-->





Ridazz Roulette!




Recent gallery...

Something Else The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time #84 - All City Toy Ride V Fry-Day NIGHT #33 - Swarm the Pier Hot Box Parties Bela Speed Star Bela Speed Star Bela Speed Star Taco Tuesdays data center Handicapped Canines #27 - Safety Ride The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time The Passage of a Few People Through a Rather Brief Moment in Time Fixie Goons Fixie Goons Fixie Goons Fixie Goons CRANK MOB . X . The Memorial CRANK MOB . X . The Memorial CRANK MOB . X . The Memorial CRANK MOB . X . The Memorial


The Days of Our Ridazz.


NOTE: All timestamps are in the future because WE are in the future. The care takers of Midnight Ridazz.com reserves the right to remove, edit, move or delete anything for any reason. None of the opinions expressed on these boards represent the Midnight Ridazz nor can anyone purport to speak on behalf of Midnight Ridazz.



Topic Box:
 
   1501 - 1750 of 19045 Topics

MOM RIDERS 4yr Anive...   4
BURNING BRO 2012   10
Yes Rainbow Unisex R...   10
Mosey wrecked my bik...   61
DRAMA RIDE   52
Bikes N' Bacon!!!   16
thanks MIDNIGHT RIDA...   7
EAT SHIT   6
ATTN: TROLLS   91
SE LAGER FIXED/singl...   0
Shypeople Ride?   0
Burbank Bike Kitchen...   2
MR 101 5/11   22
DUDE....   8
LATFH #2   15
Happy Birthday Joker...   14
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FUZZB...   13
Choppercabras 11th A...   52
The Game Show Ride   5
Main Page Picture   12
what ride should i g...   5
Friday Aug. 11, 2006...   11
Bike Night   2
BLAZE CREW   162
OG WTF!   26
Bag Left at Monday N...   1
Bull horn Vs.riser b...   14
Best route WhittierD...   4
ATTN: TIM WHEELER   32
Your dream job await...   7
Rollin Wit Da Homies   0
Midnight Ridazz #102...   93
Happy Birthday E-ROC...   4
Happy Birthday M-ROC...   3
My SONNY   9
Angelopes Choppercob...   151
NEW YORK RIDAZZ 2012   52
Happy Birthday HANDB...   17
happy birthday what ...   7
RIDA OF THE CENTURY:...   29
A nice little piece ...   0
DUMB Thread   40
Car Graveyard   10
Important Question   14
Bicycle Swapmeet   4
Quick Release or Bol...   18
New thread!   4
OLD THREAD   2
Hey FUNarchist   9
You never know who y...   17
WHERE THE HELL IS WA...   2
new ride   9
Bump!   278
Vintage Mountain Bik...   16
Sgt. Krumer - Update...   6
Missed Connections   4
Los Angeles News Bic...   3
BORING   33
Check This Out LACM   3
THE BIG ASS RIDE!!!   202
New Postage Stamps   8
HAPPY BIRTHDAY RICHT...   3
HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLDC...   2
+THE RIDE WITH NO NA...   3
FUNarchist Bicycle M...   22
Midwestern Values   5
That's What I Like ...   49
What I like about ri...   43
If There Be A God In...   11
WORDS ON RIMS   9
C.R.A.N.K. MOB   171
Tour of California   6
:::Silverlake/Northe...   455
LACMA film noir toni...   0
Beast Side Mosey: Wh...   3
Rialto   2
...And I'm a Midnigh...   3
I agree...   94
Which TROLL do YOU m...   51
share your dog photo...   68
WAIT, I have just on...   12
MIXTE - Women's (44 ...   10
FREE Cycling Skills ...   3
BIKE WEEK 2012   1
Generation XC – Fu...   3
Happy Mother's Day   5
Attn: Rayrayray   17
Otis to Midnight Rid...   0
Pro-Lite Disc Wheel   0
what are you listeni...   215
ATT EDDIEBOY   18
Refresh Junkies   69
ROTW: BARLEYE   166
HAPPY BIRTHDAY REV M...   20
Midnight Ridazz #100   59
WHITE PLAINS POLICE ...   0
CHRONE BAG   7
Vid: Hit & run caugh...   3
Tour de Cure Ship to...   3
To FUNarchist   104
Looking for Bike Fra...   1
HIT N RUN! LOOK OUT!   65
2012 MR HIPSTER OF T...   35
Burbike Youth Worksp...   6
LA Bike Delivery Net...   7
Bump.com   1
bikewise bump   3
Attn: Gizzard   2
Cyclists of the 1890...   5
MATT MACEDA + EDDY M...   6
Bicycle Kitchen need...   2
