morning, more power to you.
coldcut12.17.08 - 7:28 pm
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actually the possibility that I may one day rip it apart limb from limb is what wakes me up in the morning.
But I do believe that a good person running the country can change things. Look what FDR did. And he went into office in the EXACT SAME economic situation as Obama will be. Or look at Dennis Kucinich, I don't see any puppet strings on that man. Change can happen that's the way democracy is set up and I believe in that.
And if you don't, well I just feel bad for you.
la duderina12.17.08 - 7:36 pm
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in re-reading "actually the possibility that I may one day rip it apart limb from limb is what wakes me up in the morning. "
+∞
SoapBoxLA12.17.08 - 8:07 pm
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if this was a true democracy, it would work like that. but our country is run by money interests, thus it is not a true democracy. it's called lobbying. it's cool that you wanna work from the inside and change shit, but again, the system doesn't work like that. if you reform something or truly try to change things and not play by the rules, they'll get rid of you however they please and or reform back to the old standards. they, being the ruling class elite. people with alot of fucking old money.
coldcut12.17.08 - 9:50 pm
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but that's enough for me on this subject. if i ever meet you in person, i'll definitely talk about it. i don't like the internet.
coldcut12.17.08 - 9:52 pm
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the working class do not control this "democracy" nor will they ever, sadly. it's just a facade.
coldcut12.17.08 - 9:55 pm
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+1 coldcut
obama already reserved himself on some positions
aksendz12.17.08 - 9:56 pm
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yeah! you wonder why he's choosing people that who's politics do not align with the politics on his campaign? it's not to be bipartisan. he's a puppet, like bush.
coldcut12.17.08 - 9:57 pm
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the word 8 that, you know what i mean. i'm stoned.
coldcut12.17.08 - 9:58 pm
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the working class do not control this "democracy" nor will they ever, sadly. it's just a facade.
News flash: the working class no longer exists. It has been destroyed.
yeah! you wonder why he's choosing people that who's politics do not align with the politics on his campaign? it's not to be bipartisan. he's a puppet, like bush.
In reality, it is political genius. Haven't you heard of Lincoln's team of rivals? A president can't please everyone all of the time. People have interests other than YOURS and he's got to please them, too.
And change doesn't happen over night. Take the suffrage movement for example. Not many people know that Susan B Anthony died about 15 years before women got the right to vote. And she worked her whole life for that purpose.
Obama is a black man. He switched SEVEN...SEVEN states from red to blue. and you are sitting here telling me change can't happen?
I know money interests run our country. I know all of that. But the reason it is that way is because the fucking republicans have been running shit for too damn long. Democrats had TWO (or was it 4) years with majority rule back in the Clinton years, then the republicans took Congress back, basically disabling Clinton as an effective president. And they've had since then until now to FUCK EVERYTHING UP. Which they have.
You'd be suprised the things that can happen when democrats are running things. (Let me point back to my FDR example) People really need to bone up on their history.
And you say this 2 party system is a facade. Well its not really, it is what we have currently evolved into. Our democracy is forever evolving, and Obama is the first step in our evolution for the better. Yeah he may not be perfect but its a step.
Also, with the way things are right now, people know whats up. They know they are getting fucked. That's why the democrats are back in control...and that ALONE is change.
Finally, to sit here and say things aren't going to be any different, well that makes me think that you just haven't been paying attention the last 8 years. And I really can't stand all of this "oh he's going to be just the same as everyone else" BULLSHIT. It's a fucking cop-out. You don't want shit to be the same? Then stop fucking whining and
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
la duderina12.17.08 - 10:39 pm
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News flash: the working class no longer exists. It has been destroyed.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. talk about delusional.
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:41 pm
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the republicans and democrats answer to the same people!!!
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:42 pm
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And how am I delusional? if you're going to call me that you should at least explain your reasoning.
I'd really like to know where the middle class is, cuz I haven't seen it since about '04
la duderina12.17.08 - 10:45 pm
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you're so funny. cspan rots the brain. that's cool though, you have spirit. i respect that.
alot of your fellow riders are working class individuals. yeah, some of the hipster douchebags transplants have money, bit there are alot of people who work paycheck to paycheck to survive!
