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fxe vs 1spd
Thread started by aksendz at 11.11.08 - 6:51 pm

thinkign about my next bike.
I know I want it to be a roadie. but what is the difference between fixies and single speed. Just want to hear your take.

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one has a freewheel, the other doesnt?

also, different muscles.



tinycities
11.11.08 - 6:52 pm

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o rly? which muscles.
though it was just legs and tas it.



aksendz
11.11.08 - 6:55 pm

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singlespeed bikes have dead spots in the chain, whereas fixed gears do not.



ruinedbyidiots
11.11.08 - 6:57 pm

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dont you have centrifugal force with it fixed as well? make a bit more easier on hills if you haul ass towards it.



KiMS1
11.11.08 - 7:00 pm

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what are dead spots?




aksendz
11.11.08 - 7:02 pm

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theyre the spots where the chain doesnt engage the chainring.

like when ur going hella fast and ur pedaling you might here a clicking. thats when the chain re-engages the ring.



KiMS1
11.11.08 - 7:04 pm

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Because your feet are directly connected to the rear wheel, which drives the pedals around, your pedal stroke becomes nearly perfect and with no dead spot in the stroke, you are more efficient. Also, you learn to spin more efficiently because you have to pedal constantly and you must pedal faster on every downhill.



ruinedbyidiots
11.11.08 - 7:08 pm

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aaand you can do cool skids on fixies!!



javi
11.11.08 - 7:12 pm

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No-gear, show-offs!!!!

Go back to impressing the Latte Drinking crowd!!!!



bentstrider
11.11.08 - 7:29 pm

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u mad?



ruinedbyidiots
11.11.08 - 7:46 pm

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can I still be normal if I have a fixie?



aksendz
11.11.08 - 7:47 pm

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Only if it's a beach cruiser fixie.
Ha.



imachynna
11.11.08 - 7:54 pm

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The dip I foresaw in the price of mtb parts never materialized.



bentstrider
11.11.08 - 8:01 pm

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with mtb tires :]



aksendz
11.11.08 - 8:04 pm

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Fixed gears are nice if you want to learn how to go fast on a roadie. I know since I've started to ride fixed i have a much better stroke and can pedal much faster. I also have kept my gearing at 75 gear inches and refuse to go higher for now. If I want to go fast I force myself to learn how to pedal faster. I just can't wait until i pick up a nice road bike and then i can really fly. Single speeds are pretty much pointless, GET SOME GEARS.



larsenf
11.11.08 - 8:11 pm

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^^^

this is very true.



Jazzy Phat Nastee
11.11.08 - 9:32 pm

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i love my SS. it reminds me of being a child on my first schwinn. i love gears, but only on my MTB.



Adrian_The_BEAST
11.11.08 - 10:04 pm

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Single speeds are pretty much pointless, GET SOME GEARS.


I'll have to disagree with this statement. Yes gears are better, but I run a single speed and find it really fun to get around on and the only time I wish I have gears are on long hills and downhills, but isnt that the same with a fixed gear? Plus, throw on some clipless pedals and you can give your legs a pretty good work out.


As for the fixed gear thing. Unless you are an experienced rider, these are not a great idea. If you're going to go for it, make sure you have brakes.


But, IMHO, you should get a road bike with gears. Get some good experience under your belt, then go for a fixed if that is your intention. Or be cool and stick with the gears. You can go faster anyways.




la duderina
11.11.08 - 10:10 pm

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I guess there's one advantage a road-bike, or fixed-gear can have over an MTB.

The narrow bars tend to be more effective at squeezing through traffic than the Devils Horns on my bike.

This as quite evident when we were squeezing through the snarls in Hollywood during Halloween night.
Everyone else was shooting through, I was taking out taillights of stopped cars!!!



bentstrider
11.11.08 - 10:12 pm

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Train your road awareness and stamina on a geared or single speed bike, then go fixed with a break. When you don't need the break get rid of it. Baby steps. You can die on a fixed bike real easily!

Learn how to handle hills and high speeds and turns with a bike that has breaks and gears, then make the leap to single speed (aka fixed with a freewheel) then to totally fixed (no freewheel).



