Stoner Skate Park Group
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bikearch at 07.14.10 - 6:11 am
Just to inform everyone I am in charge of Skate Plaza/Park/Spot Development for the city of los angeles department of recreation and parks. I am also going to be incharge of getting our bike spot program going and would like to enlict your help.
In regards to stoner skate we are in the throws of getting the plaza open and would appreciate your help by not riding the park after hours and during the hours that it is to be open: sunrise to sunset. The park was not design for bikes and unfortunately our muncipal code does allow us to mix the two (biking and skating).
With that said I also apologize for not having developed space for you guys but I am seeking this opportunity to rectify my neglecty of your passion and would like to set something up to get the process rolling for developing a space strictly for you and your passion.
Please feel free to contact me at:
Craig A Raines
Landscape Architect Assoc III
Advance Planning/Planning and Construction
Department of Recreation and Parks
City of Los Angeles
221 N Figueroa ste 100
Los Angeles, Ca 90012
213-202-2652
craig.raines@lacity.org
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Yeah we really do not as the space wasn't design for it. It was design for skaters by skaters. Though with that said we want to bikers there space, a space designed by them and specifically for them ie, no skaters or bocceball.
I am wanting to set up a charette to where we can begin to put todgether a development strategy for bike plazas/spots in our park system.
Our current muncipal codes do not allow us for to have bikers and skaters to co-use a space.
Like I said I am open for discussion and am available per contact info given on the first post.
Craig Rains
bikearch07.14.10 - 9:16 am
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Craig - thank you very much for posting here! I am very excited to hear about this and for your outreach, and have sent you an email. I look forward to meeting you.
kryxtanicole responding to a
comment by bikearch
07.14.10 - 1:37 pm
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bmxers and skaters coexist at the lafayette skate park, even though its skate oriented.
mikeywally07.14.10 - 1:50 pm
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Can you copy and paste that municipal code that says bikers aren't allowed in your skate park?
RickDarge responding to a
comment by bikearch
07.14.10 - 2:08 pm
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The posts by Craig Raines make me want to go out, buy a bmx bike, and learn how to do tricks in Stoner Park.
gregb07.14.10 - 2:19 pm
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I think it's really unfortunate that bicycles weren't considered when this park was designed. From skateboarding though I know that bikes can be really hard on a skatepark. How about a Stoner Velodrome? I see that there's one for sale right now.
Velocipede07.14.10 - 2:33 pm
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i heard some crazy shit happened there last night though :
godmode responding to a
comment by gregb
07.14.10 - 2:34 pm
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I had to look it up:
4. The Board shall cause signs to be posted at all skateboard facilities providing reasonable notice that any person riding a skateboard at the facility must wear a helmet, elbow pads and knee pads while skateboarding; that no bicycles or scooters are allowed in the skating area; that the park hours are 12:00 noon to sunset Monday through Friday and 9:00 a.m. to sunset on Saturday, Sunday and holidays; that the park will be closed during periods of wet weather or when conditions make it unsafe to skate; and, that any person in violation of this ordinance will be subject to citation for violation thereof.
Foldie responding to a
comment by RickDarge
07.14.10 - 2:35 pm
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Municipal code fail.
The good news is that Craig is sincere about reaching out and developing bike-specific areas. As a polo player, this is very exciting.
kryxtanicole responding to a
comment by Foldie
07.14.10 - 3:40 pm
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so we just have to remove the signs next time we go to that park! who among us doesnt carry a wrench?
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by Foldie
07.14.10 - 5:29 pm
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as an avid cyclist and skateboarder I'll speak up for skateboarders. Fuck bikes in the skate parks! get your own damn parks!
flame on! hahah
Roadblock07.14.10 - 7:10 pm
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It's cool RB, dedicated bike space in L.A. parks is a real possibility. : )
kryxtanicole responding to a
comment by Roadblock
07.14.10 - 7:43 pm
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"I am wanting to set up a charette to where we can begin to put todgether a development strategy for bike plazas/spots in our park system."
What exactly is a bike plaza or bike spot? Would this just be for BMXers and the such?
Hallucin807.14.10 - 10:02 pm
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The rink where we currently play polo is shared by Roller Hocky Players, Bike Polo Playeres, skaters, basketball Players and small children who just like to run around. We all share the park equally and confrontations over its use are very rare.
