LAPD noms Valley Ride
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Calvin at 09.7.08 - 1:57 am
36 of some 50 cyclists were detained because the manager of the CVS at 14735 Ventura Blvd called in asserting shoplifting without a description of the suspect. 11 squad cars arrived and searched everyone without probable cause including cyclists who had not entered the store. Three cyclists were put into squad cars - HANDBONE, Bernie, and u-lye (?), presumably to be arrested, before subsequently being released. The whole incident lasted about an hour.
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Stephen Box was instrumental in gaining the release of the three cyclists. He used the little known technique "yelling at the Watch Commander and arguing semantics with him". Only one other rider is known to have mastered this technique - PC. Reportedly though, Alex Thompson may be getting close. When a Santa Monica resident complained about AT's intent to urinate on his tree, and accused him of being a bad representative of "his group" (SMCM), AT berated him for "being to quick to draw stereotypes", "using rhetoric to keep his lawn dry", and "having a small sample size."
Have you seen Franz's sample size? Tiny!
Calvin09.7.08 - 2:03 am
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Shit, shit and more shit.
Are we all just getting nabbed, tit-for-tat now?
I get spanked by Long Beach PD with a CMV violation, then the Valley Ride get's it for supposed shop-lifting?
My citation's in a world of it's own, but perhaps the stops should be like some of the other rides and kept out of eye-line-of-sight of the stores.
bentstrider09.7.08 - 2:04 am
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Um when the hell did this happen? Not tonight because I was there until we hit the first stop, then I had to leave due to a call for a work thing.
skd09.7.08 - 4:37 am
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it happened at the second stop. and it was 14 squad cars, not 11. and are those my photos?
tinycities09.7.08 - 5:11 am
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It was 2 hours of bull shit. There were 18 cops their wasting both of our time.
Thank goodness Fuzz, Sheli and Yetiman did not get caught up in the mess. Thank you guys for calling the right people for help, as well as documenting it with photos and video.
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Those of you who were up against the wall because of the cops:
Make sure you write down what you recall of the night (as suggested by AT).
It is a good idea to write it while it's fresh in the mind so if needed, you can refer to it for evidence.
Also, after youve done that re-read it a few days later to make sure you included everything you remembered.
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PS.
Did anyone take Bernie's bike back????
Coe coe buttaa09.7.08 - 5:32 am
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Damn it, I missed it.
skd09.7.08 - 5:33 am
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*there
Also,
BOYCOTT CVS!!!!
We're are not aloud back to the one on Ventura Blvd by Cedros Ave. I found that quite funny.
Coe coe buttaa09.7.08 - 5:34 am
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shitty ride almost went to jail and I lost my bud.THANKS tallcan thats the last ride I will do with you.All my other friends have been turned off to your rides I mean bike polo hell
crossbones09.7.08 - 7:41 am
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It sucks to to hear what happened last night. Man... it's amazing to have Box/Enci there for us. Also, those on the Bike Writers Collective that get the word out.
Anyone else who took pics... try to get them up if you can.
digablesoul09.7.08 - 8:29 am
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Anyone else want to protest at the CVS? The parking lot can't be closed to us- it's also for Marie Calendar's and a couple other shops, not just CVS. I say we make fliers with last night's story and go hand them out to anyone walking into that CVS... let people know where they're shopping.
danya09.7.08 - 9:03 am
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was this the cvs we went to at play in the valley? i saw shoplifting going on that night, so id say theres some probable cause. h20 - guilty by association.
ruinedbyidiots09.7.08 - 9:33 am
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No it wasn't... Play in the Valley didn't go that far west. The manager just had a stick up his ass... I really think the cops were called before any of us left the store.
danya09.7.08 - 10:01 am
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I think when the manager called the cops he made it seem like it was a HUGE deal, you could tell the guy was freaking out (not to mention he was super weird), he probably told them we were trying to be violent in some way. but to get that many cops out you have to make it seem like there is an epic problem going on. I have no idea what he was thinking.
I still cant believe that fucking happened.
Graham09.7.08 - 10:06 am
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The downside of not self-policing is that actual police will come out and do policing for you, with sub-optimal results.
This isn't the first time shoplifting has been an issue, and it probably won't be the last, unless it's made explicitly clear that stealing is not ok and riders are to call out any incidents of theft.
14 cop cars is a bit excessive, but it sounds like they made their point.
Don't threaten a boycott of CVS, that's just laughable. Like CVS is going to be upset that a group of cyclists known for violating open container laws / upsetting motorists / having shoplifters in their midst is going to choose to take their business elsewhere. A boycott by us would probably be a dream come true for CVS.
JB09.7.08 - 10:06 am
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I've never seen anything close to this happen on a ride.
Graham09.7.08 - 10:06 am
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cvs shut down their whole store and started kicking costumers out, the manager was going wild.
I cant imagine why on earth he went to such great length's for probably 10 dollars of stolen booze, If he would have just made an announcement to the group I know everyone would have paid him for whatever was stolen.
Graham09.7.08 - 10:09 am
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12 cop cars for 10 dollars of stolen booze and more then an hour of wasted time, something is very wrong here.
Graham09.7.08 - 10:10 am
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I'm still amazed that we could be deemed such a potential threat as to warrant 12 cop cars and person by person searching. No one mentioned that. Detaining is one thing - stupid - but it's just freaking ridiculous that searching the 37 of us even took place. I kept thinking, "I know there's some real shit going down somehwere...and they're getting away with it because we're being fucked with."
But don't hate on tall cans guys, he didn't cause the nonsense. It's a shame anyone has to be dumb enough to put us all in that position, because of guilt by assocation. Don't be stupid when you're riding w/ a bunch of people. If you're gonna do dumb shit, do it own your own time.
Fortunately, the ridiculousity maintained some level of humor, like when the cops asked me if I was part of a gang I couldn't help but laugh. Or when they asked what we were doing...
um, bikes + riders = ??
kryxtanicole09.7.08 - 10:20 am
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Exactly. That's why I want to get out there... I live literally down the street from that CVS, it's the nearest 24 hour place to my house. That's why I want to get over there and get my neighbors informed about what a douchebag the manager of the store is. If we spin it as him being anti-cyclist, the "politically active" soccer moms can be convinced to shop elsewhere. That's much more effective than having Ridazz from over the hill boycotting the store.
danya09.7.08 - 10:24 am
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DFude, I heard at least 3 radio calls that were all ignored. They all went along the lines of, "There is a woman at [address], she is home alone and...". I'm thinking that women were murdered in their beds last night because the cops were too busy searching us.
*/melodrama*
danya09.7.08 - 10:26 am
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STOP FUCKING STEALING SHIT WHOEVER YOU ARE
For the love of god! You are ruining it for everyone!
jonnyboy09.7.08 - 10:53 am
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kryxtanicole, Graham, danya -
That was me on the phone with Fuzz last night. I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure that you can't search 37 people without serious probable cause. Hence, those were probably illegal searches. Filing numerous complaints, and a lawsuit are both possibilities.
Like Fuzz said -
write down what you remember. If you want to go an extra step and email me at
alexcthompson@gmail.com I'm going to use what I can to pitch this to the same ACLU attorney who is involved with the SMCM stuff. At the least I can get a referral to an attorney who specializes in this sort of thing.
Also, +600,999,111 to what kryxtanicole wrote about TallCans. As someone who has had a ride he is closely associated with absolutely shat on by police, it's hard not to feel a little responsible. But, you're not. Especially in this case, when the police overreact dramatically to a hysterical store owner. TallCans, from what I've seen, is a smart and careful organizer. He got struck by lightning here = nothing you can do about it. Fuzz, Coe Coe Butta, Coe Coe Butta's sister, TinyCities, and TallCans all did a good thing by keeping a level head, documenting things as best they could, and being as diplomatic as possible with LAPD.
Alex Thompson09.7.08 - 10:53 am
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(comment not directed at anyone in this thread)
jonnyboy09.7.08 - 10:54 am
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I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE PROBLEMS, THATS WHYI LEFT EARLY, BACK OVER TO HOLLYWOOD.
eddieboyinla09.7.08 - 11:52 am
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Is the ACLU also gonna try to justify cyclists have the right to ride drunk and with open containers?
come on man.....be real...
barleye09.7.08 - 12:32 pm
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Great picture I want one to enlarge and hang on my wall.
crossbones09.7.08 - 12:34 pm
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Brad, this was the second stop.. while there was drinking, i highly doubt anyone was drunk at that point. we had only been riding an hour.
tinycities09.7.08 - 12:36 pm
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our first stop was a park.
this was the first store stop.
Graham09.7.08 - 12:47 pm
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I don't ever recall that CVS from any past rides I've been down to.
Perhaps this is one we'll have to mark a red "X" over.
In fact, I'm going to do like Neville did in "I Am Legend" and slap together a Valley map with all locations "to go to", and "not to go to".
TC4TB, I'm going to need some pointers for this.
bentstrider09.7.08 - 12:56 pm
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whoever stole, if you really cant afford the booze, why dont you just ask someone to spot you? im sure lots of people would be down to lend you money. @crossbones, quit talking shit about tallcan's ride, you're just talking shit because your identity is safe in the forums
markcruzniggah09.7.08 - 2:24 pm
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Everyone on these rides are good people. As a community, everyone is willing to share their beer, cigarettes, pot, whatever. We all go through hard times, unemployment, etc. If you need a job, ask around...everyone is willing to help you. If you are broke and need a beer, just say something...you will never be turned away.
But please don't steal from the businesses on our rides. It makes us as a community all look like criminals. We ride on the streets because it is our legal right, but when someone steals it crosses the line and makes us all look bad.