Mohicano
11.11.08 - 11:26 pm

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one good thing about fixed is that you find your legs don't cramp from all the coasting you do on a freewheel. my legs used to cramp alot before i converted my bike. i prefer a brake because i don't want to die.



sciencefriction
11.11.08 - 11:39 pm

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You know, it is just as easy to get hurt on a freewheel or a road bike or your grandma's beach cruiser. Riding fixed doesn't make a bike any more inherently dangerous to ride. Most of the truly bad accidents I have seen on bicycles (and I've seen a few) have actually involved freewheels, most on account of a brake.
The biggest thing is to know how to ride the specific type of bike you're riding. If it's fixed, then know how to ride that with or without a brake, if it's a mountain bike, know that, bmx learn what you have to to ride it, road bike, same, gentleman's cruiser, ditto... penny farthing now that one has some inherent safety flaws (fixed front wheel and only front break... yeah there's the origin of the word header right there).
If you know your ride it's not a problem. If you don't know your ride, you should know how to fall (yes there is a technique to this), and be prepared to learn to ride said bicycle as quickly as possible.
I never rode a a brake on my fixed, but then again I never rode with training wheels as a little kid, I learn bike stuff pretty fast, you have to know your limits and know when to take the aid of mechanical assistance.




FuzzBeast
11.11.08 - 11:52 pm

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seriously gaise, serious?

Track Bikes don't turn right, stay away at all costs. Otherwise you may find yourself spattered across Venice Blvd.

Wild idea here if you're legs are cramping up from coasting STOP IT.

Also dead spot? Don't you think getting used to your cog carrying you through it will make you a weaker rider when you get back on a freewheeled bike? Learn to spin correctly, lazy fixiegears.



franz
11.11.08 - 11:54 pm

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excuse my ignorance
but i though fixie=track bike
so fixies don't turn right 0,o!!!!



aksendz
11.12.08 - 12:01 am

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All track bikes are fixed, however not all fixies are track bikes. Easy as pie, different geometry. However they're also some pretty different geometry's in track frames depending on the event.

Rear Dropouts
Modern bikes ( vertical drops shaped ||) = bad idea for conversion
Conversion (horizontal drops shaped thusly \) = Fixie
Track Ends (shaped =) = Fixie or Track depending on geometry

This would be easier if you talked to someone in person, and if I were sober.



franz
11.12.08 - 12:12 am

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A lot of companies are now starting to offer very streetable fixed gear bicyz. These types of frames have the horizontal dropouts of a track bike but geometry that is more friendly for roading around (not as aggressive / easier to turn)

I just saw a new MASI fixed gear (comes with a front brake) that has very road-ish geometry but a fairly classic track-bike shape / look. My current bike has slightly (and I mean slightly) less aggressive geometry, but I would still classify it as a track bike.

I tried the MASI out, and I am going to have to admit that I want a steel framed bike.



jonnyboy
11.12.08 - 12:22 am

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Get a foot powered scooter. No drive train = ZERO SPEED. Boom. You just saved yourself from throwing countless ounces onto your ride.



ubrayj02
11.12.08 - 12:34 am

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johnny it has track ends which as I said look like =
Horizontal drops look a little more extreme than \





franz
11.12.08 - 12:39 am

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Ah yeah my bad.

And when I said my bike is a little less aggro, I meant compared to a track bike, not the MASI



jonnyboy
11.12.08 - 12:41 am

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franz confused the shit out of me :]



aksendz
11.12.08 - 1:08 am

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that is a rear dropout.

slanted one, by the way. this is what you want in a road frame if you're gonna convert.



coldcut
11.12.08 - 1:13 am

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AN EASY COME UP = CABLE LOCK,

YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS.

QUIT CRYING.

WHAT THESE KIDS NEED IS TO SEE OR BE THE VICTIM OF SOME PHYSICAL BONE BREAKING. YOU LAME ASS MOTHER FUCKERS JUST DON'T GET IT, CATCH THE RING LEADERS, WITCH BY THE WAY ARE NOT 'KID'S' BUT FULL GROWN ADULTS.

BREAK A BONE, THEN CALL THE COPS, SAY THEY BECAME VIOLENT AFTER THEY HEARD YOU CALLING THE COPS, SO YOU HAD TO USE FORCE TO RESTRAIN THEM, AND IF A BONE GETS BROKEN, WHO'S GOING TO CRY, YOU? ME? NOW WAY JOSE, THEY GONNA BE CRYING, SITTING IN THE BACK OF A COP CAR.