Why does the city have to create arbitrary rules for the use of its parks?
What damage can rubber tires do to a skatepark?
P.S.
I'm the guy you told to go fuck himself last night. Way to go Mr. ArchiDOUCHE
stillline07.14.10 - 10:50 pm
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Bikearch,
Many will perceive bias and selective enforcement of the rules on your part. There were skaters using the park after-hours (against the rules) and without a helmet or safety gear on (also against the rules) but, to my knowledge, they were not targeted for police action like the cyclists were. What is your response?
Hallucin807.15.10 - 12:06 am
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The amount of typos and grammatical errors in Craig's posts don't inspire a lot of confidence that he will get anything done for our community.
Pariah07.15.10 - 11:22 am
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i agree, no bikes in skate parks.
BMX bikes wreak havoc on boxes and rails. theyre just too rough. pegs slamming into concrete, taking out huge chunks. its ruining it for everyone.
and trying to skate with some kid on a fixed gear zooming around not being able to stop if something were to happen.
fuuuuuuuck that.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by Roadblock
07.15.10 - 11:28 am
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It's the the BMX people grinding with metal pegs that the skaters don't like. It really messes up the concrete.
buckchin responding to a
comment by stillline
07.15.10 - 11:29 am
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"What damage can rubber tires do to a skatepark? "
rubber tires are not the problem,
kids slamming on the fun boxes and rails with pegs, pedals, and cranks chip and dent everything.
skateparks are designed for SKATEBOARDS. theyre not built to withstand teh abuse bikes put out.
also, you ever try skating a park with kids on trials bikes zooming around. its fucking way dangerous. now switch that with some kinda on a fixed gear bike without brakes trying to huck himself over something.
it just doesnt work.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by stillline
07.15.10 - 11:32 am
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Imagine if we could have the city build some sort of bike lane on the beach and have only bicycles on it. Just imagine that.
X-Large responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.15.10 - 11:44 am
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you got me thinking about the beach bike lane its always too packed with pedestrians ,Rollerbladers,skaters grandmas granpas and it clearly has signs and pictures of bikes and people taking sand on the lanes imagine going 40mph and turning on that sharp turn f&%$ that
jesse1626 responding to a
comment by X-Large
07.15.10 - 11:51 am
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yeah so what?
i don't skate on those bike lanes. i actually don't even ride my bike on those lanes bc theres too much sand and people going too slow on their cruisers.
whats ur point?
are skateboarders taking chunks of concrete out of the bike path? are they damaging it? are they ruining the path for everyone else?
are we in your way? are you really trying to go 24 mph on ur fixed gear bike on a sandy bike path?
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by X-Large
07.15.10 - 12:00 pm
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I think he meant that that bike lane says only bikes but will never happen and.that skate park should b just skateboarding but people never listen and take bikes rollerskates etc
jesse162607.15.10 - 12:09 pm
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i think a bike lane is bit different than a skatepark.
skateparks are centralized locations, like a gathering spot. a bike path, is well, a path.
and cops are not easy on the fines with public skateparks.
a few of my buddies ride bmx and they got fined HARD for being at the huntington beach skatepark.
i think it was close to like 400 or something. its a bit excessive but hey, it works.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by jesse1626
07.15.10 - 12:17 pm
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why would a fixed gear wanna do riding in a skatepark tho? ?? the city should just fix the pot holes for us and that's it. that skatepark sounds cool tho just skaters they fall don't get run over with a chain u know what I mean so it should b just skateboarding. they should make that bike lane at Santa monica just for bikes tho people walk on it and they look at us funny like don't ride here
jesse1626 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.15.10 - 12:24 pm
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yeah idk.
i'm sure you've seen those kids riding track bikes in a skatepark, trying to air out of hips and shit. it's like watching a dude on a unicycle trying to get extreme or something. i dont understand it either.
i think this whole thing though is to keep bike out of skateparks. as far as upkeep on bikelanes and what not, thats a whole new different fight.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by jesse1626
07.15.10 - 12:28 pm
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all they do Is bent those espensive rims. you'll have to see how it is once it opens tho its going to get trashed quick with graffiti
jesse1626 responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.15.10 - 12:42 pm
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First, you have to see or goto the new skatepark at Stoner Park, it's kinda more like a bicycle park than a traditional skatepark, long open spaces, gap jumps, and a few geometric shaped banks and turns.