Roadblock said something once to the effect that we need to show compassion rather than hate. Though it is difficult, I will try and follow this. Please don't steal, we want you to be a part of our community, so help please us and we will help you.
skd09.7.08 - 2:37 pm
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or should I say," please help us and we will help you."
skd09.7.08 - 2:38 pm
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I Think the cops were waiting and ready for a call from a store owner saying there are being over whelmed by bicyclist. Why I say this, is because I’ve been doing these rides for a few years now. At some of the ride stops there’s been some shoplifting and doors locked up. Other times when I’m inside, the cashier is calling the police and freaking out. It really hit home when I did the SFVCM and we stop bye Dales Jr. down the street from my apt. We just rolled up and the store owner would not let us in. I tried to talk to him but he wanted no part of us. I was mad and never want to go to his store again. Today after a mountain bike ride and after I rolled bye the store and saw the owner and wanted to talk to him about it. I been to his store many times and he’s always nice to me and asked me about my rides. But today he was not interested in talking. I’ve been upset and Thinking of what I’ve seen and heard of what has happen in the past with MR rides. Now seeing this post and how shoplifter has giving cyclist a bad reputation. Was he once a victim of a non responsible MR shoplifter, so should I really be upset with him or my fellow RIDAZZ ??? For all the guys who Host the rides, GOOD JOB and don’t let this discourage you. keep them partying on, ……LongLiveMidnightRidazz
Longlivelonghairs09.7.08 - 2:43 pm
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ok, This sounds crazy, but Being in the store when the "stealing" took place, there were maybe 5 ridazz in the store, most people were still arriving when the first cop showed up, The manager flipped out on one dude who had a jacket tied around his shoulders bandoleer style telling him he had to "leave his bag" he walked up to us all confused and was like wtf? he hadnt even gone in to the store proper just to the line to talk to us. at this point I paid and walked out as the first cop was arriving, having to pee, I slipped away as the first cop left (the first time) from across the parking lot, I saw him get into the street, make an illegal U turn and come back, from there it just got crazy what with the illegal searching of 37 people based on the fact that they were riding bicycles (the manager, or whoever called the cops had NO DESCRIPTION of said supposed thief, and couldn't even provide a GENDER).
As far as I can tell, from being in the store than luckily gaining a vantage point and not being part of the lineup, there was NOTHING stolen. We weren't even a rowdy crowd, the ride was pretty chill.
FuzzBeast09.7.08 - 2:44 pm
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I'm the guy riding the silver mongoose MTB with red bag on back of bike I be out on 13 and 14 this month please find and we talk about my satety.If my opinion bothers you bummer
crossbones09.7.08 - 2:50 pm
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That's it, I'm playing some old, CashMoney shit from '99 on the next Valley installment.
The tunes are guaranteed to hold the roll!!!
bentstrider09.7.08 - 3:09 pm
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I was so shocked they sent that many cops over some beer.
I also got a curfew ticket in front of my house on the way home.
RIDICULOUS
killercouchattack09.7.08 - 3:11 pm
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Like I said before, as far as I know, there wasnt even any beer stolen. I was in the first group of people to reach the beer, then was back at the front of the store before any ridazz even left. The cop had already showed up at this point. Most of the ridazz in line weren't even buying beer, most people were buying some water and snacks, we had just had a beer stop maybe 10 minutes before, at the park.
Besides the fact, everyone who was searched was searched illegally. Cops can't just search you because SOMEONE (who lacks a description on top of that) MIGHT have done something. They also cannot search you if you refuse the search (which people did, the cops then searched them anyway).
FuzzBeast09.7.08 - 3:24 pm
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On the illegal search thing, it's kind of a big deal, don't just let them get away with it, you have the law on YOUR side in that situation. Not just the law, but the CONSTITUTION... it's a little thing called the 4th amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
yup. learn your rights, make the cops flustered, confuse them when you assert the law they're supposed to be following.
I did this on friday night when a cop tried to tell me my freak bike was illegal, he totally deflated when I quoted the law and the exact section of the CVC back at him. Knowing your rights is tantamount to expressing them. Learning them doesn't take too long, the ones you usually need are the cvc and the constitution. srsly.
FuzzBeast09.7.08 - 3:32 pm
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"learn your rights, make the cops flustered, confuse them when you assert the law they're supposed to be following."
+1
Coe coe buttaa09.7.08 - 3:35 pm
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oh, and being a cyclist does not = probable cause
FuzzBeast09.7.08 - 3:41 pm
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Fuzz Beast is right. Im really dissapointed i didn't flex my rights as a citizen last night. Im just not used to dealing with cops because i dont usually have run ins with them. Last night was strange though I saw so many cops before, during, and after the ride. TO SERVE AND PROTECT, more like to fine and arrest
killercouchattack09.7.08 - 3:43 pm
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Sounds like we need to print out "bust cards" for future rides.
http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/dwb%20bust%20card7_04.pdf
Police can stop and search you if they have "probable cause".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Probable_cause_to_search
If stopped / detained on a ride you can always ask the officer:
Why am I being stopped?
(If the stop is legit, be polite and as forgettable as possible and handle things at the backend.)
If the stop is BS ask the office:
Am I free to leave?
If not, or if he/she tries to search you, ask if they have probable cause or if you can refuse and leave pursuant to your 4th amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure.
If they say they have probable cause, ask them what it is, and if they have probable cause to detain/search YOU individually.
Obviously, only do this if you can maintain your cool and stay very very calm, as getting arrested for interference with a police officer / disturbing the peace / any variety of other misdemeanors, is a total drag, even if you're in the right.
The best first step is to make sure you can maintain a basic level of "situational awareness" during rides. Know where you are, your bike is, your friends are, and where the cops are as much as possible, so that you can keep the first three away from the last.
JB09.7.08 - 4:00 pm
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fuzz....
I see what you mean, but with all that 9-11 bullshit blah blah crap
ANY THING is probable cause....If a call was made due to potential shoplifting...mobbing....blah blah, thay have "every right" due to "association" to search every 1......
very very bullshit...But thats what happens when they shove it in so deep and the numbness sets in...Semantics is the game it has always been...
NOISEPOCKET09.7.08 - 5:00 pm
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shoplifting AGAIN?!!
GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY.
Roadblock09.7.08 - 5:32 pm
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I was there and I am trying extremely hard not to post here.
imachynna09.7.08 - 6:01 pm
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WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I started going on the rides a few years ago and there was no BS it was fun cool and easy going the majority of riders are all in it for the same purpose fun and a cool way to view the city at night and with a new perspective and a fun thing to do together. This stuff happens and it puts a damper. I hope the folks involved (if there was theft ) realize they are the minority and belong somewhere else. Good luck Guys this is hwy I stopped going too childish for me too tainted. I hope the majority can take it back......
steponme09.7.08 - 6:02 pm
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Thanks to all the people that made this the " No Ride " ride
Yetiman09.7.08 - 6:24 pm
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Yetiman, your photoshop skills make me a sad panda. :( those hotdogs def arnt giving you any super powers
tinycities09.7.08 - 6:31 pm
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LOL the 4th 4th amendment. Read the Patriot Act!!!! Wake up America. Sad but true
libra77709.7.08 - 6:40 pm
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"it was fun cool and easy going the majority of riders are all in it for the same purpose fun and a cool way to view the city at night and with a new perspective and a fun thing to do together."
-steponme
this is what i thought these rides would be like when i went to my first one. instead, i found a drunken mob who's only goal was to commit some anarchy. ok. not everybody was drunk and i guess a little anarchy is fun sometimes. but still!!!!! we're making ourselves look bad. really bad. i constantly see the code of the ridazz broken and disregarded. why do we even have it if we won't respect it? i think our egos have become a little to big for our bicycles. let's remember why we're riding in the first place.
we are, in a big way, the new counter-culture of america. we choose to ride bikes in a society where people are addicted to cars and oil. and we love it. everyday more and more people are getting on a bike. clearly, what we've been doing has been working and has had a positive impact on people.... up until now.
because of the wrong choices of a few our entire culture of ridazz has been put in a very negative light. nobody really likes us very much anymore. we can't let this happen! we must show people that the actions of a few DO NOT represent the actions of the rest of us. we are NOT criminals and we need to show people this or else everything we stand for will go to shit!
i'm all for party rides but, maybe every once in a while we can do something a little more productive. let's show the community that we respect where we ride and want to be respected in return. how about a ride where every few miles, instead of stopping for beer, we stop and pick up trash out of the street and on sidewalks, around parks and other places. clean up the place. or some fundraising rides for non-profits around the area. let's help people and the community; that's how we'll gain the respect we deserve.
what we've created is an incredible thing. just the fact that we can come together and forget our differences for a kick ass bike ride is awesome! we need to keep that. what we stand for as a peaceful, unified group and as cyclists holds so much significance in the world today that we must stay strong. we have the power to open a lot of minds and to bring a lot of people together. we're not criminals and we need to show people that NOW! otherwise, nobody will give a shit about our fucking awesome spoke cards. the hippies fell; the ridazz will not!!!
that concludes my rant. sorry if that went way of topic....
animal09.7.08 - 8:01 pm
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Noisepocket:
Yeah agree with you. and guess what Obama was a full supporter of the Patriot Act and H.R. 1955 lol
libra77709.7.08 - 8:02 pm
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"i'm all for party rides but, maybe every once in a while we can do something a little more productive. let's show the community that we respect where we ride and want to be respected in return. how about a ride where every few miles, instead of stopping for beer, we stop and pick up trash out of the street and on sidewalks, around parks and other places. clean up the place. or some fundraising rides for non-profits around the area. let's help people and the community; that's how we'll gain the respect we deserve. "
Very well stated. (and for those of you who can't ride w/o a party....end the community service ride at a private residence where you can hang out and drink (legally))
LizardQueen09.7.08 - 8:08 pm
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QUOTING SCRIPTURE TO THE POLICE DOES NOT WORK.