Bike Talk w/ Ovarian...   1
SF This Weekend   16
Congrats LA Bike Pol...   11
Rosarito to Ensenata...   8
KUSHTOWN SOCIETY   7
626 Rides   1
attn: eric hair   17
LATFH   7
VEGAN BANANA PENIS 2   17
Anyone selling any b...   32
NICHIKI FRAME FOR SA...   0
SCHWINN VINTAGE BIKE...   0
Highland Park   7
Where's all the tall...   3
Big FAT Tired 26er!   2
My Wish   4
I got my L.E.D. Ferr...   4
I need a bike for Ci...   3
one love   4
Ridazz Across Americ...   26
Cyclones   174
ridazz in short film   2
Skolly   2
PINK/BLACK Single-Sp...   5
Word on the street.....   5
2005 Look kg 281 56c...   11
chub hub   9
Schwinn Road bike 59...   4
Fixed Gear/ Fixie 56...   4
vuelta wheels fixed   1
Midnight Ridazz Ride...   2
Stay hungry. Stay fo...   1
:knock knock knock:   10
MoM WeeK GET READY   3
ATTN: JONNYBOY   17
Los Angeles to Palmd...   18
Bike Oven Movie Nigh...   0
The MR forums are ba...   8
Aspiring Rider   23
Rain Sunday   0
MISFIXED   2
$$4sale$$   0
ATTN: SnapperS   1
ATTN ANDRES   9
Anti-Roadrage Slips   8
FUNNY: Bike Lane   13
Crash Race Time   6
LA Marathon Crash Ph...   7
Reseda Sharrows Traf...   15
ATTN: SEXY   31
ATTN JONNYBOY   0
West Side to Crash R...   0
Yum Yum   8
MIXTE - Women's (44 ...   0
WHITTIER riders???   1
Arcadia : No spend z...   4
Lightning in a Bottl...   0
Burbank Ridazz?   5
Driver who hit cycli...   5
Sunday Night Weekly ...   0
Cyclist road rage.   13
Bike Thief   0
Brilliant and horrib...   3
NIKE RIDE??   159
Whats the best crank...   11
Midnight Ridazz # 99...   56
Reseda to the Sea Ch...   111
3/8 ride Nocturnal P...   0
ATTN: Rayrayray   23
ATTN: theroyalacadem...   40
Levitated Mass Ride   21
MR99 on KPFK   3
P U N   8
Alex Romero's Killer...   11
IntellogiX Gaming Ne...   2
Track & Field   2
FAIL: bringing the b...   0
Ridazz address the L...   7
Uncle Nicky RIP   5
Redline Ride Needs S...   0
Wolfpack Hustle The ...   4
Woman with no pants ...   5
STOLEN BIKE THREAD   3
NK short film   3
WNBR 2012?   0
Justice?   1
Synchronized Bicycle...   2
Passed on the Right ...   9
Bikes, Ballads, Beer...   0
bike in movie They L...   8
M.R. Trading Cards   20
MINI BIKE WINTER 201...   88
Cyclists wanted Sat ...   0
The Passage of a Few...   433
Watts Happening Ride   13
Bus Driver Road Rage...   2
PD KILLAZZ   69
Who has done this?   4
SF Bike Rentals?   3
missing items from M...   0
BYE TIM/RIMBOD/DYLAN   19
ROTW: 420LaHaRR   64
santa clarita rides?   4
Online Poker Softwar...   0
City of Glendale   4
Stolen Bike   0
ROTW Larsen   15
Bike Move   5
Bike Angeles LOGO is...   2
Best Ride of your Li...   85
Midnight Ridazz #102   5
someone PLEASE   2
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONNY...   6
ACTION ALERT March 6...   1
driver turns himself...   1
GREEN LANES ARE A JO...   26
Carts of Darkness   0
Action Alert SIGN TH...   1
Midnight Ridazz #98 ...   32
Spoke(n) Art Ride Fe...   0
HANNEL IT   14
MARC CAVENDISH   58
XRAY'S STOLEN BIKE.....   6
BATMAN'S BIRTHDAY! A...   2
CONTRA SEA- CARPOOL   3
Bike shop in Inglewo...   1
BRANDT-SORENSON THRE...   19
Cycling Enthusiasts ...   0
Bike Angeles   5
LOOKING FOR PENNY FA...   3
Why is CRANK MOB ove...   24
Photo Gallery nostal...   5
Favorite Streets in ...   42
bike hanger   9
crank mob   15
bike in movie short ...   16
FuckFace   59
Hit and Run Alert   5
OCCUPY LA   49



Thread Box:
LA TIMES - "Seeking a Road to Peace" - Cyclist vs. Motorist Rage
Thread started by ingipet at 07.21.08 - 10:06 am

July 21st, 2008 - California Section (front page)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bikes21-2008jul21,0,172344.story

LINK TO STORY

Seeking a road to peace
Cyclist-vs.-motorist rage seems to be increasing, but some are trying to devise ways to defuse conflicts.

