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Thread started by xXBlondieXx at 09.16.10 - 8:59 pm
After Taco Tuesday a few of my friends and I decided to got to In N Out on Washington Blvd in the Costco parking lot. As we were eating a small group of cyclists ran a red light on Lincoln and a Culver City police officer tried to stop them. The cops were only able to get the slowest cyclist.
He jumped off his bike because the cops were barreling towards him, and he ran about 12ft stopped and put his hands in the air. CCPD ran his bike over jumped out of the car, grabbed him, smashed his face into a brick wall and beat him with batons. He never resisted them once.
I tried to record it but my cell phone camera is shitty and the cops shined there bright cruiser lights on me to cause a glare. By that time about three other cop cars showed up and took him away. It was terrible the way they beat him. We don't know who the cyclist was but we are almost sure he was on Taco Tuesday. So if you see this I want to let you know you have about six witnesses that saw what happened and how you were brutally treated.
Piece of shit corrupt cops, If they weren't hiding behind that badge it would be whole different story, I would love to see them become cops in Juarez,Mexico. Now that would be true justice right there.
sucks for the kid really hope he's okay
but really if you see cops behind you
and they're telling you to stop and/or flashing lights at you
why not stop?
come on its nothing new to us
if we run a red light no matter if its a giant mass of cyclist being drunk and riding around, or friends riding to church
you run a red light be prepare to get pulled over if theirs a cop around
The police need to ease up on ticketing riders who cross on the red, especially if it's late and there are not cars around. They are discouraging people from riding bikes and that means more cars on the road, which means more fatalities and global warming.
They can simply tell them to wait for the green light next time and give a friendly wave. Cyclists are saving the planet, improving city living conditions and relieving late-night traffic by riding to bars instead of driving. The only ones we're putting as risk, if we are riding intoxicated, are ourselves. The police should appreciate that and show some respect.
if the basic story is accurate, it is not only very unfortunate for the person who was beat with batons (who needs that?), but also unfortunate that you did not get this on tape.
I would say, don't post anything more until you get a chance to find out if anyone needs a witness. Try calling the local stations and ask about someone being arrested, etc.
One thing that doesn't make sense is that they took him away for running a red light. There must be some missing pieces to the story, even considering this guys buddies ditched him (for running a red light). Some fucking friends, I might add. My gut tells me something more was going on, but, and let me clear:
IF YOU HAVE SURRENDERED TO THE POLICE, AND EVEN NOT RESISTING, THERE IS ESPECIALLY NO REASON FOR A BEATING. NOT MATTER WHAT THEY MAY HAVE DONE.
Maybe this is a thread Sgt. Krumer can add to instead of the other threads. Maybe he can help direct you to the appropriate case, so you can give your witness account.
I'd say try to find a local station that might have took in the rider, before you add more to the thread.
how would that discourage someone from riding a bicycle?
they'll just learn that next time either A. stop at the red light and wait less than a min or B. stop when the cops tell you to stop?
we want the same rights at a car to be on the road to follow all the rules when there is cars around with in distance of causing an accident
i do it all the time run or cross at night on red lights but there is 0 cars around or in bad neighborhoods
"The only ones we're putting as risk, if we are riding intoxicated, are ourselves."
-i know of someone who was killed in a accident because of a cyclist was riding drunk on the street acting dumb car tried to go around that cyclist and ended up getting T-boned by another car
if you drink and ride know your limit.
LouisAve responding to a comment by Girl Power
09.17.10 - 9:02 am
Yes sir what do you think the kid is going to prefer that the cop get suspended it usually takes a year or more to do that or some money 5,000 bucks for free doesn't hurt no one playboy or maybe more..
wtf? these cops were out of line by beating the guy but you're being just fucking ridiculous..... how can we expect respect from drivers and law enforcement if we think we're above the law that is created for all users of the roadway...... whether you're on a bike or in a car, a red light is a red light, and running it is a crime. that doesn't mean i wont do it if the intersection is totally clear, but i'm well aware i'm breaking the law and understand it is an officers duty to pull me over if i'm witnessed. to imply that an officer ticketing an individual for a clearly commited crime would mean more fatalities and global warming....... all i can say is WTF???!!! most likely it would mean the person wouldn't be running a red again....
do you really expect some sort of special royalty treatment for riding a bike and "ending global warming"? we're all legally required to follow the rules of the road
also, intoxicated riders can easily hit civilians, damage others' property via drunken collision (or reckless behavior) and directly cause accidents between other cars or the biker and the car itself, which would lead to lengthy legal procedures that the driver of said car should not have to waste their time being a part of (stopping their commute to get out and help the rider, call ambulance, file accident report, probably deal with insurance and have something to do with a BUI trial)
let's not get caught up discussing hypotheticals debating silly distractions.
at least in this thread.