QUIT STEALING.
QUIT SMOKING.
QUIT DRINKING.
QUIT RUNNING RED LIGHTS.
AND ABOVE ALL:
QUIT FIGHTING.
THAT WORKS.
eddieboyinla09.7.08 - 8:54 pm
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WHAT EDDIE SAID.
(did I just say that?)
Roadblock09.7.08 - 8:59 pm
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Libra:
so...what assumpion are you making towards the current incumbent?
NOISEPOCKET09.7.08 - 9:05 pm
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if its just an f.y.i. thing cool...im just blowing things out of proprotion
maybe.
NOISEPOCKET09.7.08 - 9:07 pm
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let's just ride bikes. it's that simple.
animal09.7.08 - 9:09 pm
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the cops are on to us. period. from the east side to the west side, the cops have been giving us more shit on a consistent basis. fuzzbeast pointed out that he was there and that it's highly likely that no one even stole anything at the cvs. but the increase of heat from the cops is a consequence of us growing bigger and more noticeable as a group, and a consequence of stupid actions from the past [i HAVE personally seen someone shop-lift at a 7-11]. so the bottom line is that riders need to stay informed of their rights, and be smart about their actions [which contribute to the whole group], because basically at this point we are being targeted whether we're acting out or not.
nesoxochi09.7.08 - 9:46 pm
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id have to say this was the craziest experience ive had on one of these rides.. i dont know if somebody stole something or not but i agree keep your sticky fingers off these rides!!
i definitely think that 14 cop cars for less than 40 cyclists is absurd.. im just happy they didnt take my weed!!
tallcans is not the one to blame.period
props on finishing the ride right..
QUE RICOS!!
SnapperS09.7.08 - 10:05 pm
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Alright, here it goes. Before I say anything, I just want to let people know what I think. You may think I'm right or wrong. If so, just know that I am not lashing out and if you think differently please don't say anything condescendingly. Instead, I'd prefer if we could CONVERSE and work off each other's ideas. :)
1.IF YOU WERE NOT THERE YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING VALID.
2. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE
ENTIRE STORY YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING VALID. (and by that I mean know EVERYTHING; who, what, where, when, why, how it started, where it ended, why humans exist)
As for quoting the police, there was an incident we had (a differen t night) where a cop threw a baton out of his car window and one of us decided to speak out and ask why it is okay for him to throw a baton out of a window at someone but for someone else to throw anything out of a car it is ILLEGAL. Guess what? He's a cop. We can't overthrow cops. He said he "dropped it" and to take him to court if (the guy that got cuffed) wanted to. Yeah, it's bullshit, but what are you going to do?
imachynna09.7.08 - 10:15 pm
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i agree with you. i mean, they're assholes, but what can we do?
cops will be cops....
one day we'll all live in harmony.
animal09.7.08 - 10:20 pm
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Fuzzbeast was talking to me last night, while we did our traditional ride into the underground Ralphs parking lot at Vineland and Ventura, that these rides are happening every night. It use to be that it only happened on the weekends, but now it's every night! Every night of the week, somewhere in this car-centric city, there is a group of bicyclists taking over the streets.
This higher profile is good, when you realize that the awareness level has reached epic proportions. But it is also bad, since every Dick and Harriette in a car is out there calling the cops on their cellphone when we block the intersections, run red lights and ride at 20-25 mph while a line of cars follow slowly behind us.
Are the cops on to us? Damn straight. What do we do about it?
Stop riding?
skd09.7.08 - 10:26 pm
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Of course cops don't like us, but they have more advantage while we're at stops vs. when we're riding.
Anyway, I wouldn't like to change subjects and go crazy on all sorts of matters, but I also think that the thread should let people know- the ones that think they were treated unfairly, ie: harassed, etc. that there are people researching the legalities. If not, then why get angry? Yeah the cops took an hour of our time, and yeah some of them can be assholes and try to belittle you, but two out of three of our riders who were cuffed and put in cars were released. Plus we were lucky the cops decided to be lazy and not try and give us tickets for not having lights (the ones that don't.) Yes, they're human, they're tired, why would they want to fuck with petty shit like cyclists? Oh well.
Alright, I'm pretty sure I'm done. Thanks again for listening (reading).
imachynna09.7.08 - 10:51 pm
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Sentinels, look-outs, Combat Air Patrols?
Keep an eye out for the cops, but keep an extra eye out for those that would attract the negative attention of cops?
bentstrider09.7.08 - 10:55 pm
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June '08 LACM's stop at the Ralphs (I believe) in the marina resulted in someone stealin some beer. The store owner came out and civilly talked to some riders at which time people spread teh word and searched for the stolen alcohol.
I don't know what happened in that situation, but I sure know that no cops came. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe one did.
Anyway, just saying this isn't teh first time.
TallPaul09.7.08 - 11:40 pm
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Part of the problem is the ride is starting to attract younger people. Use to be a time when most people were of drinking age. Now a big percentage are minors and it is no secret that MR will provide anything they need to drink or smoke; part of this 'community' thing. Troubles me to see that someone got a curfew violation ticket, how young do you have to be to get one of those?
I'm all for having everyone come out on the MR rides but be more responsible when offering someone a drink or smoke. Someday a minor or even a juvenile will get hurt and the closest adult might be blamed, main reason I stay sober on these rides.
Point is we are giving an an impression that MR is a drunken party on wheels, that everyone has to have something. I know that it might be a stretch but has anyone considered that some of the stealing might be because someone cannot legally buy alcohol? Not saying that minors and juveniles are thieves but in a setting where drinking is the norm, how are you going to get your beer?
sc_nomad09.8.08 - 12:39 am
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Nomad, these dudes are in their 20's. even late 20's if you can believe it. it has nothing to do with youth.... just selfishness.
Roadblock09.8.08 - 12:44 am
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The pictures of all those squad cars harkens back memories of the "Fetish Ride" from last September.
Half of that shit was hijacked all the way up to Universal City Walk, and then 30 minutes later, we were under the "BAD" police-escort.
bentstrider09.8.08 - 12:57 am
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The Point is:
If you want to steal and create a stealing KARMA, reputation, and the consequences that follow; 'go do it by YOURSELF.
Arm yourself with the self courageousness that you do when you are on a ride and stealing stuff and do it when you wont get 80 billion other people involved.
If stealing is your way of life, principles and morals do it by yourself, pay your own consequence. STOP, being selfish and getting innocent people blamed on, harassed, and targeted !
Every action has an even equal or opposite reaction.
KataCyklsLA2NY09.8.08 - 1:17 am
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barleye wrote:
Is the ACLU also gonna try to justify cyclists have the right to ride drunk and with open containers?
That has nothing to do with the allegation of illegal search and seizure based on a vague citizen complaint about shoplifting. Furthermore, the ACLU has represented in the past, and will represent again in the future, defendants accused of crimes where a preponderance of evidence seems to point to their guilt, either of that crime or of another. Civil liberties are enjoyed by all persons regardless of their guilt or innocence of a given offense. When the ACLU successfully defended Carlos Miranda (yes, the Miranda of "Miranda warning" fame) against the charge of rape in the Supreme Court, he had other charges against him which were not overturned because there was no coerced confession. In short, there's no reason whatsoever why the ACLU shouldn't want to involve itself in the case, if indeed they think there's good evidence of a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
NOISEPOCKET wrote:
but with all that 9-11 bullshit blah blah crap ANY THING is probable cause.
That's not even remotely true, 9/11 or no 9/11.
libra777 wrote:
LOL the 4th 4th amendment. Read the Patriot Act!!!!
Clearly you haven't. Nothing in the Patriot Act invalidates the Fourth Amendment as it applies to people accused of crimes not related to "terrorism." Even the broadest interpretation of that word doesn't include beer runs.
Now, then. To nip future nonsense like all of the above in the bud, can I suggest that people at least do five or ten minutes of Internet research before trying to be jailhouse lawyers in a thread where people are weighing legal options?
PC09.8.08 - 2:59 am
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"That has nothing to do with the allegation of illegal search and seizure based on a vague citizen complaint about shoplifting.
FROM PC:
Furthermore, the ACLU has represented in the past, and will represent again in the future, defendants accused of crimes where a preponderance of evidence seems to point to their guilt, either of that crime or of another. Civil liberties are enjoyed by all persons regardless of their guilt or innocence of a given offense. When the ACLU successfully defended Carlos Miranda (yes, the Miranda of "Miranda warning" fame) against the charge of rape in the Supreme Court, he had other charges against him which were not overturned because there was no coerced confession. In short, there's no reason whatsoever why the ACLU shouldn't want to involve itself in the case, if indeed they think there's good evidence of a violation of the Fourth Amendment."
My question was sarcasm (somewhat)....The party ride scene is quite hypocritical. It's been said 100 times here how we break some of the most serious driving/riding (same alcohol laws) laws with riding drunk and open container then we cry out for justice when something happens to someone on a ride.
The ACLU may get involved....but nobody will step up and be honest about the drinking that goes on. I'll have a drink sometimes on stops, but I don't get drunk nor impaired.
a drunk/stoned rida will kill a driver one of these days avoiding some asshole swerving or just being a jerkoff.
barleye09.8.08 - 9:49 am
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All I know is TC4TB's puts on the best MR shit.
I was on the wall a couple people down from the 19 year old d-bag who they singled out after the video.
They asked him if he had a reciept for his beer. NO.