By Martha Groves
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

(another one from Martha, my dear)

July 21, 2008

It was big news when prosecutors filed criminal charges against a motorist who allegedly slammed on his brakes in front of two experienced cyclists July 4 on Mandeville Canyon Road, sending both to the hospital with serious injuries.

What didn't make headlines was another Mandeville Canyon incident that day. Resident Lisa Block was finishing a morning walk on the narrow, winding road when she realized a clump of cyclists were coming up the hill straight at her.

"A guy heading right for me couldn't move over because there were at least two other bikers to his left," Block said. "I had to dive off the street and jump into the bushes."

Though the cyclists were not acting maliciously, she said, the experience rattled her.

These days, many Angelenos are rattled as more cyclists hit the streets to combat high fuel prices, stay fit or help the environment. Riders on two wheels say drivers run them off the road, threaten bodily harm and unleash expletives, if not fists. Motorists counter that cyclists rip off car mirrors, zoom through stop signs and hurl expletives of their own -- often drenched in spit.

With the city of Los Angeles in the early stages of formulating a bike plan, and with motorist-vs.-cyclist road rage on the rise, politicians, engineers, residents and cycling enthusiasts have begun what all agree is a long-overdue conversation about how best to coexist on the city's highways and byways.

"It's a citywide issue of people sharing the road, whether on foot, a bicycle, a Vespa or in our cars," said Jeanne Field, a Mandeville Canyon resident. "Manners have just gone out the window."

Sprawling, smoggy and gridlocked, car-centric Los Angeles hardly pops to mind as a locale where cycling would thrive. But Bicycling magazine recently lauded the nation's second-largest city as "a future best city" for biking.

The city has hired Alta Planning and Design, a transportation planning consultant based in San Rafael, Calif., to update its outmoded bicycle plan and attempt to create a safe, cohesive network from its more than 350 miles of bike routes, lanes and paths. Another goal is to identify a list of on-street bikeways, bike parking facilities and education programs that the city could develop over the next two decades.

"Los Angeles is a very challenging environment to ride in, given the condition of roadways, the storm grates that will eat your wheels, the lack of formal bike lanes or bike paths, and just a lack of respect and a lack of awareness from motorists about the rights of bicyclists," said Matt Benjamin, an Alta transportation planner who says he bicycles "everywhere."

More bicyclists

Reliable data on bicycle ridership in Los Angeles don't exist, but signs of an uptick abound. Bicycle manufacturers and shops say they have seen spikes in business in recent months, and cycling advocacy groups say more riders have taken to the road. Demand has soared for the Los Angeles County Bicycle Coalition's Metro bike lockers, which rent for $25 a year at many Metro Rail and Metro Orange Line stations, said Jennifer Klausner, the coalition's executive director.

Spurred on by riders outraged by the Mandeville Canyon incident, Councilman Bill Rosendahl on July 11 introduced a Cyclists' Bill of Rights to the City Council. The council unanimously supported the motion, which now heads to the transportation committee. Prepared by the Bike Writers Collective, an amalgam of enthusiasts and cycling bloggers, the bill of rights asserts that cyclists are the "indicator species" of a healthy community, represent solutions for environmental woes and traffic congestion, and have the right "to travel safely and free of fear" on public streets.

Separately, the bicycle coalition has proposed a pilot "share the road" program for Councilman Eric Garcetti's district, which includes Hollywood, East Hollywood, Los Feliz, Silver Lake, Echo Park and Glassell Park. A key element would be "sharrows," pavement markings that look like two chevrons with a bicycle. They would alert drivers that bicycles might be sharing the lane and show cyclists where they should place themselves -- toward the center of the lane -- to avoid being "doored" by an oblivious driver in a parked car. Garcetti's office said Vermont and Fountain avenues are likely locations.

It might surprise some stressed-out, multitasking drivers to learn that the California Vehicle Code gives bicyclists more or less the same rights and rules as drivers of vehicles. Among other provisions, the code states that cyclists moving slower than the normal speed of traffic should ride as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of a roadway, but there are exceptions: When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle heading in the same direction, when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or when necessary to avoid hazards, objects, vehicles or pedestrians.

After the uproar over the July 4 incident, Rosendahl first planned a town hall meeting to discuss the matter. With tensions escalating, he instead assembled, last Monday evening, an invitation-only task force of cyclists, residents and transportation officials to explore how best to ease the conflicts.

Although much of the discussion centered on Mandeville Canyon, "I do think the aggression that motorists are showing toward cyclists is common all over town," said Klausner of the county bicycle coalition.