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:46 pm
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News flash: the working class no longer exists. It has been destroyed
that's right up there with "jesus saves" and "racism's been erased."
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:48 pm
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EXACTLY "they are working paycheck to paycheck to survive"
That is NOT working class my friend. That is POOR.
la duderina12.17.08 - 10:49 pm
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that's fucking working class.
oh my god.
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:52 pm
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i take it you never have had to worry about having a roof over your head in any point of your life. must feel nice.
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:52 pm
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sorry for threadjacking, eddie!
coldcut12.17.08 - 10:57 pm
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First, you dont know me or my life, ok?
Second, it goes like this:
Upper class
Middle Class (WORKING CLASS)
Poor
....and I just so happen to know these sort of things
la duderina12.17.08 - 10:59 pm
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Yeah, get rid of the capitalist system.
Why should we have free market competition to see who can make the best product at the best price?
That's just a greedy western way of thinking.
Oh, wait, all those bike parts we use and like? They'd all pretty much suck and/or cost several times as much if there weren't a bunch of different companies competing for our business.
Think about why the U.S. doesn't import Russian or Chinese cars, and that will tell you all you need to know about what happens to production quality in the absence of competition.
Or, if you're bicycle-minded, compare the 1 speed, 40lb+ Flying Pigeon, traditionally China's national bike, which goes for $299, with any of the $299 bikes (fixies or geared) at bikesdirect.com that weigh about half as much.
There's a lot to be said for a free market. It needs to be regulated better (clearly), but it's not like there are many viable alternatives.
JB12.17.08 - 11:01 pm
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yeah capitalism is definitely a big huge piece of shit. I hate capitalism
la duderina12.17.08 - 11:05 pm
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russia and china are capitalist countries!
this thread makes me laugh.
that's a truly funny class scale. you can't even acknowledge the working class. you call them "poor." that's fucking sad and says alot.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:05 pm
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it's sad when people who think they have progressive and liberal views really have conservative views. knowledge is power.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:07 pm
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-1 coldcut.
this kid has his youtube arguments disorganized
aksendz12.17.08 - 11:07 pm
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i'm not a kid. i'm just actually versed in global politics and political science. it's cool though, i'm no preacher. keep on believing in what you want. ignorance is bliss.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:09 pm
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moscow, russian has more billionaires per capita than any other play in the world.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:12 pm
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"yeah capitalism is definitely a big huge piece of shit. I hate capitalism"
You'll realize it has its perks when you decide to try to pay off those student loans from law school, unless you really stay on a budget while you're there.
JB12.17.08 - 11:15 pm
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I think its funny that coldcut doesn't realize that I agree with everything that he/she has said, except for the fact that I think if people stop whining and get up and do shit that shit can change.
la duderina12.17.08 - 11:16 pm
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my bad, i just like to debate. i'm sorry if i'm an asshole at times. i'm a nice guy really. i have love for humanity and the working class, which is why i'm so passionate. i truly agree with you about people rising up and making change happen. it's just to me that's not reform.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:23 pm
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Wake Up Live - Rage Against The Machine
No Shelter - Rage Against The Machine
yes, i know... rage has sold out to capitalism. but hey, at least they rhyme about change.
people don't stand up and enact change because they're complacent. consumerism is one of the things that has people blinded.
"Cinema, simulated life, ill drama.
Fourth reich culture, Americana.
Chained to the dream they got ya searchin for.
The thin line between entertainment and war."
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:32 pm
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and I do acknowledge the working class. I grew up working class. I am totally on the side of the working class. The communist mother fucking manifesto sits next to me on my desk right now as I type.
But the reality is that working/middle class has disappeared. Its the economy, it is being divided into rich and poor just like it was before the great depression. And if you don't see that, well I don't know what to say.