As for taking the damage caused by riding a bicycle in this park, I really think it would be minimal (the same wear and tear that skaters grinding trucks would cause) and the spots that are vulnerable should be re-enforced with steel coping so that the park could be open to wider variety of sports.
I think "ONLY" is not the greatest word to use when applying to city funded anything.
X-Large responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.15.10 - 2:10 pm
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if its a flowy park with not a lot of blocks and rails, then fine.
those kinda parks that are bike friendly usually have a bike only night.
pedlow park used to have a bikes only night on tuesdays and thursdays but they stopped it bc the bikes were destroying the blocks and ledges.
and trust me, bmx bikes with steel pegs slamming into coping and concrete, it just doesnt last. skate trucks are made of aluminum. it's too soft and weak to damage anything.
ask any skateboarder. we've all had our spots ruined by bmx bikes.
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by X-Large
07.15.10 - 3:39 pm
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ask any skateboarder. we've all had our spots ruined by bmx bikes.
it's so ironic, office building owners used to say that same thing about skateboarders.
that said, i don't skate or ride bmx.
tortuga_veloce responding to a
comment by KiMS1
07.15.10 - 3:59 pm
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yeah well................ somethine something.....
KiMS1 responding to a
comment by tortuga_veloce
07.15.10 - 4:01 pm
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This thread is proof that there is nothing--literally nothing--that some cyclists won't snivel about.
PC07.15.10 - 5:22 pm
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lol the whole comparison between skateparks and bike lanes is ....weak analogy
godmode responding to a
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07.15.10 - 5:26 pm
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I think some of you are just missing the point.
--> Apparently there is a (stupid) code on the books that prohibits bikes. It's not a personal thing, and bikes can do some level of damage.
-->Oh, and then there's this: "I also apologize for not having developed space for you guys but I am seeking this opportunity to rectify my neglecty of your passion and would like to set something up to get the process rolling for developing a space strictly for you and your passion."
I will be meeting with Craig next week to discuss this possibility. He has been very receptive thus far. I'm stoked; you guys can keep whining if you want. If you would like me to communicate anything about desired bike space to him, please post it here. Retarded and hostile comments will be fully ignored.
kryxtanicole07.16.10 - 12:27 pm
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HAHAHAHA
PC you are like the Warren Buffet of the forum... your stock keeps increasing in value and you refuse to split.
Roadblock responding to a
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07.16.10 - 3:12 pm
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Sorry about the grammatical errors and typos.....how you connect those elements with my ability to get things done is a interesting stretch.............!!!
I went out and watch the bike polo group at north hollywood park (roller hockey rink) and I am in the middle of setting up a Meeting, for them, with the PAB to hopefully work on getting them a space.
bikearch10.21.10 - 7:51 am
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Good to see you're doing stuff for the bike polo kids. Kudos for krista for being proactive. Now lets see more skateparks in the city! they are natural meeting points for both party rides like crankmob and smaller rides like the dirty30. Cheers. C.a.raines!
el sabroso10.21.10 - 10:32 am
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It totally sucks, seeing as this park is practically in my front yard and we can't use it for shit. Meh, they follow the code and wear helmets and pads and I'll think of not using it when I feel like it =P (PS. my road bike doesn't care about your park and for all I care, level it and make more soccer fields! =)
clearskittles10.21.10 - 1:56 pm
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Yo Craig! Thanx fer reaching out to the LA Polo Club. We enjoyed yer visit the other nite, and we look forward to meeting and working with the city to get courts built for us, it has long been a dream of ours. Thank You!
JOKER10.21.10 - 2:21 pm
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It totally sucks, seeing as this park is practically in my front yard and we can't use it for shit
wait, so you live in the park, and you want the city to allow you to take a dump in it?
I'll think of not using it when I feel like it =P
Ok, i guess.... but do you really have moments where you feel like thinking about NOT using the park?
"Yo, hey, I'll meet you all soon, I just need some time cause I feel like I need to think about not using some stuff first."
md2 responding to a
comment by clearskittles
10.21.10 - 2:31 pm
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What about rollerbladers? I luv to rollerblade the skate park ! Yay !!
shotgun_mike10.21.10 - 2:37 pm
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el sabroso12.13.10 - 3:23 pm
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