They asked him why he was drinking being 19. D-BAG.
They asked him what he was doing in the store. TAKING A BREAK. WTF? Why go in the store for a break.
They asked him for ID. NONE
If I see him again on a ride. I will put a pump in his spokes and tell him to walk back to the SAN GABRIEL Valley where he said he was from.
Go FUCK UP THE SAN GABRIEL RIDES!!!
I hope you do TIME!!
If you don't have money for a beer, you should be working at a JOB instead of riding up here and messing up our RIDE!!!!
parlorbikes09.8.08 - 10:16 am
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Which guy?
Do you remember any details about him? What he was wearing etc?
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 10:24 am
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wawawawhat?
Hey lets not get the torches and the mob out now...
what? Are you guys gonna crucify the poor fucker?
BRUTAL!
mellow. mellow.
take the frustration out tonight at polo...
get some wins for the 818
NOISEPOCKET09.8.08 - 10:34 am
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No I saw some video footage and I was wondering if I knew the guy's name.
Crucify?? wtf? lol
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 10:38 am
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Not to crucify him, but everyone should know who this is. IDIOT
19 + cold beer + no ID + caught on tape + "taking a break in the store" + me and 35 other people in a line-up = DON'T LET THIS GUY RIDE.
If you see him on a ride tell him and tell everyone else to tell him, HE IS NOT WELCOME.
No need for punishment, but I think we should post a picture of the person who did the stealing of whatever.
parlorbikes09.8.08 - 10:43 am
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re: Animal's post about doing productive things. I had that thought yesterday, riding, looking at all the crap/trash lining the street. I thought it would be a great thing for us to clean up OUR streets, and that we could have fun doing it, especially if we all rode down the streets with butterfly-type nets catching all the muck in the road, AND if some1 was toting a ghettoblaster too.
Animal, you sound like an intelligent individual, indeed. U going to 818 polo tonight?
kryxtanicole09.8.08 - 10:47 am
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No ride should be held accountable for one persons actions. Its bullshit.
Graham09.8.08 - 10:47 am
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AND I also wanted to thank the peeps who put up resources for us to really know our rights. It's truly important. It's not ok for us to be searched some BS reason, but if we don't know our actual rights, we're sitting ducks. boo.
Thanks again. Let's get educated!
kryxtanicole09.8.08 - 10:50 am
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i dont agree with singling someone out.. but when its the same person over and over causing the problems, i really think something should be done about it.
sat was scary, even when i wasnt against the wall, it still shouldnt have to happen.
a point: i go on these rides and i NEVER drink, it can be done. you can still have a good time without the alcohol.
tinycities09.8.08 - 10:57 am
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jesus... AGAIN?! wow. I can't believe it's the SAME person. Is this guy like a karma black hole or something?
Undercover Bob09.8.08 - 11:14 am
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imachynna said:
1.IF YOU WERE NOT THERE YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING VALID.
2. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ENTIRE STORY YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING VALID. (and by that I mean know EVERYTHING; who, what, where, when, why, how it started, where it ended, why humans exist)
Unfortunately we all are affected by everyone's actions in a ride, to say that other opinions are not valid is BS. This community is built on the efforts of the people who have come before you. You will make your contribution to be built on by those who come after you. That is the cycle.
sc_nomad09.8.08 - 11:16 am
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I wish people would step outside themselves for a minute and see this from a store owner, cop, or member of the community point of view....
Can you imagine how irresponsible the cops would have been NOT to search a group of 30 people with thieves operating in its midst under cover of the group?
Gangs should be so lucky!
YES FOLKS. Maybe you grew up in a far off Utopia where cops have automatic petty theif detectors but HERE IN LA. Cops detain ENTIRE groups of which members commit crimes and search them ALL THE TIME.
Think about it for a minute....
CAN YOU Imagine a world for which groups of people were allowed to mob up to a store, then *a couple of people from the group* could go in and steal and then hide back in the group?? IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES! Do we want a world like this??
Roadblock09.8.08 - 11:22 am
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+1 ROADBLOCK
Tiny, please tell me why we should not single someone out?
The LAPD did.
I did not drink on the ride exept for 1 12 oz beer at the start and a Vitamin water which I have the receipt for.
I did not go into the store.
I did not want to get searched and info taken but I complied.
I did want the LAPD to find the person who stole the beer and cart them off in the squad car.
I did not want anyone else who got searched to be in trouble.
19, no id, no reciept for an ICE COLD BEER in his backpack.
The LAPD went into the store and came out with the manager, then pointed at the guy in the white shirt and jean shorts. They walked straight over to him and aggressively search and interviewed him.
parlorbikes09.8.08 - 11:34 am
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+1 The whole thread
MAC09.8.08 - 12:02 pm
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So it was the AOTW who get arrested?
Meh.
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 12:13 pm
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OK!
Lets get down to brass tax..
Does anyone know what happened to Bernie U-ly and Syoma?
Thats the task at hand.
These are decent people.
tnx.
I was called by Gabby at 1 in the morn only to hear that Bern might go to jail...I assume I was his only contact at thw time....Noho only has holding tanks and then transfer arestees to van nuys jail...
Luckily I live right across the street from the goddamned place so it was real easy to cross the street and ank the jailor...
Yet to to no avail I could not find out if Bern was held. I did read the first entry of this thread (including the rest) and it said eventually released. or sum-ting...
Giime new info not this copy paste shit.
peace.
NOISEPOCKET09.8.08 - 1:41 pm
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http://lasd.org/
If you know someone's first and last name or first initial and last name, you can search on "inmate information" on the left side of the page. it's very up to date and will show if someone was arrested and all the pertinent info.
barleye09.8.08 - 1:50 pm
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This kind of shit is why thieves need to be called out, ostracized from rides, etc; they're ruining it for everyone else.
Is that being a snitch? Nope, because "being a snitch" implies that the group as a whole approves of the perpetrators behavior, and you're going against that by ratting someone out to authorities. I'm not even really suggesting that - I'm saying that these people need to be told that this group isn't cool with their behavior.
Besides, ripping of some booze and then hiding in a large group? Lame. You wanna rip shit off, do it YOURSELF, on your own time, old school, and run down the street with two 12 packs.
What it really comes down to is, why protect jackasses that are ruining rides - and moreso, ruining the MR reputation in general?
turrican09.8.08 - 2:09 pm
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The video shows 3 people being taken into custody. The video shows Syooma (HANDBONE) being released, as well as someone I believe to be U-ly being released, by process of elimination. Bernie, who I know only by reputation and his profile photo, is not shown being released, unless I blinked. Stephen Box says that the Watch Commander he spoke to on Sunday said that two arrests were made. One was released and the other was taken to the station and "processed". He knew nothing further.
The focus here should be on the gross violation of the civil rights of 37 people. You cannot hysterically call the police and get a response of 14 cars for an alleged misdemeanor, or the illegal search and detainment of 37 people. It's not just, it's not legal, and it should not happen.
Focusing on the alleged shoplifting is totally misplaced. Do you think this is justifiable - this kind of abuse of power? How will you feel when you're face down on the ground in plastic cuffs with your 100 closest friends because someone ran a red, graffitied a stop sign, or spat on the sidewalk?
LAPD is on notice with the federal government about this shit. We, the citizens of the City of LA, have a responsibility to hold their feet to the fire.
4th amendment > misdemeanor theft
Alex Thompson09.8.08 - 2:15 pm
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Alex Thompson-
Thank you so much for all your work on this. I
got felt up was 'detained' by the cops that night. Anything I can do to help?
danya09.8.08 - 2:27 pm
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Alex,
Is there a video available online?
skd09.8.08 - 2:30 pm
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"Focusing on the alleged shoplifting is totally misplaced."
Hardly. That's like saying we should just accept the fact that numbers of us are going to shoplift, and instead focus on what happens after that.
" Do you think this is justifiable - this kind of abuse of power?"
Of course not. But what does that have to do with focusing on the shoplifting? Nobody said what the cops did was okay (or did they? I honestly didn't see anything like that.) There are two separate (but related) problems that need to be addressed.
"How will you feel when you're face down on the ground in plastic cuffs with your 100 closest friends because someone ran a red, graffitied a stop sign, or spat on the sidewalk?"
Irritated at the excessive force from the cops - but sure as shit, JUST as pissed off at the person who "ran a red, graffitied a stop sign, or spat on the sidewalk" in front of a cop to begin with.
turrican09.8.08 - 2:35 pm
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danya -
No problem. The best thing you can do right now email me at
alexcthompson@gmail.com
If you can sit down and write out everything you remember from the time y'all arrived at CVS till you left CVS that will do two things:
1) Help you remember details later if this goes to court
2) Help us put together a better narrative of what went down.
@skd.
All in due time . . . it should be available soon.
@turrican
I'm not going to argue with you. If you equate the massive abuse of power by armed law enforcement officers who have sworn to uphold the constitution with someone ripping off a candybar, then you and I have nothing to talk about. We simply can't relate to one another.
Alex Thompson09.8.08 - 2:44 pm
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@Alex
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm saying that it is a mistake to allow the issue of a few ruining things for the many to be swept aside by the "bigger" issue of the police overreaction.
turrican09.8.08 - 2:53 pm
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Turrican, no-one is justifying the alleged shoplifting. What is being said is that the self hatred that has been going on in this thread, the automatic assumption that, because someone stole someone before, someone was automatically stealing this time, well it may not be the thing that should be the primary focus of the discussion.
So the person arrested had a beer in their bag, it was cold, they also had a bag, and someone else may not have, I know I've put my beer in someone else's bag on a ride before because I didnt have one, and this usually occurred right outside the store where I bought it. I also probably didnt give them the receipt as it was probably in my wallet.