Don't misread what I say just because we define words differently. We are saying the exact same thing, but you are reading what I say the wrong way. I'm well versed in politics, too, you aren't the only one.
la duderina12.17.08 - 11:34 pm
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coldcut - you sound oddly like this dude named Mark.
la duderina12.17.08 - 11:38 pm
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No one holds a cigarette like that unless your a tough guy chain smoker dude
Eddie GOpez12.17.08 - 11:39 pm
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well to me, the definition of working class is struggling just to get by and being exploited at work. for your wages. doesn't it suck when when you're making so much money for your employer, yet they don't pay it forward. that's exploitation. sadly, nowadays even people in the middle class are working class. but i have my views on the class system in general. it was installed to exploit people and not feel bad. "they're poor, so they need the work." even though they're being raped figuratively. that's fucked up. everyone is equal! it's also there (class system) to make one feel like they can escape poverty. cos once you're set, who gives a fuck about everyone else, right? that's the mentality of most people. i, on the other hand, try to love everyone and i view them equally. even if they hate me and see me as an enemy.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:42 pm
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*it was installed for people to expolt other people and not feel bad or any remorse.
i view it as legal slavery.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:44 pm
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There's plenty of work for the working class in L.A. if you're willing to seek it out.
There are all kinds of trade schools for welding/machining/plumbing/iron working/auto repair, etc., etc., etc. where you can learn a skilled trade in a couple of years and have a pretty solid income.
see e.g.
http://www.lattc.edu/
www.scroc.com
etc., etc.
Sure, lots of the unskilled labor is going elsewhere, but if you like working with your hands and are willing to take the time to learn a skill or a craft, you can have a solid salary without a 4 year degree or grad school.
JB12.17.08 - 11:46 pm
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working class should have been in quotes in that previous post, I'm not trying to patronize anyone unintentionally.
JB12.17.08 - 11:49 pm
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yeah but you're still being exploited.
This is where Labor Unions come in. Republicans have destroyed labor unions....which has destroyed the working class. It used to be that a working class citizen could support a whole family on one income and send kids through college all on one income AND have a good retirement. This is no no longer possible by any means. This is why I say that there is no working class anymore, that everyone is poor because you have to struggle to survive.
That and there are hardly any jobs anymore. Yeah those jobs JB posted, but how many are there versus how many people are unemployed out there?
la duderina12.17.08 - 11:50 pm
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what's sad about these machinists is they're getting screwed over. you actually you used to be able to afford a house doing machine work, but not any more. the free market is so cool, that employers are getting rid of benefits, slashing wages, and many times hiring sub-contracted employees so they can pay them meager wages. jubs that use to earn 30/hr are now 12-15/hr with no benefits or job security.
it's happening with the auto workers right now. they've already slashed wages by two thirds, yet the corporations are complaining that they pay their employees too much and it's contributing to their losses. talk about exploitation.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:52 pm
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but it still beats working for mcdonald's. imagine making $60-80 a day when you just rang up $1000 worth of toxic waste in that shift alone.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:55 pm
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everyone sales their labor. but when you're selling your labor to survive, you're working class. ragardless of where you live. you don't have to be "poor" to be working class. when you're poor you're working class, just below the poverty line. you literally can go days without eating. that's poor.
coldcut12.17.08 - 11:57 pm
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you see coldcut? we are saying the exact same thing. So dont fucking tell me I'm a conservative.
and don't say I don't care about the working class when I see my 50 year old dad get up at 5 every morning to go drive a truck for a business he started working for when the business itself started, when the business owner actually drove a truck, too. and now that business owner, same age as my dad, is a fucking millionaire with private helicopters and 7 houses, and my dad is still there driving a truck to make ends meet and has no chance at a good retirement with that bullshit 401k bullshit. Thank god my mom brings home the bacon.
assume = makes an ass out of you and only you.
I'm sorry but I took a lot of offense to your assumptions and comments you made based on them. I got love for you still though.