AND FOR YOU GENIUSES OUT THERE THAT USE A CABLE TYPE LOCK, NO MATTER WHO THE MANUFACTURER IS, ARE STUPID FOR SUGGESTING AND ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO USE ONE.

HOW HARD COULD IT BE TO SET UP A STING, STRONG ARM THE BUILDING, THEN APPREHEND THE ADULTS?

ACT LIKE YOU HAVE A PAIR, THE COPS AINT GOING TO DO SHIT FOR YOU, AND WHEN THE COPS SHOW UP, WE ALL TELL THE SAME LIE, I'VE DONE IT, I KNOW.

SURLY THESE HIPSTER RIDING WHITE VICTEMS MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH. --THAT'S WHAT COPS ARE GOING TO THINK.

BECAUSE IF YOUR NOT WHITE, BUT YOU DRESS LIKE A HIPSTER, THAT'S GOTTA BE MORE LIKE THE TRUTH, EPICALLY IF YOU GOT PICS, SHOWING THE THIEVES IN ACTION,

COME ON YOU SORRY ASS PAPPARAZZI, PULL OUT THAT CAMERA, AND TAKE SOME REAL PICTURES, AND VIDEO.

WHO YOU THINK THE COPS GOING TO BELIEVE?




BY THE WAY, I'M DETOXIFYING FROM TOBACCO.

SO FUCK YOU.



eddieboyinla
11.12.08 - 1:23 am

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wrong thread eddie



aksendz
11.12.08 - 1:26 am

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if you get a single speed, your more likely to get made fun of and thus become depressed and commit suicide which equals death.

so it just depends on how you feel about your life.



shiznitologist
11.12.08 - 1:38 am

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HSB








imachynna
11.12.08 - 3:48 am

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a single speed is a road bike with just one gear choice. no (more difficult) track standing at stops so it means having to unclip. no speed control with the pedals so having to rely on the brakes only. upside is coasting. if its a bike with road bike geometry it is likely a bike of a softer ride than a fixed track geometry.

do a flip flop hub and get both... though you'll probably end up only using the one you like.



indigis
11.12.08 - 7:20 am

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Efficiency with a fixie my ass. Here's one way to be efficient, when you go down a big hill you can actually coast on a single speed or geared bike to catch a rest. I'd like to see the case for how it's in any way more efficient to pedal your ass off going downhill. And anyone who has ever been in a fast roadie group/peleton knows the only way to hang on to a fast ride is by coasting and catching a break in someone's draft, certainly not by overpedalling when you don't need to. I like fixies, OK, but don't sell em for what they're not.





0gravity
11.12.08 - 10:16 am

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no one will take you seriously if you call it a fixie.
0gravity, cadence is everything.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 10:18 am

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i dont get it whats wrong with the word fixie?



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 10:21 am

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thats like asking whats wrong with airline food.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 10:23 am

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ijunes
11.12.08 - 10:24 am

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RBI I'm ten times the rider you'll ever be. I been riding fixies for 4 years. And that's what we call them. Thank You.



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 10:26 am

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BTW +1 Ijunes!



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 10:26 am

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fixie is a hipster term. no one at the velodrome refers to them as such and thats where ive been spending my monday nights.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 10:28 am

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Too bad you keep getting smoked by fixies on Wednesdays haha



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 10:32 am

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a wheelie is not a bike throw.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 10:33 am

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just get a car.





onethirtynine
11.12.08 - 10:35 am

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+1 imachynna

askendz- that link should provide alot of information you want to know before making your decision. you'll ultimately want to decide what gear ratio you're going to want as that's what your're gonna be stuck with while on your bike.



sciencefriction
11.12.08 - 10:53 am

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being able to slow down your bike with your legs means you can shotgun tallcans and get fucked up twice as fast at crank mob. if you retards need any other convincing as to why one is better or worse than the other, i think thats it.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 10:54 am

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well shit from a new riders point of view...