Sure there's a bit of dumbassery for not carrying ID and carrying alchohol, however, without a description, that person was searched illegally.
Saying the store manager was singling out the person who was arrested is also not entirely correct, the store owner was screaming at everyone, he shut down the store, ejected everyone who was inside, screamed at patrons before people left, screamed at people even before the cops showed up.
The cops were acting on a call that said "Someone is stealing something" that was the extent of their information, that had no description, no account of what was being stolen and could not even provide a gender for the thief, that to me doesnt sound like reasonable suspicion for ANY suspect, never mind reasonable suspicion to search 37 people, regardless of innocence. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and without probable cause (i.e. matching a description other than being a person who has a mode of transportation) there is no justifiable cause to detain and search so many people.
Are you telling me that in a parking lot full of cars, if someone steals something the cops should round up the drivers/passengers of EVERY car, search them and proclaim one of them the thief?
The cops also searched people after they flat out stated that they did not consent to being searched (which is your RIGHT, you should NEVER consent to a search by a LEO, regardless of weather or not you have anything to hide), which is against the law. The egregious violations took place over some alleged MISDEMEANOR theft.
From what I have learned through this incident that area has only 9 cars on duty at night, so cops were being pulled from either other divisions or they were just waiting for something like this to happen. Other than in that parking lot, there were no other cops out on duty in the Van Nuys division for that entire span of time (nearly 2 hours), and from what I have gathered (and common sense tells me) that there were other things going on more important than the possibility of some beer having gone missing.
FuzzBeast09.8.08 - 2:55 pm
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what the cops did was not only JUSTIFIED it was completely PREDICTABLE. TELL ME ever ever ever ever in the history of crime in Los Angeles when a group of 50 people could just roll up to a store and provide cover for a couple thieves (whether the people providing cover 'knew about the thieves' or not) and then NOT get searched and detained by the cops?!!?
This is never ever ever going to court ever. you WILL get laughed out of whatever lawyer's office you go to to try and bring a case.
Roadblock09.8.08 - 2:56 pm
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"Are you telling me that in a parking lot full of cars, if someone steals something the cops should round up the drivers/passengers of EVERY car, search them and proclaim one of them the thief?"
I don't understand where the "turrican is justifying what the cops did" thing is coming from - seriously.
turrican09.8.08 - 2:58 pm
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+1 turrican
We can't influence the police through this forum, but we can have some influence (albeit marginal) on our fellow riders.
You want to work on changing the police attitude toward riders, make an appointment to talk to the precinct captain, send a letter or an e-mail to the precinct, or work with Alex T. on whatever he's up to regarding this.
You want to make your voice heard about the dumbfucks that keep screwing up the ride for everyone, how to make the rides better and safer and more enjoyable, and how to keep Midnight Ridazz a place for sustainable fun, then this is the place.
It's not hard to participate on these rides while staying sober and reasonably law abiding and still have a tremendous amount of fun.
JB09.8.08 - 3:04 pm
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Hey FUZZ, yes, a parking lot full of cars would ALSO provide justification. As a matter of fact I used to drive a 69 Buick and was part of a car club of classic / hot rod cars. Really We were young and stupid of course and some of us stole beer from a Ralphs when we arrived at their parking lot. Needless to say the cops were called and cornered us ALL and asked questions and searched our shit. It's a reason-able reaction. any "GROUP" WILL BE DETAINED for the criminal actions of a few until they find out who the crooks are. It happens all the time. Live in LA for 20-30 years and you will get it. EVEN IF it's a gross violation, it has been happening for so long that no court will care to hear it. I guarantee it.
Roadblock09.8.08 - 3:05 pm
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Which is exactly why I feel self-policing (for lack of a better term) is so important.
Don't give cause for the cops to show up in the first place.
turrican09.8.08 - 3:15 pm
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Hopefully when it gets colder outside all the dumbfucks who steal shit will stay inside.
I agree with both aspects of the discussion here...
1) We need to keep other ride participants from stealing by first trying to talk them out of it before they steal. If they continue anyway, they need to be called out immediately. I don't think I am alone here when I say that ANYONE WHO STEALS SHIT IS NOT WELCOME ON ANY RIDE.
2) We need to raise awareness of the constitutional rights among all regular riders so they can step up and be leaders in scenarios like this. Not everyone knows what their rights are, sadly. Not everyone knows how to stand up and talk to a massive police force, either. The more people who are able to do this effectively, the better.
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 3:23 pm
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I must say, I tried talking to the cops on Saturday, and the answer was, "Shut up and face the wall, or we can arrest you and take you in." They had some sort of counter to every argument I could come up with under pressure, and of course, 18 cops: 1 mouthy kid, I think I'd end up in that jail cell if they wanted me to. It wouldn't matter if it's retroactively illegal, they still can harass us in the moment even if we know our rights.
danya09.8.08 - 3:28 pm
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THE ONLY RIGHT YOU HAVE WHEN THEY STOP YOU IS TO:
'SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!"
eddieboyinla09.8.08 - 3:30 pm
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Like I said, the more people who know their rights the better.
I would have done the same thing in your shoes. Even if it was just me talking to 1 cop.
With 10 other people behind my back thinking / saying the exact same thing though, I think there is way more of a chance to get through and speak some truths.
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 3:31 pm
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What do I know, though... I'm just guessing.
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 3:32 pm
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Actually, your rights when stopped are more like this:
You CAN refuse to be searched, unlike a car where there's some bullshit about licensing and stuff which makes refusing things like DUI tests and things not possible, on a bicycle there is no such requirement, you CAN refuse a search, if they then search you anyway, it is a DEFINITE violation of your 4th amendment rights, unless they have already arrested you.
DO NOT consent to a search, as a general rule. EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. Also, one person in a group consenting to a search does not allow them to search an entire group, they must receive consent from EACH INDIVIDUAL.
Beyond a name and address you do not need to provide any information to a cop or even talk to them, except under certain circumstances, one of which is if you are holding alcohol, due to age requirements they can require identification in such a circumstance to verify your age, however, if you do not consent to a search, they shouldn't find any anyway, otherwise you're probably getting a ticket (which still doesnt mean you have to let them search you) for an open container, or he alchohol is visible but closed. Otherwise you do not need to provide any hard identification.
They will threaten bullshit like arrest, it's how they react, however, if you are co-operative, but do not provide information, there is not much that can do LEGALLY (it doesnt mean they won't break laws).
FuzzBeast09.8.08 - 3:39 pm
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i am most curious..
those that were detained and the one person that was arrested (or two, not sure which story is correct) what is the exact reason as to why they are being held?
- no ID
- open container
- carrying marijuana
- BUI
- assaulting a police officer (my mouthing off)
- they were caught with what was stolen from CVS
- public intoxication
ALSO
to those that were being searched what was the exact reason they said they were searching you?
- was it because they believed you stole something from CVS?
ALSO
- what was / were the items that the manager believed were stolen from CVS?
Thank you.
bondink09.8.08 - 3:50 pm
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crossbone and anybody in this shit talking shit bout Alex ''Tall Cans'' fuck u punk ass B%#&$. fuck all u foos that talk shit on this site. u know who u are.. and pointing fingers and saying i saw this i saw that. keep you mouth shut and just fucken ride.. its not 'Tall cans'' fault that all this shit happened.. suckes it happened on his ride and he is not responsible for other peoples actions.. get it straight.. and a crossbone fuck u foo u know who we are and saying hell polo u cant even hang with us punk ass B%#%. HEy '' so if anybody has to say anything bout us or tall cans come to us and we can get this shit straight in a quick second..
davidh608109.8.08 - 3:55 pm
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it dont matter why this whay that dont ask shit that dont concern u.. what happened that day is done leave it alone.. it dont matter it happened and thats it..
davidh608109.8.08 - 4:02 pm
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Nobody besides crossbone has said anything from what I can see, and nobody is blaming Alex. Everything is going to be fine, try to take a deep breath and relax.
The main issues at hand are stealing & illegal searches.
jonnyboy09.8.08 - 4:02 pm
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I was told that i was told we were being detained as 'assistants to a crime' or some shit like that. When I said that it violated my 4th ammendment rights, the cops said that the above was probable cause. I tried to refuse giving information and searching, they threatened to cuff me and force the information out of me (taking thumbprints) and took my ID out of my bag anyways.
danya09.8.08 - 4:03 pm
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davidh6081
09.8.08 - 6:55 pm
word
Graham09.8.08 - 4:04 pm
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I don't ride my bike on social rides to provoke the cops to prove that I live in a police state.
I KNOW I live in a police state. The GENIOUS behind the MR rides is that for the most part we have managed to ride, party and build huge social networks despite the police state. We don't get parade permits, we don't get dancing permits, we don't get sound permits, we don't get alcohol permits we just roll. And as we roll the people we roll by think we are cool. We roll and rock the status quo.
Now some people don't get it how brilliant this is.They are bored and starved for attention. They need that parental interference. And of course in a hierarchical society there is no shortage of parents wannabes. You have the "bad" parents (the cops) who want to spank you and punish you and you have the "good" parents (the civil libetarian wannabes) who come to "protect" you from the "bad" parents.
All in all it's a protection racket that we have proven we can live without. We don't need this shit. And we don't need the people who thrive on this shit.
marino09.8.08 - 4:16 pm
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If anybody sees someone stealing again on a ride. Point them out and Tren Way and I will kick their ass regardless who they are.
Yes even if it is Franz.
And I'm not kidding. Violence is the only way.