Workers of the world unite!
la duderina12.18.08 - 12:02 am
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assume = makes an ass out of you and only you.
definitely. i am truly sorry for being an asshole.
hell yeah! workers of the world unite!
coldcut12.18.08 - 12:08 am
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hahaa..and you are definitely not my friend Mark. He doesn't smoke. But he's another godless commie like us ;)
la duderina12.18.08 - 12:14 am
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and I almost punched him out one day for calling me conservative. haha
la duderina12.18.08 - 12:15 am
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small world possibly?
one of these days i'm sure i'll meet you. i haven't been out to many rides but i love to ride, and now when i finally can truly maintain my bike on my own, i snapped my rear derailleur. because of that i donated my chain to a friend for a bike project. i gotta pull a chain and a derailleur off a friend's bike this weekend to get riding again. i feel like i'm going through withdrawals. it pains me not to ride. i did wolfpack once and got dropped before the first meet point. i had technical issues that day, but i'm still afraid to try again, hahaha.
coldcut12.18.08 - 12:28 am
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i've bicykilled though! if work wasn't so unreliable with my schedule, i'd do bicykillers more often. i've always avoided the huge party rides. i like to feel pain and sweat.
coldcut12.18.08 - 12:30 am
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Yeah I know the feeling. My first wolfpack was fraught with mechanical problems!! You could even say I started off with a "bang".
You should definitely come back to WP. I get "dropped" every time but you only really get dropped if you quit. I've learned its not about keeping up with the fast guys. Its about making it as fast as YOU can. As long as you reach the stop before they leave, you're golden.
So see you Monday?
la duderina12.18.08 - 12:37 am
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yeah I bicykilled before trying wolfpack. I like bicykillers. But WP is closer to home and fits in my schedule better
la duderina12.18.08 - 12:38 am
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see you monday?
haha, i went out with a bang! i remember someone telling me "not the best bike to bring to the hustle. no offense." as they rode off and i had to dismount. i tried to fix the issue and continued riding to catch up to the meet point, but i just kept having problems so i threw in the towel and walked my bike home. shitty.
if my friend doesn't flake and brings me the bike i gave him (so i can part it out). than i'll try it this monday. my average speed is 15 mph. not sure if i'm fast enough, but fuck it. what you said about catching the pack before they leave, i totally get that now! it is a challenge for yourself. awesome!
coldcut12.18.08 - 12:58 am
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I get "dropped" every time but you only really get dropped if you quit. I've learned its not about keeping up with the fast guys. Its about making it as fast as YOU can. As long as you reach the stop before they leave, you're golden.
that is SO motivational! if not this monday, next monday.
coldcut12.18.08 - 1:01 am
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ha ha yeah, you DEFINITELY gotta be sure to have a GOOD bike with GOOD TIRES!! (<------and I can't stress the good tires part enough)
and bring your snot rag.
I don't have a computer but I would say I end up riding about 15 mph or slower once I run out of steam. I think the lead group averages about 100 mph so I got work to do. lol I can keep up with them until they shift up. Then I'm in the dust (I run single speed...working on getting gears ASAP)
and tools, man. gotta have everything you need to fix anything that could break. or at least your cell phone to call someone to pick you up.
la duderina12.18.08 - 1:31 am
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lol...that does sound pretty good when its there in italics like that. haha
just my interpretation of the words "this is not a race. this is a hustle."
la duderina12.18.08 - 1:34 am
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i definitely got the tools! they haven't failed me since i learned how to use them. the tires on the other hand definitely aren't thorn resistant, haha. i have tubes and patches though.
coldcut12.18.08 - 2:24 am
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la duderina wrote:
Second, it goes like this:
Upper class
Middle Class (WORKING CLASS)
Poor
No. It doesn't go like that.
PC12.18.08 - 3:52 am
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The prosecution rests.
PC12.18.08 - 5:03 pm
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I'm the biggest, Conservative blip on this radar map of leftist views.
It's a dirty job, but someones got to do it.
Maybe after I decide to get some ArNG experience and earn a BS of some sort, perhaps we'll be running against each other when we're old and gray!!
Duderina/PC vs. Bentstrider/< insert other, moderately con-poster here > '30!!!!
bentstrider12.19.08 - 5:19 am
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