I started off with a heavy ass centurion 15 speed. That was nice until someone introduced me to a track bike(fixed gear)...rode that shit for a month and it made my stamina, endurance, and efficiency go through the fucking roof!!!. Keep in mind i do not have a car so i pretty much bike and publc transport everywhere. When i had the funds i purchased a single speed which in my opinion is way more practical than a fixie. I will eat my words in about a week and buy a flip flop hub!




pretti*ugli
11.12.08 - 11:02 am

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I THINK WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ( OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS, SINGLE SPEED DOES SEEM FASTER...)IS THAT WHEN YOU NEED TO REALLY BAIL OFF YOUR BIKE (GHOSTRIDE ), IT IS EASIER WHEN UR RIDING A SINGLE SPEED BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED STRAP PEDALS OR CLIP ONS ,JUST REGUALR PEDALS WORK,AND WHEN UR ON A FIXED GEAR (BTW THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED B4 ALL THESE ''FIXIE PIXIES'' WERE AROUND!!!) IT'S MUCH HARDER BCUZ UR CRANKS DONT STOP AND U HAVE TO GET OUT OF UR PEDALS, AND EVEN SOMETIMES U CAN GET SNAGGED BY THEM. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT ,BUT IT'S EASIER ON A SINGLE.



.:FATE MSK:.
11.12.08 - 11:14 am

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yeah. whenever i drink at a ride, and get on a fixed gear, i forget that you cant coast, and almost smash out my ankles and knees.

so if you're starting out with a mountain bike, then go single/geared.



ijunes
11.12.08 - 12:00 pm

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You're killing me here.

That picture posted above is a vertical dropout which are used on geared bikes, they make terrible conversions. The only way they work is luck, compromised ratio, or a superfluous chain tensioner. What you need is Horizontal dropouts which used to be the standard for geared bikes. They have more space in them for chain adjustment.

RBI I'm sure you know from all the time you spend trolling at LA Fixed that most fixed gear bikes out on the streets these days are not Track Bikes. What's the problem with calling these hybrid road geometry fixed gear bikes fixies? I see your point if someones sitting at Encino talking about his sweet new TK1 fixie but otherwise what's the point in arguing.

Road fixed gear conversions = Fixie
Road Geometry fixed gear w/ track ends = Fixie
Track Geometry Fixed gear = Track bike



franz
11.12.08 - 12:00 pm

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it might have relaxed geo for the street, but if it has track ends and isnt a bmx bike, then its a track bike.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:01 pm

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the other day at Bikerowave there was a bunch of kids converting their road bikes to SS with no brakes. maybe that's the way to go.

what would you call that? shreddies?





onethirtynine
11.12.08 - 12:05 pm

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i'd call it a

FAIL

ie



ijunes
11.12.08 - 12:07 pm

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Yo Im buying a coaster brake 700c wheel this saturday to go on an old road bike whats that called? Kieron you wanna go with me?



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 12:07 pm

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weren't there bike mechanics at the bikerowave to ask them what the hell they were doing?





sciencefriction
11.12.08 - 12:09 pm

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Thats BS if it has track ends and isn't made to use on a track it's not a track bike. I'll be sure to tell everyone on their SS mtb's they are now officially riding track bikes.

A track bike is a bike made to be used on the TRACK. How can you call something that isn't even allowed on a track a track bike.



franz
11.12.08 - 12:09 pm

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ive only seen one ss mtb on the subway, and it didnt have track ends. then again, it could have been a conversion or something.
the only rules about bikes being on the track are

1 - fixed drive train
2 - drops or bullhorns (not mtb bullhorns)
3 - absolutely NO BRAKES

and you have to wear a helmet.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:13 pm

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All non-track geometry bikes have to be approved before heading onto a velodrome, the higher the banks the more likely pedal strike. Real Track frames have a higher bb and use shorter crank arms than are used on road bikes.

Why do you guys think you run 165mm cranks on your track bikes instead of the usual 170-175mm that is ridden on the road.



franz
11.12.08 - 12:18 pm

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i ride 170s and ive never struck a pedal.
the banks at encino are nowhere near as steep as adt.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:19 pm

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Pfft. You're all just posturing. Everyone knows that only full-time messengers have the proper authority to weigh in on petty matters of bike nomenclature. Wait for a messenger to show up, and then we can settle this once and for all.



nathansnider
11.12.08 - 12:20 pm

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Right, I think that was my point. You're also riding what is considered to be a relaxed track geometry, it's still got the higher bb of a track bike.



franz
11.12.08 - 12:24 pm

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when wolfpack broke into the velodrome in the winter of 2006, i did a few laps on my road bike with 175s and didnt strike either.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:27 pm

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But you just said it's not as steep as ADT.