Joe Borfo09.8.08 - 4:17 pm
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Bunny? lol what?
oh, and violence is so FTW!!!1!!1!
danya09.8.08 - 4:21 pm
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Okay I really tried to stay off of this!!
Chynna is right: if you were not there then you don't know shit.
Palorbikes I think I spelled it wrong please forgive me.
FIRST of all Bernie is not 19 he is 24 hence fourth thats why he wasn't thrown the book at him. SECOND he wasn't the one who stole the beer he was holding the stolen beer. The Motherfucker who stole the beer Called Alex while we were all lined up against the wall.I know who it is and I hope I never see that asshole again. THIRD When this asshole tried to walk out the store the security stopped him and his response was (I was told from his friend) "FUCK you, you don't know who your messing with because there are 50+ of us outside. Hence the Fucking Search.
I never stepped inside so I don't know what happened inside. I got the story from Bernie Himself.
I know Bernie is an ass, a jerk, not responsible, not respectful, not reliable, no good morals but he isn't the only one. there are many among you that like casting stones but you yourselves aren't perfect.
I just ask for riders to be more responsible and follow the rules...thats what they are there for to keep us out of trouble.
I think I was the only one who didn't get searched and I was standing next to Berns the whole time:)
puglife09.8.08 - 6:19 pm
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@kryxtanicole
hopefully i'll stop by polo tonight. i've never been. and thanks for the compliment! i like to think i'm a little intelligent every once in a while. :)
if i'm there i'll be the kid with a guitar strapped to his bike.
animal09.8.08 - 6:33 pm
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ANY TIME A RIADA SHOW THE PROPENSITY FOR WRONG DOING, HE/SHE NEEDS TO BE REACHED, AND TALKED TO REGARDING THEIR BEHAVIOR, BEING AN OLDER GENTLEMAN LIKE I AM, I FIND MY SELF TALKING TO MORE AND MORE ROOKIES. HOPEFULLY REASON CAN BE REACHED.
eddieboyinla09.8.08 - 6:41 pm
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AN OLDER GENTLEMAN? THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT IF I'VE EVER HEARD ONE....YOU OLD BAG OF BONES.... JK. EDDIE'S COOL AND SEES NINJAS.
barleye09.8.08 - 6:47 pm
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+10000 Eddie
I tried many times to talk to Bernie.He is my friend and I look after all my friends. You should all know that. I just can't get threw that guy. he has his mind set to ruin himself and that a shame I just hope for the best
puglife09.8.08 - 6:49 pm
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even i was there and im still learning new shit of what actually happened.. like with the bag bernie was holding wasnt actually his, nor was the alcohol that someone bought who was over 21 and did have a recipt, that of course bernie didnt have on him.
anyway. regardless i have to agree with dont make assumptions if you dont know what happened.. gabby is he okay?
also alex do you still want those photos.
tinycities09.8.08 - 6:58 pm
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Bernie Never carries a bag.He makes me hold all his shit.
His hipster bag was stolen along with his I.D. about two months ago.
I don't know about Bernie. I contacted his family and they aren't very happy but they are keeping me informed.
They still don't know where he was taken.
Johnny I didn't mean to make this thread about Bernie.Sorry:( But people who weren't there and don't know the story need to know the truth.
puglife09.8.08 - 7:11 pm
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i seriously wrote about a page worth of post. and then deleted it.
we don't know why bernie got arrested. don't fucking assume anything.
also. choose your rides. there are people who do not care about you on these rides. so a public thread like this is useless to them. i experience bad luck almost every ride i go on. there are people like gaby who still go on these rides after being disrespected, hurt, injured by the rides around her and still comes out and still has everyone's back since she still has mad love for her friends. if you don't have the nerve, patience and love for the midnight rides, don't come out.. complain all you want, but in reality it's doing nothing. i know alex has already made serious adjustments to his ride and that's all i wanna hear.
HANDBONE09.8.08 - 7:42 pm
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I'm going to steal something on the next ride, just for the privilege of having my ass kicked by a guy in a bunny suit.
PC09.8.08 - 7:56 pm
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this whole idea of it being okay for the cops to detain a "group" is ridiculous.
lets run the numbers and find a group that commits more robberies. lets just pick a race, or national background, or assigned gender. then when we find that group we should follow them and give them sub standard educations and housing to continue the system already in place.
oh wait, we already do that, and its working fine.
yay!
mikeywally09.8.08 - 7:56 pm
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"I'm going to steal something on the next ride, just for the privilege of having my ass kicked by a guy in a bunny suit."
I was thinking the same thing, until I realized I would have to explain to Maria why her husband had re-injured himself kicking my ass.
franz09.8.08 - 7:59 pm
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mikey unfortunately it was sherman oaks and not golden gate park.
+1 for summarizing my frustration with authority though.
i'm done with this thread
HANDBONE09.8.08 - 8:04 pm
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"this whole idea of it being okay for the cops to detain a "group" is ridiculous. "
then you havent lived in LA or the valley very long.... you haven't lived through the mobbing era where entire crews would mob into a store and rack everything in sight. it was a real problem for communities and merchants for a while and I'm guessing the cops dont want to see it come back any time soon. Sherman Oaks Galleria used to get hit in waves. Hop the RTD 150 down to Hollywood blvd. and repeat.
Nothin But Trouble, Setting The Pace and Un Stop-able Criminals were the ones operating in the Valley. hahah the days....
Roadblock09.8.08 - 8:06 pm
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I haven't stolen anything in quite awhile. I guess it would be fun, but I'd rather not do it on a MR. What if I get other people to steal for me, would that still warrant the beating? Because that's really all I'm going for.
franz09.8.08 - 8:08 pm
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" give them sub standard educations and housing to continue the system already in place. '.
My brothers and I are products of LA Unified (LAUSD) and grew up in Echo Park. We have done well with the cards we were dealt. Education is what you make it, quit using it as a crutch.
sc_nomad09.8.08 - 8:08 pm
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+1 to Handbone's last post.
@Danya
The police showed us no respect. More specifically, that one tall cop treated us like we were juvenile delinquents at a boot camp or something. He even said he was going to take my purse if I went in it again.
Coe coe buttaa09.8.08 - 8:09 pm
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roadblock... not something you can explain to average joe, in fact I don't even try to explain or excuse any kind of behaviour like "back in the day" if anything i'd take responsibility for it, wich i did. you know about having a crewmate's back. but this is open to the public. there is "responsibility" and "grown ups".
HANDBONE09.8.08 - 8:12 pm
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another thing about being open to the public.
people, the police DO read these forums.
i don't hide my identity because like mikey, i believe i have the right to not be scared.
but i do know this is a police state.
i know i said im done with the thread... but yea.
HANDBONE09.8.08 - 8:14 pm
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@sc_nomad
Yes, you're absolutely right. Everyone's opinion definitely is valid, I just meant those words for the talk that is based off of assumptions and/ or word of mouth.
@Roadblock
everything you said +1
imachynna09.8.08 - 8:33 pm
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my charges will be dropped when i go to court.... my lawyer told me cause it was a false arrest and no one stoled wiskey that night or even beer.. the person who tried to steal was stopped at the door.....
the fat asshole manager was just being a super dick who just was really scared of what was going on...... but i hate him and when the charges get dropped. i am going to the cvs with a lawyer and demand they pay for my arrest files to be cleared.....
to the people who always talk shit on the treads about me and other riders, FUCK YOU!!!!! if you don't know what happened then fucking stay out of it! and since you seem to have balls to post lies and false information about something you fucking don't have any
clue about and really isn't any of your business.. then i guess this means you should also have balls to tell those same riders to their face, what you post on the treads about them!!!! you bunch of slanderous pieces of shit!!! you people are always starting shit or making things worse... when you dont even know the truth.... and also you don't need to know to begin with..... fucking get a life!
everybody who likes to just ride their bikes and don't want to be a fucking clubmember elite-core bitch! thank you... i will always have your back and be by your side.... i will never pretend to like you or leave you to defend yourself....
and for those people who claim to hate me or anyother rider, please just let us know how you feel about us to our face.... cause you just tend to hide behind your profile which has no pic of you....
p.s steve aka noisepocket, i love you man :) your one of my one of my best friends who i care a lot about.... thanks for going to the jail to try and visit me man... stupid cops told you i wasn't there cause they're dicks and a bunch of rookies....
i love you man, i hope you know that....
the return of the frenchconn..09.9.08 - 4:07 am
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i didn't steal shit, i was just holding paid beer for a minor who didn't want to get caught with it, and wiskey from cvs which SOMA bought but couldn't hold because he is also a minor and a friend so i offered to help ou aswell.....
soma you owe me big time!! you said the receipt was in the bag!! it wasn't in there and the cops thought i stoled the wiskey!!! you owe me a get out of jail card or lunch for a month!!! :/
the return of the frenchconn..09.9.08 - 4:18 am
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soma you're the main reason why i got a private arrest from cvs!!!
you didnt have the reciept in the bag!!!!! do you know how fucking boring jail was??????? i had to watch footbal all fucking sunday!! i hate fucking watching sports!!!!!! its like watching someone eat on t.v. when you're the one who is hungry and wishing was eating whatever is be viewed!!!!
cool thing was i mad friends in jail!! i befriended some southsiders,armrobbers, dui' ers , and drug users!!!!! everybody in jail was fucking cool as hell they gave me their food,drinks, told me stories, advice, etc,etc,etc.....
i kinda miss them...... to all the county jail homies, stay safe and stay free!!!!! your inmate bernie, aka guy who called every inmate out on their toilet turn......
the return of the frenchconn..09.9.08 - 4:29 am
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Glad you're OK. Maybe you guys can get CVS for selling beer to a minor.
sc_nomad09.9.08 - 9:30 am
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@ return of the frenchonn
way to take one for the team. I hope that your charges are dropped and CVS compensates you for your time in some way.