Why not restrict our comments to those that may help locate the victim of this crime and give the witnesses ideas about the best way for them assist the victim in getting justice.
Call the watch commander. Report the beating that you saw.
Tell them that you want to make a formal complaint.
See if you can get any info from the victim. Tell them you want to talk to teh victim's lawer.
Contact Stephen Box, BikeSide, or another local advocate familiar police brutality issues. Tell them what you saw. It would be a fucking shame if this ended up being little more than a fucked up anecdote of city life in L.A.
Please keep pushing! find thee victim, and help them get some justice.
trickmilla responding to a comment by superblueman3
09.17.10 - 9:15 am
That should have read "see if you can get any info ON the victim".
Also don't be surprised if the cops try and create obstacles, perhaps citing "privacy".
The victim's lawyer has no right to privacy, find the lawyer and tell him what happened.
You're comments are really harsh. There is no need to bash me, okay? Most of the street lights where I live don't turn from red to green unless a car drives up over the sensor, and they don't have pedestrian buttons to push either.
Just ease up, I don't happen to think that a cyclist riding intoxicated poses the same threat as a drunk driver or that it's necessary to wait at a red light in the middle of the night when no other car are around and the lights are taking forever IF they even change at all.
Girl Power responding to a comment by superblueman3
09.17.10 - 9:34 am
do you have an email address? Or how should anyone contact you with information, or to get your account?
I contacted some resources I have to find out if they've heard anything or what next steps you can take. I'll let you know if I hear back with anything useful.
I don't know what you're getting so worked up about. She's only saying that police don't need to be so heavy handed about the enforcement,e specially when it comes to cyclist.
I share her view, but there are two issues involved:
1) Did the cyclist do something wrong?
2) Did the police do something wrong?
I think the thread is more interested in or focused on (2).
Again, even if the cyclist disobeyed a traffic law (and I leave it up to you Superman to explain how infractions are constitutional), does this warrant a beat down, given the person did not resist or do anything (whatever that may be) that would warrant the use of batons.
For all we know, none of this could be true. So just be cool for now
md2 responding to a comment by superblueman3
09.17.10 - 9:54 am
Yeah, I must say that I'm highly skeptical of this story so far. I just doesn't make sense and I have a feeling that a lot of details are unknown.
Was the guy armed?
Was he a perpetrator of a violent crime just prior?
Was he bleeding from having his face smashed against the wall or from being beaten with batons? Were the cops raising the batons above their heads before striking him with them or were the batons being used in a different manner?
I mean, we don't even know for sure that he was part of the ride or that running the red light was why they stopped him. It could be that he was running the red in an effort to evade the police because he was about to be charged with something more serious.
It just doesn't make sense that it would go down like that over a red light. You know?
I know it's not his jurisdiction and all... but I wonder why Sgt. Krumer hasn't come in here and at least given some advice on what he believes the victim should do. Or is it because it involves one of the "boys?"
While I will be happy to answer any question on use of force policies as they apply to LAPD and policing in general, I can not offer an opinion or intervene in this matter. Trickmilla actually provided some solid advise...make a report to the watch commander and contact advocates like Stephen Box and Alex Thompson. If their your concerns fall on deaf ears at CCPD than you may have to go to City Council.
What I can say generally is that regardless of what law is broken, the force use must be measured and justified based on the suspects actions.
can you help some readers understand what would justify the use of batons, so that when/if pulled over they do not feel the force of a baton on them?