Listen I understand that you may not pedal strike, I rode Kissena Velo on a 26" MTB, but that is a huge lightly banked track.

My point is if it's not made to be ridden on the track, why would you call it a track bike? It's a road fixed gear.





franz
11.12.08 - 12:33 pm

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track bike.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:35 pm

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Fixie, fixed-gear, after trying to ride one a couple of times,
I prefer, "Whistlin' Shit Can Of Death"!!!!!!

I'll stick to my gears and hauling the muzak!!!!



bentstrider
11.12.08 - 12:37 pm

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in great britian they are called fixed wheels.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 12:37 pm

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Wrong





franz
11.12.08 - 12:39 pm

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GET A FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE

GET A FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE

GET A FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE FIXIE



larsenf
11.12.08 - 1:08 pm

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@ ijunes
fuck that this, its all about this:





larsenf
11.12.08 - 1:12 pm

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oh noez.

there goes larsen

doing that thing again

what do you call it? oh yeah.

BAD





ijunes
11.12.08 - 1:15 pm

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if you want to appear to be a baller you get the campy delta brakes and then you crash into a parked car.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 1:15 pm

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@aksendz

forget what everyone says.

go test ride some bikes. go to a shop and ask to test ride a few of them and stick with what you like.

they all have advantages and disadvantages over one another.

don't jump on the fixed gear bandwagon unless you feel comfortable riding one.

if you feel cool on a single speed, then fuck it, stick with it.

do you really care if some shit kid on crankmob with his $1200 pusuit bike bought on his parent's dime scoffs at ur ride?

in the end, these are all just bikes. its a mode of transportation. its a vehicle. its a tool.

it's not a fashion accessory.

but then again, i keep seeing these westside kiddos posing with their new pista-shits and taking photos like its a new hat or something.

fucking clowns.





KiMS1
11.12.08 - 1:18 pm

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I agree, it doesn't matter what you ride. Hell the nicer your bike the more likely I am to make fun of it anyway, there will always be those people out there on both sides.

I'll give you a little real advice, If I were you I would go out and get a solid road bike with gears and use it as a bike with which to build your stable. With a roadbike you can generally go anywhere, over the Sepulveda Pass, Wolfpack, commuting, group rides. It doesn't have to be a boring piece of aluminum junk either. Check out ebay they have some pretty rad vintage 7 speeds with all Dura Ace for under 500 bucks, even the track bike kids won't be snobby to some of the stuff on there.

In the future I would move on to more specifically purposed bikes. SS, Fixed, MTB, Tall Bikes, Angelopes, Bigwheels etc.



franz
11.12.08 - 1:30 pm

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WHY SO CEREAL?



jonnyboy
11.12.08 - 1:31 pm

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franz + a fucking million.

listen to franz



KiMS1
11.12.08 - 1:32 pm

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calm down kim.
i aint looking to be 'kool'
i'm just trying to find out the diffenrece, and see what appeals to me.

franz, see thats the problem. i dontk now the first thing about a bike
i dont know nothing bout dropout, bout gemoety, or components.

bummer =/



aksendz
11.12.08 - 1:42 pm

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yes franz + gajillion.

You can even find nice vintage road bikes with shimano 600 for around 250$ all the time on CL that would be respectable.

I mean look at this sexy bike and oh so cheap!



larsenf
11.12.08 - 1:48 pm

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Well first thing you should do is determine what size frame you will need.

Second you should buy this =)

http://cgi.ebay.com/54cm-Eddy-Merckx-Molteni-Campagnolo-Road-Bike-NR-used_W0QQitemZ200273160487QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRoad_Bikes?hash=item200273160487&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318



franz
11.12.08 - 1:49 pm

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@ larsen

that bike is pretty clean for 250.



KiMS1
11.12.08 - 1:50 pm

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oh and KiMS1 what sort of beautfiul GEARED bike do you ride that allows you to be oh so judgmental. oh wait, did i see a fixed conversion on your facebook? STFU FGGT.



larsenf
11.12.08 - 1:52 pm

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if you buy that molteni merckx, please file off the cable braze ons and convert it to a fixed gear.



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 1:52 pm

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@ franz

beautiful, not practical. if you have 600$ to spend find a used aluminum bike of cl. Unless you're a bike-sexual.