@ handbone
seriously, feed the man.
Undercover Bob09.9.08 - 9:39 am
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bump bern
Yeh...Im fucking tired or hearing stories and bullshit and rumors about Bernie...Did you know he's a pretty cool guy if *gasp* you're cool with him?...Golly weird how that work.
DROP THE BULLSHIT!! Kill the defamation and stop with the character assassination!
I look around at some of these asshole shit talkers..and think...
"Damn, how lame. Fuckin assholes right there, Bernie's right there,
and asshole aint doing shit."
We cannot use this site to mask our contempt for one another. If you have a bone to pick, approach one another and discuss it in person.
We're not in highschool...(err except for a few of you guys I guess).
Scratch that. We're not in preschool! Stop with the playground drama.
We're supposed to be a united front. A community. I felt that when I started but now, it's dwindling.
C'mon guys drop the bullshit already, high five one another and move on eh?
NOISEPOCKET09.9.08 - 9:40 am
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I highly doubt the cops here in los angeles read these forums.
Graham09.9.08 - 10:05 am
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I know a few who do but not in an official capacity. But some cops are on all the time.
sc_nomad09.9.08 - 10:07 am
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damn bernie, had i known you didnt have your id on you, i wouldnt have given you my bag.
the only question i asked is if you were 21, and you agreed to take my bag.
i owe you big time...
you still got my bag? hit me up mail [at] ijunes [dotcom]
ijunes09.9.08 - 10:20 am
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Bernie,
I have Syoma's receipt for the whiskey. I got it for him.
Coe coe buttaa09.9.08 - 10:59 am
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I talked to Bernie that night while we were riding down Lankershim Blvd. He is trying to get a job, he is trying to finish college and he is trying to make his parents happy. I know some people talk shit about him here, but I actually talk to him in person at the rides. I have said this before, we all aren't perfect, but if someone is cool to me like Bernie is, then I will always have respect for him.
There is a small group here who like to talk shit on the forum about people, but because they are afraid of the consequences (like a rearranged face), they won't say anything in person. That's called being a coward (and you folks know who you are). You want to talk shit, say it to my face...and prepare to face the consequences. If not shut up. Thanks.
skd09.9.08 - 11:34 am
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did you just talk shit to the people talking shit? on the forum? coward?
Let people communicate to the community the way they want. Let everyone decide for themselves if they are acting "cowardly". And don't be so black/white ;o
thestolba09.9.08 - 11:50 am
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let the first person that throws stones be on to others posted profiles for all to see. May he be the one self-righteous walk in the valley of the beast. For only the one true god shall upon the flock for all to witness, or in the first 3,000 miles. Whichever comes first.
John ch 3.25 ver 34
User109.9.08 - 12:00 pm
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And just for the record, I would like to say that my thread was for the sole purpose of eliminating, or reducing the need for law-enforcement presence on the rides.
From Bernie's side of the story, it looks and sounds like this whole mess was simply a combination of a "misunderstanding", a "break-down in communications", and to a lesser extent, "wrong place/wrong time".
But, once again, if anyone thinks I was trying to start a witch-hunt myself, y'all got it all wrong.
-----End of rebuttal----
bentstrider09.9.08 - 12:59 pm
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Come talk to me in person stolba, I am always on the rides...are you? Because I don't think I know you. So come talk to me in person.
skd09.9.08 - 1:15 pm
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It's get'n SPICY in here!!!
YEEOOOWWWZA
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 1:16 pm
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@skd
take it easy. I know the thestolba from the rides and he doesn't take himself too seriously. I think he just meant to point out some slightly comical irony and I doubt it was intended to come off as mockery but I understand your reaction after all this persecution.
Undercover Bob09.9.08 - 1:50 pm
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anybody have bernie's number by any chance?
ijunes09.9.08 - 2:14 pm
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Bernie Dosen't have a cell right now (out of minutes)
MOM_RIDAZ42009.9.08 - 2:18 pm
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man that video is fucking classic.
Graham09.9.08 - 2:52 pm
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SEE? DOING ILLEGAL STUFF ON RIDES WILL HURT US, MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
I BET WE CAN NOT GO BACK TO THAT CVS, EVEN ANOTHER RIDE CAN NOT GO THERE, IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THERE WAS NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE, WE CAN NOT GO BACK THERE, TODAY, TOMORROW, NEVER !!
OF COURSE IF THE WORLD COMES TO AN END, THEN WE CAN TAKE ALL THE BEER AT THAT PARTICULAR CVS, BE PREPARED… TO DO THE RIGHT THING AT THE NEXT AND ALL RIDES.
eddieboyinla09.9.08 - 3:02 pm
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Sure, illegal shit hurts us. So people should stop doing it, and should spread the word that we don't want it happening; however, there was a lot of conclusion jumping and blame and vitriol going on in this thread, much of it from people who were not there, and from people making assumptions about what happened, even before they knew all, or even any, of the facts, and that in itself hurts us too. It hurts us on a community level.
Sure there are people who don't like Bernie, as I am sure, even in this community, one can find someone who doesnt like just about every individual on these rides, myself included, however, that is no reason to jump to conclusions. Jumping to conclusions is what the manager of the CVS and the Cops did, and look what that caused. Throwing blame around is what causes lynch mobs to happen, and seriously, we dont need that attitude in this community. While we may have problems to work out, being divisive isn't how to solve them. Being constructive is.
Divisiveness doesnt help anyone. Even if that person has caused some division in the past, you know what, who cares, until the facts are in, it's better to try to help them, and support them, rather than pointing fingers. Who knows, they may actually need our help. All pointing fingers does is cause more division. Turn the other fucking cheek people. We are supposed to be a community, and that's really a rare thing in today's society.
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 3:13 pm
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"no one stoled wiskey that night or even beer.. the person who tried to steal was stopped at the door..... " - frenchconn
No one stole, but someone got caught? What the fuck is that all about?
Sounds like all the speculation and assumptions were actually TRUE, some one WAS trying to steal. Was s/he someone on the ride? or just some stranger? I wasn't there, and I sure wasn't going to chime in on this stupid, redundant thread - until I read those words. All this trouble started because someone tried to steal from the CVS, period. Whatever actions the cops & management took, even though it was illegal, stupid, and a waste of time and resources - was started because some idiot got caught stealing.
Stop stealing when you're on OUR rides, assholes.
the reverend dak09.9.08 - 3:42 pm
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Thanks Undercover Bob, I know you and talk to you on the rides. If you vouch for thestolba, than no worries. I like to meet everyone in person anyway. Everyone is a little on edge because of the latest incidents. As a community we all need to pull together.
skd09.9.08 - 3:44 pm
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We need to shut the forums down for a week and go have group hugs on the beach at sunset every day instead. While everyone is hugging on the beach, Roadblock can detox this place and everyone can start fresh next week.
Or, you know, not...
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 3:49 pm
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Fuzzbeast,
While agree with your call for togetherness/community, I would like to caution everyone that you cannot use this spirit to hide any wrong doing, as it affects the whole group.
Aside from the lessons we learned about the 4th Amendment, illegal search and seizure, etc. It is important to note a more immediate and practical lesson. That is when you buy alcohol for a minor and the cops come, an adult will be blamed and possibly arrested.
I cannot blame minors from wanting to drink, we've all been there, but I question the judgement of an adult that promotes it. I've met Syoma and he is a very likable, charismatic young man. I can see how people can get swayed but the risks are not worth it.
sc_nomad09.9.08 - 3:50 pm
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I'll invite the SMPD, too
Or.... maybe.... no?
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 3:50 pm
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Positive thread? I have a feeling people have lost faith in it.
imachynna09.9.08 - 3:53 pm
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"Turn the other fucking cheek people. We are supposed to be a community, and that's really a rare thing in today's society. " - fuzz.
You can't do that Fuzz. You HAVE to call out people on their bullshit. If you don't, they won't know - or understand, that what they are doing is unacceptable to our community. I'm not saying turn them into the cops, FUCK THAT - FUCK THE POLICE. We take care of ourselves, as a community, and that means we talk to the troublemakers and help them understand what they do, reflects on all of us. I don't want us looking like a bunch of fucking hoodlums that steal from the local markets, that sucks. I don't care about stealing from corporations, but I do it on my own time, not yours. If we're a bunch of outlaw bikers, that take over bars, rob liquor stores, and tear through cities wreaking havok, then that's what we do - but that's NOT what we do. We ride bikes for fun, and to be with our friends. If you are stealing, while on my ride, you're not acting like a friend of mine, so please don't come on my ride - it's as simple as that.
If a ride is posted on Midnight Ridazz, then it's Midnight Ridazz - deal with it, and don't fucking steal.
It's called REPRESENTING.
the reverend dak09.9.08 - 3:58 pm
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I dont know I found this word confusing....
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vitriol
if it helps someone else... cool!
DeKadenzy09.9.08 - 3:59 pm
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This is whole situation is like the Kurosawa film Rashomon, many different versions of what happened. we may never know the full story.
skd09.9.08 - 4:01 pm
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@jonnyboy
We need to shut the forums down for a week and go have group hugs on the beach at sunset every day instead. While everyone is hugging on the beach, Roadblock can detox this place and everyone can start fresh next week.
Or, you know, not...
---------- SOUNDS GAY JOHNNYBOY.........
eddieboyinla09.9.08 - 4:06 pm
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Fuzz I really love what you said. I totally agree with you.
puglife09.9.08 - 4:09 pm
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Dak, I wasn't saying ignore illegal shit, i was saying that, just because someone did something stupid in the past, or pissed someone off in the past, doesn't mean that we should abandon them when they DO need our help,
No on the contrary shit should be called out as it happens, and I was never saying we should use community to cover for those that do something stupid.