Im not referring to the thread topic per se, but since you have a guideline in mind, maybe it would be good for cyclist to be aware of what they cannot / should not do, which might threaten an officer to the point that their batons are needed, where their hand to hand combat training is not sufficient, and sometimes combined with multiple officers on the scene added ability to lend a hand (no pun intended) is also not sufficient.
Thank you
md2 responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.17.10 - 1:40 pm
Generally, an officer is only allowed to use that force which is reasonably necessary to overcome resistance, effect an arrest, or protect himself/others. Each use of force is different but depends on the totality of the circumstances.
The use of a baton or impact weapon is generally reserved for suspects who are combative. This means that a suspect who communicates his intent to assault someone (or an officer). This communication can be verbal...i.e.saying "I am gonna kick your ass" while takling a step toward the officers. It can be non verbal i.e. raising your hands up,closing them into fists, and taking a fighting stance instead of complying with an officers directions. Basically if the suspect communicates that he will resist the officers by physically harming them a baton would be justified. The minute the suspect stops his aggressive behavior the officers must stop. This means that if he is on the ground and no longer a threat they can not continue striking them. Officers are not supposed to aim for the head but head strikes occur. Head strikes are taken very seriously by the LAPD and are considered serious uses of force which recieve additional scrutiny.
Hand to hand combat is highly discouraged and is a bad idea for multiple reasons.
#1 The person has not been searched and you can not rule out the possibility that a weapon will be produced.
#2 Officers are less agile than you think...they have 30 pounds of restrictive gear on them.
#3 You do not know the skill level of the suspect (what if they are black belts)
#4 If you end up wrestling with a suspect he can reach for one of your weapons or for your gun...now the partner officer would be justified in shooting the suspect as it has escalated into a deadly force sitution.
When there are many officers at the scene they may have the ability to take the guy down without using a baton...however you must remember that officers do not have pads on so when they take someone down they also go down. Many officers are hurt each year when they tackle a suspect down and when they hit the ground they sustain injuries themselves. An example...officer tackles a suspect and takes him into custody, an hour later when the adrenaline wears off he suffers horrible pain as a result of straining his back...he is out for 1 month and has pain daily during that time.
I hope this answers some of your questions and assists you in understanding what may go through an officers mind.
Angelenos are so conditioned that they would willingly stand passive on a curb when absolutely No traffic is coming,they simply stand there obediently and wait for an electric light to give them permission to proceed...
Ive lived by Culver city and I would not doubt this story for a second. Culver City Police are worst police I have ever come across in my life. They are angry Nazis known for youth profiling.
Read up
i seen it happen to.i remember he got on the curb and started running and the cop car pulled up in front of him and he put his hands on the wall and i clearly heard him say i surreneder and the cop ran up behind and grabbed him and through him on the floor and they had his hands on his back and they still beat him and they were calling him motherfucker
Cmon Sgt. Krumer, I know you got some juicy gossip on the Culver City Police department. Give us something? Its not your force so it couldnt hurt, right? Just sign up for a fake account and spill the beans. Ill tell you what MD2 does in his spare time.
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buckchin responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.17.10 - 2:46 pm
To become a police officer with the LAPD you must have a GED or a high school diploma. This is only the minimum requirement. Applicants with an education have a significant advantage. The reality is that many (if not most) officers who apply today have a degree. To promote to a higher rank a degree is required.
One of the core values taught in the academy is "Quality through continuous improvement." Many of my co-workers are actually going to school part time in pursuit of a 4 year or Master's degree.
I would encourage you to petition the City to raise minimum requirements if you feel doing so is necessary.
There seems to be a repeating trend here. Someone brings up their negative experiences and Krumer responds with going in to address your issues with whomever .
Take action! No one is going to magically know that you have an issue.
Don't be so hard on him. I think he just copied and pasted the reply from this post:
http://www.midnightridazz.com/forums.php?topicId=16008&pgnum=1#reply-356285
"but I really think he's out of touch,"
I conquer.
toweliesbong
responding to a comment by md2
09.17.10 - 4:36 pm
petr0lb0mb responding to a comment by bentstrider
09.17.10 - 6:00 pm
Still, the grammatical error was kind of ironic considering the mentioning of a bachelors degree in the post before his.
But with the college semesters being continually shortened and many being forced onto the "academic fast-track" almost at gun-point, then it's understandable.
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