@ RBI

you're sick.



larsenf
11.12.08 - 1:55 pm

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Such a fucking troll.



franz
11.12.08 - 1:58 pm

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CHOOSE TO BE ONE LESS



onelessfixie
11.12.08 - 2:00 pm

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that is a sweet looking bike for 250
i think i'm 56.



aksendz
11.12.08 - 2:01 pm

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Someone called track racing 'Rich Hipster NASCAR' on a bike Polo forum. I thought that was funny.



tallcans4tallbikes
11.12.08 - 2:03 pm

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hahaha thats pretty good.



KiMS1
11.12.08 - 2:16 pm

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Hehe, when Franz is the voice of reason you know you're in trouble!

I don't have a problem with the word "fixie" though I prefer to be more specific. If it's a real track bike call it that. Same with a fixed-gear mountain bike or a path racer. "Fixie" is usually reserved for conversions for me.

Some friends of mine have road bikes with track ends that are definitely not track bikes: relaxed geometry, overbuilt frames, provisions for brakes and fenders, etc.



cabhauler
11.12.08 - 2:57 pm

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ijunes
11.12.08 - 3:27 pm

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AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



KiMS1
11.12.08 - 3:28 pm

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AKSENDZ.


Listen to me. (Mainly because I'm the only one that actually knows you, and can make fun of you.)
Get a road bike with gears. You don't know the difference between a single speed and a fixed gear and you don't know what components are used on each.

Once you're good with a road bike, maybe you'd consider a single speed. Maybe not. Maybe if you go to a single speed you'd consider a fixed gear. Maybe not. Or vice versa. I don't know. Point is, go with a geared road bike.

Don't get a steel frame. They are heavy. Like mine.



Lastly. Get a bike when you decide to ACTUALLY RIDE.
;P



imachynna
11.12.08 - 5:49 pm

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whats wrong with steel? steel is real!



ruinedbyidiots
11.12.08 - 5:52 pm

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Nothing is wrong with steel. Actually, yeah, get a steel bike. You'll build arm muscles! I like to make myself believe that my arms have gotten stronger because of my bike. It's not that bad though. It's mainly when people tell me that it's so heavy that I start to believe it actually is.



imachynna
11.12.08 - 6:13 pm

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I have a fix and a single both with Velo frames, I use the fix for slower rides, I use the single for fast rides where there will be climbing. I don't own a geared bike because I enjoy the work out a simple bike gives me. It feels great when you finish climbing a nasty hill on a single or fix, especially when everyone around is click clacking into easier gears. I've always viewed bikes with gears as bikes for those who are hard core competitive cyclist or for people who enjoy riding but not sweating. I'm not knocking geared bike they're just not what I enjoy riding. BTW BMX's are great too!





Sandman
11.12.08 - 6:22 pm

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I'm wondering where the sentiment that fixies aren't as fast comes from, I've spotted it a few times in this thread. There are many people out there that are faster than just about anything with gears, barring say mountain climbs or pro racers or whatever, and they ride fixed, I've never seen a single speed freewheeler that, when it comes to a test of speed, can hold up, esp climbing, and there's a reason the fastest bike races in the world (various types of track racing, particularly Match sprints, Pursuit, and Motor Pace) are all fixed.
There's a reason the Tour De France was fixed only for a LONG time after quality deraileurs were invented.
Sure, running a heftier gear can become impractical (climbing on 56x12 for example) however, nothing can match the efficiency of a direct drive. Every tooth the chain runs around when it runs through a derailleur adds friction, which you have to push against with your legs. Stomp too hard sprinting on a derailleur and you can cause the spring tension to hop the chain. There are reasons for both kinds of drivetrains, however, the more efficient one will always be the direct driven wheel.




FuzzBeast
11.12.08 - 6:41 pm

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BAMBOO IS THE NEW FIXED



ephemerae
11.12.08 - 9:37 pm

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Hmm.. i don't know much about the different kind of bikes, but in my mind it seems pointless getting a single speed road bike if it isn't a fixed gear. Fixed gear is amazing, for me at least, everyone is different. I vote fixed... i don't know which side is winning... Larsen is pretty enthusiastic about the fixed- rightly so



meow
11.12.08 - 10:18 pm

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after all this is said and done



i bet you aksendz STILL can't make up his mind.




ijunes
11.12.08 - 10:29 pm

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I vote you do what I say because it seems like no one here has any idea what they are talking about. When in doubt listen to Franz, everyone knows that, there was a ride about it for god sakes.



franz
11.12.08 - 10:31 pm

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+1 for ijunes.




aksendz
11.12.08 - 10:56 pm

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Better not show your new bike to anyone!