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 4:10 pm
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If group hugs on the beach are gay, I don't wanna be ungay.
PC09.9.08 - 4:13 pm
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Roshomon-
great when the dead guy testified in court,
I was blown away.
DeKadenzy09.9.08 - 4:13 pm
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Dammit Louis, we miss you on the rides!
skd09.9.08 - 4:17 pm
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Yeah, there's a lot of wrong facts people have here.
Anyway, all this talk is old. Remember the Grateful Dead ride? Remember someone stole on that ride and there was talk for days about thieves and consequences?
imachynna09.9.08 - 4:17 pm
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^^^^ problem is it happened again and on your watch.
sc_nomad09.9.08 - 4:22 pm
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Thanks Stuart!
I made it out to the last LACM, but I came late and stayed mostly in the back helping ridazz.
DeKadenzy09.9.08 - 4:22 pm
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aww, that makes me miss my pet rat I used to have.
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 4:25 pm
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can i get in on that group hug??
funanu09.9.08 - 4:28 pm
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its all good. i didnt wanna hug u anyways chynna!
funanu09.9.08 - 4:31 pm
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thieves should be taken out and beat!
on a serious note: why are we now as a community talking about this? people have been stealing on MR rides for years...
Adrian_The_BEAST09.9.08 - 4:33 pm
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Everyone can get in on the group hug!
Come to pier pressure, maybe there will be group hugs to send the kiddies back to school in good spirits.
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 4:34 pm
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i dont know about riding in SM... the cops have been a real pain lately. i wonder why?
Adrian_The_BEAST09.9.08 - 4:35 pm
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Adrian..
First of all seemed like your whole post was on a serious note!
Secondly, there were 14 cop cars!!!!
Thirdly, get in on dis group hug!!!
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 4:35 pm
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in the words of Eddie....
CYPER HUG
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 4:37 pm
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"On your watch"? On whose watch?
No ride organizer is responsible for the individual actions of people who show up to that ride. We are each responsible for the things we each do.
It would be great if we could call shit out as we see it, before the police get involved. But it would be even better if we didn't have to.
katiepoche09.9.08 - 4:38 pm
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Jonnnny,
ok ok, i will break down and give hugs for free. i usually charge!
Adrian_The_BEAST09.9.08 - 4:39 pm
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There ya go!
Any other takers on this CYPER HUG?
skd? fuzz? eddie?
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 4:41 pm
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FuzzBeast,
I have to disagree with you on this
one can find someone who doesnt like just about every individual on these rides, myself included,
FuzzBeast
09.9.08 - 6:13 pm
everybody likes you, actually they all love you.
NOTE: if anybody out there doesn't like FuzzBeast I will dress Joe Borfo up as half pitbull half Sarah Palin and sick him on you.
sexy09.9.08 - 4:46 pm
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Thanks for saying that Katie, I was going to make a similar comment, but I got distracted by something shiny or something.
Stealing has been a problem on MR for a while, not just form stores, but from each other too. Remember Syoma's bike(s), my bag, other stuff that has gone missing?
Unfortunately, in a group that is open to ANYONE, anyone can come along. In all reality, we are often a group of strangers who happen to be riding bikes together. This makes it really difficult for us to know who's doing what, etc.
I'm sorry Dennis, but that sort of "it was your watch" talk is the kind of divisive, finger pointing kind of talk I was talking about earlier. It's everyone's responsibility to watch out for themselves, and to make it known what is and isn't tolerated in the group, however it isn't everyone's responsibility to scrutinize every other person they come in contact with. Sure if you see something happening, say something, make it known that that sort of behavior isn't tolerated; however, saying it's someone's watch, or fault that someone else did something on a ride someone was on, well that really isn't the case.
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 4:47 pm
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...HOLY CRAP!
Sexy is alive? and on the internets?
What next? He comes out on a ride?
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 4:48 pm
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awe.. CYBER HUGS are bestest!
i love you guys! it's just like one GIANT family - some people make mistakes and others get angry, but in the end - we all cyber HUG!
so great - i love you MRsssszzz!
bondink09.9.08 - 4:50 pm
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Fuzz:
i am with you on this the stealing from eathother! someone tried to take my GF's bike on the first SWARM THE PIER RIDE. it suks....
i do also uinderstand that people are F@@king idiots. so i keep an eye on my stuff more then i used too. shit this was nota problem when there were only 80 people on the rides. yeah, i have been around for awhile.
Adrian_The_BEAST09.9.08 - 4:51 pm
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jonny you know I always hug all of you guys and girls.
CYPER HUG
skd09.9.08 - 4:56 pm
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YES YES YES!!!
The mood of this thread is changing!!!
CYPER HUGS for everyone!
And Sara- that is a cyPer HUG! It's more spicy that way!
jonnyboy09.9.08 - 5:01 pm
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Crunkle the Hug says... MOOORERRRRRRR!
FuzzBeast09.9.08 - 5:01 pm
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Fuzz, I just have to smile whenever I see that purple puppet.
skd09.9.08 - 5:02 pm
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For he who walks among us have shown shines of brilliance as we and all as followers can. Shall ye find with out upon thee soul, for it is he who comes before us. For thee neighbor of sheep herders, we must all yield ye to thee forum board. Only then shall the followers of the one true god yield ye to thee sword. Or may he parish in hell.
John 210 ver 23
User109.9.08 - 5:09 pm
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So yea I wrote:
LOL the 4th 4th amendment. Read the Patriot Act!!!!
PC:
Clearly you haven't. Nothing in the Patriot Act invalidates the Fourth Amendment as it applies to people accused of crimes not related to "terrorism." Even the broadest interpretation of that word doesn't include beer runs.
Now, then. To nip future nonsense like all of the above in the bud, can I suggest that people at least do five or ten minutes of Internet research before trying to be jailhouse lawyers in a thread where people are weighing legal options?
Well, your right on one thing.... the patriot act and beer runs don't go hand to hand. My response was a comment. Not legal advice buddy. =D
And clearly you haven't taken the time to read the Patriot act so...check out this link
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17326res20030403.html
Section 215 of the Patriot Act violates the Constitution in several ways. It:
Violates the Fourth Amendment, which says the government cannot conduct a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime.
Violates the Fourth Amendmentby failing to provide notice - even after the fact - to persons whose privacy has been compromised
libra77709.9.08 - 7:09 pm
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The 'on your watch' was bit harsh but valid. Everyone talks about solutions but when faced with the situation, very few will act.
sc_nomad09.9.08 - 7:31 pm
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epic fail to my voice on this video. :( i am embarassed.
tinycities09.9.08 - 8:00 pm
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@sc_nomad
That was a kind of part of my point. Kinda. That and the fact that no one will ever decide on one collective solution, as much as everyone would like to.
imachynna09.9.08 - 9:41 pm
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@imachynna
Yeah, I was pulling off cyper-group hugs back when I used to volunteer at the cyper-group home.
But, then one of the counselors thought I was getting a little, too friendly and I was ordered to take my stipend and leave.
But how else are you supposed to spread love to all the people?
Fancy psychiatric terms and mind-fucking?
No.
It's all about enveloping them in a squeeze of love.
Alright, that sounded tacky.
bentstrider09.9.08 - 11:28 pm
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hey juno, yeah i have your bag still,, i gave it to my friend to hold it before they took me to jail.... you know i wouldn't leave your bag there.. i made sure they took care of it.....
i'll give you my number thrpugh myspace ok? just click my midnight ridazz profile to find the link....
@ coco, hey thanks for getting the reciept for for me it means a lot!!!
i love u!!! your the best....
keep the reciept and gave it to when asap....
i am so glad you have it.........
soma, don't fell bad man, i did it for you, because i see u as my friend...
ps you owe me a get out of jailcard or $100 bucks worth of spooning or food... ; )
i need it to prove that i was telling the truth, the cvs manager was a big fat asshole motherfucker who can't even see clear...
i can't wait to get my lawyer on cvs for wrongfully assresting me.. cops didnt make the assrest cvs did! a private assrest! fuck them to hell.....
but also fuck lapd in the valley! they told my friends i wasn't in their jail, so as a result they couldn't find me or visit me...
i was defended the police when people would tell them shit or yell at them during rides, but now i changed my mind.. i hate the fucking police! the lie,cheat, misuse their power, and dont repect the citizens rights.... i told my aunt,uncle,cus,and cu inlaw about what happened because they all are in the police force... three are LAPD, two are county sheriffs.... they said it was wrong of them to do what they did and they are helping me with the problem....
the return of the frenchconn..09.10.08 - 2:35 am
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meant to say " i always defended" in the third paragarph,sorry i tend to make mistakes..
steve you need to come to this show tomorrow man, call me ok..
the return of the frenchconn..09.10.08 - 2:39 am
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MORAL OF THE STORY.
1 IDIOT TRY TO STEAL SOMETHING
37 RIDERS AFFECTED
DON'T FUCKING TRY OR ACCTUALLY STEAL ANYTHING.
THEN THIS THREAD AND MANY OTHERS LIKE IT, WILL NOT EXIST.
BERNIE CAN WATCH FOOTBALL AT HOME ON SUNDAY! (I would assume he would be watching youtube MR related things instead, or riding his bike)
Sorry if I put any information up that was false or implicated anyone without just cause. I was getting more of the story as we go along.
+1 tinycites "still learning details" ME TOO
+1 TC4TB rides are the shizzzzynittles
parlorbikes09.10.08 - 8:58 am
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