"We are the illegitimate bastard child of the transportation industry," said Brad House, a member of the Los Angeles Bicycle Advisory Committee, who said he spoke only for himself. "Nobody wants us. In Europe, motorists are very respectful of cyclists. In this country, they want us off the road."

He said he learned that firsthand when a driver pulled up behind him one day. House was in the center of a lane, intending to go straight.

"He yelled, 'Get off the road or I'm going to hit you!' " House said. When the light turned green, House said, he pedaled forward and the driver "full-throttled his car into my bike," totaling it. House said a highway patrolman wrote up the incident as an accident.

Sense of vulnerability

One longtime Mandeville resident said motorists' hostility grows out of "the rudeness of the extreme faction" of cyclists. "The extreme ones have a very entitled-seeming way they carry themselves on the bike," said Desmond McDonald, a mountain biker whose wife's car mirror was recently broken off by an angry road cyclist. "This is arrogance coupled with . . . some sort of assault, whether hitting of the car physically, spitting on a woman's car or calling her [a name]."

Many veteran riders acknowledge that cyclists occasionally break traffic rules or engage in name-calling when drivers yell, honk impatiently or come close to sideswiping them, but they contend that they react out of a sense of vulnerability.

Bruce J. Steele, an attorney who lives in Redondo Beach, confessed to having occasionally sworn at impatient or careless drivers, but added that "I try not to because we're not going to win against a car." Earlier this year, one of Steele's friends was riding down an access road from the top of Palos Verdes Drive into a park. The 63-year-old man slammed head-on into an approaching maintenance truck that was obscured by heavy foliage. The resulting spinal cord injury paralyzed him from the waist down. He later suffered a stroke and died.

Easing the tension will require a number of steps.

"One certainly is education," Steele said. "We need to understand we have to use public streets responsibly, but together."

martha.groves@latimes.com



reply


(it's a bit better eh? perhaps she was responding to the pressure to actually read the CVC 21202....)



ingipet
07.21.08 - 10:16 am

reply


perhaps Martha needs to ride a bike???



dannyzuko
07.21.08 - 10:20 am

reply


i propose an L.A. Times ride....where we invite all the writers who have recently written about bike stuff in L.A. onto a ride just for them...

definitely play this song --->

"Martha My Dear" by the Beatles.

Martha my dear though I spend my days in conversation
Please
Remember me Martha my love
Don't forget me Martha my dear

Hold your head up you silly girl look what you've done
When you find yourself in the thick of it
Help yourself to a bit of what is all around you
Silly Girl.

Take a good look around you
Take a good look you're bound to see
That you and me were meant to be for each other
Silly girl.

Hold your hand out you silly girl see what you've done
When you find yourself in the thick of it
Help yourself to a bit of what is all around you
Silly girl.

Martha my dear you have always been my inspiration
Please
Be good to me Martha my love
Don't forget me Martha my dear.



ingipet
07.21.08 - 10:26 am

reply


"The extreme ones have a very entitled-seeming way they carry themselves on the bike,"

oh, i know the perfect youtube video to accompany this. but, i don't know how to post videos on MR. somebody, anybody, please! the cyclists!!



kurtz
07.21.08 - 10:46 am

reply


OLD MEME = CLASSIC.






ingipet
07.21.08 - 10:56 am

reply


^^^^^^^







got to balance that with something fresh ---

really great POST over at LA STREETSBLOG

Tom Vanderbilt, author of the forthcoming book,

Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do and What It Says About Us.



ingipet
07.21.08 - 11:51 am

reply


****--->>>>

"There's all sorts of other things underlying bad road behavior. Anonymity is a huge issue -- I compare traffic to being online. You can act nastily, veiled behind a pseudonym, then leave in a hurry, with no consequences; you'll do things you'd never do in a normal social setting."

****----<<<<



ingipet
07.21.08 - 11:53 am

reply


Required READING.

Tom Vanderbilt ponders motorist sociopathy



ingipet
07.21.08 - 11:58 am

reply


thank you ingipet. is there any issue 'the cyclists' can not solve? i think not.



kurtz
07.21.08 - 12:33 pm

reply


i just love that Streetsblog!

if L.A. Times writers would read LA Streetsblog more often... :)

maybe they are now!!!



ingipet
07.21.08 - 1:11 pm

reply


the one thin we have on car drivers is:


" we riders are united therefore we will never be divided. "



lets keep it this way.... we only grow in numbers..... you can't break us.....



thefrenchconn
07.21.08 - 3:27 pm

reply


less stealing.

more READING.

:)



ingipet
07.22.08 - 2:51 am

reply

Reply


Who's been here recently...




Upcoming Ridezz...

[ View all Rides ]