Now whatever type you get, you are guaranteed to offend somebody

P.S.
Listen to Franz!




jonnyboy
11.12.08 - 11:20 pm

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This thread is ridiculous. Of course some things are better than others, for specific purposes.

Should I jack off with my hand, or use one of those latex pocket-pussies? What do you guys think? Spit or lube?

Really though, what someone said about legs cramping from coasting sounds silly. You should stretch more. I like being able to coast because I can stretch all my pedaling muscles while coasting along. Put your foot up by your ass onto the seat and stretch your quads. Hamstrings and calves easy. But whatever.
Get a fixed gear, or a more hip fixie, and ride til you cramp up, then you'll really kick ass.

Oh and brakes, for wussies. Use your shoes.



Ratpick
11.12.08 - 11:33 pm

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Meanwhile, all of us geared, 26'rs just sit on our high-horse and watch the battle from the Lil' Round Top!!!



bentstrider
11.12.08 - 11:59 pm

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It would seem that the most logical solution would be to get an entry level road bike / SS, get some cages on it (I don't know if you already spin with cages or not)- and move to fixed gear if you want to in the future.

Since you already ride, you could probably jump straight onto a fixed gear and have no problem physically, but PLEASE get a front brake at the very least if you do decide to go fixed.

I am just warning you that there is such a thing as getting the fixed gear "bug". After the initial period of learning how to ride it properly, it becomes a very rewarding experience for some reason... Hard to explain.

Then eventually you could go back to a road bike and stomp some serious mph, not that you couldn't get there without the fixed gear- it just seems like it forces you to get better at spinning faster. Knowing how to protect your knees and ride a fixed gear in a healthy manner are also both good things to ask ppl about if you go that direction.

Lotsa info, lots of opinions, lots of shit to think about. +1 to the person who said go into a shop and try some bikes out- sometimes the decision you make on a whim ends up being the best decision.



jonnyboy
11.13.08 - 12:16 am

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dude just fuck everybody and get a cruiser.

evan from metropolis has this cruiser with a front hub that has an electric motor. and it'll do 22 without any pedaling.

so you dont have to worry about hills.



ijunes
11.13.08 - 12:42 am

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of course, if you do what i say, you didn't fuck me which proves my point:

i am unfuck-with-able.





ijunes
11.13.08 - 12:43 am

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10 times, says nature!!!!



bentstrider
11.13.08 - 4:16 am

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Like a previous poster said, get a bike with a flip-flop hub, that way you don't have to choose. Just make sure you have brakes, as a singlespeed bike with no brakes is just stupid, despite the Ted Shred youtube videos.

But for most riding for most people, geared bikes are going to be faster and more comfortable. It's nice to coast on the downhills, and it's nice to have a faster ratio when you want to go fast, and lower gearing when you want to go uphill, rather than being stuck with the same 48x16 or whatever gearing all the time.

Don't get me wrong, fixed gear / single-speed bikes are beautiful, fun to ride, give you a better workout, require less maintenance, etc., etc., but geared bikes definitely give you more options.



JB
11.13.08 - 7:53 am

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more options, with a derailleur that can't decide between two of them because someone bumped into your bike and it fell over one time...


on a side note, after 15000 miles on the same rear cog, I think I might be in need of a new one soon, mine is getting a tad bit worn.



FuzzBeast
11.13.08 - 9:01 am

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- Suntour AR front and back derailler
- Sugino GT crankset
- Dia Compe Brake calipers
- Dia Compe Brake Levers
- Chrome Moly Frame made in Japan.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/916890507.html
its my size and the price looks reasonable
seller says its out of chrome Molybdenum

what you think. good deal or rip?




aksendz
11.13.08 - 11:19 pm

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There are better deals out there, like this miyata. All though it is a tad small for you it just shows you that you can score a nicer frame with nicer components (triple butted cromo and shimano sis).



larsenf
11.14.08 - 4:16 am

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Oh wait, that is a 56.5 cm, that is your size isn't it? Go check out that bike



larsenf
11.14.08 - 4:17 am

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thanx larnsef



aksendz
11.14.08 - 9:47 am

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