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LACM TICKETS
Thread started by trickmilla at 09.25.10 - 11:20 am

@LACM
Were you treated fairly? What did you witness?
If your friend(s) got a ticket, were they treated fairly?

@ Sgt. Krumer,
Can you give us a break down of how many tickets were given out, and what the citations were for? Were there arrests?


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30 citations
1 arrest
.....

from what i have gathered it was mostly for crossing over into oncoming traffic and drinking in public.. a few underage related violations

the arrest i understand was for felony vandalizm; some dude launched a bike at a police car... LMFAO...

why the fuck would any one do that?.. f*ck the fact it was a police car, but imagine what could happen to you're bike? bent rims. broken spokes. bent bars. or chain rings..

so yeah. hopefully Krumer lets us know official numbers



Aktive_420
09.25.10 - 11:25 am

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According to the very reliable media, 99% of us behaved like model citizens :D



Ninja biker
09.25.10 - 11:28 am

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Concerning the arrest....

He did not launch the bike at the car. As the police officers pulled up very close to him, squeezing him between the curb and the car, they ordered him to drop the bike. As he let go of the bike, the police officer from the passenger side forcefully opened the door, allowing the bike to hit the car door. (As there was no other place for the bike to go, since they pulled up so closely to him.)
I would say it was more like police officer's door hitting the bike rather than the bike hitting the car.
I believe the person who was arrested was unfairly targeted due to his dark complexion. He was pulled over for running the red light while following the police officer's vehicle. However, he was not the only one. An entire group of people followed that vehicle at that intersection.
Please help stop such unfair treatment.

Thank you.



nk287
responding to a comment by Aktive_420
09.25.10 - 11:40 am

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im glad those idiots tickets. They deserve it. Hope they dont come back to the next CM



palucha66
09.25.10 - 11:41 am

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Preliminary numbers are:

35 tickets
4 curfew violations
1 drinking in public
1 misdmeaner warrant arrest
1 arrest for felony vandalism on the police car when person being cited threw bike at car....I saw that one person disputed our account of what happened.



Sgt. David Krumer
09.25.10 - 11:58 am

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How Many Tickets for:
- 2x Yellow Line Violations?
- Running Red Lights?
- Corking?
- Lights?
- Helmet?

If there were any Light/Equipment/Helmet tickets, were they accompanying a traffic violation or issued individually?







trickmilla
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.25.10 - 12:30 pm

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LACM tickets? .... the fashion police should have been out writing tickets to badly dressed hipsters ... ha ha



Migcycle
09.25.10 - 12:40 pm

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I saw some kid get arrested, I don't think he was part of critical mass but he was yelling out gang signs with numbers or some shit like that

and all of a sudden we see the cops on their bikes take a u-turn and started chasing after him, it was freaking awesome



Laughoutlloyd8
09.25.10 - 12:40 pm

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that might have been an individual making terrorist threats at ridaz ie; threatining to shoot the ride.



Aktive_420
responding to a comment by Laughoutlloyd8
09.25.10 - 12:48 pm

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I don't have the breakdown of violations yet...hopefully Monday.



Sgt. David Krumer
09.25.10 - 12:54 pm

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Is everyone here IAB now?

Y'all are starting to skurr me. *** cuddles with blankie in the fallout shelter ***



bentstrider
09.25.10 - 4:31 pm

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Guaranteed that there is well over 100 citations written. I saw cops going after smaller groups of riders with no front headlight. I personally saw at least 40-50 people getting stopped for no front headlight. Now, i dont know for sure if they just stopped them and informed them or if they actually got a ticket. TO the riders with no headlights.....GET A HEADLIGHT FOR SAFETY !



shotgun_mike
09.25.10 - 4:42 pm

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nah man, less than 40 tix.. pretty good.. considering its a 2,000 person ride

mostly for crossing into oncoming traffic,

so how good is your guarantee?

happy 420



Aktive_420
responding to a comment by shotgun_mike
09.26.10 - 6:35 pm

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I didnt have a headlight. I didnt get ticketed. I even talked to several cops.



palucha66
responding to a comment by shotgun_mike
09.26.10 - 6:39 pm

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im glad those idiots tickets. They deserve it. Hope they dont come back to the next CM

palucha66

I didnt have a headlight. I didnt get ticketed. I even talked to several cops.

palucha66

Does anyone else notice some contradictions here?



buckchin
responding to a comment by palucha66
09.27.10 - 1:59 pm

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Yeah most of the tickets I witnessed was for ppl drinking out in the open with no discression...or ignoring the officers multiple warnings to get over to the right. There were easily 10 or more who were purposely challenging authority just to get a cool "harrassment" story and a lil bit of attention...LAMESKEEZ



FIXMYLIFE
09.27.10 - 3:09 pm

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Still glad those idiots got tickets. Also im talking about those kids thinking it was still cool to go on the left side of the road after they were warned.



palucha66
responding to a comment by buckchin
09.27.10 - 4:09 pm

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is this the thread where I can buy tickets to go to LACM?



jonnyboy
09.27.10 - 5:31 pm

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It sold out once again. Try craigslist.



coldcut
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
09.27.10 - 5:35 pm

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Naw man, all they be sellin' here is Wolf tickets!!!



bentstrider
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
09.27.10 - 6:15 pm

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go see cal



mechazawa
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
09.27.10 - 6:26 pm

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Have you seen a breakdown of the different citations yet?



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.28.10 - 11:19 am

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Negative...I did get an updated talley though of 51 tickets. If you recall I originally stated that the preliminary numbers are about 35.

I made a formal request for the breakdown. Multiple units from different divisions were present and each turned in their tickets to their "home" divisions. We now have to make phone calls and request the actual violations. So it will take about a week.



Sgt. David Krumer
responding to a comment by trickmilla
09.28.10 - 12:50 pm

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Thanks.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.28.10 - 12:59 pm

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I am so glad to see so many citations given out to the bad apples.

THANK YOU!!!



AestheticMynd
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
09.28.10 - 1:57 pm

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Yes and what was most important was that there were no citations given out for video recording arrests. You people learn fast!



Officer Friendly
09.28.10 - 2:21 pm

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Because you weren't able to catch them. They learn faster than you thought!



outerspace
responding to a comment by Officer Friendly
09.28.10 - 2:25 pm

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too bad all the cops were busy cruising around with lacm and giving traffic tickets. otherwise, one might have been at the wilshire/western metro station to catch the wanker stealing my saddle and seat post.



slowrighthand
09.28.10 - 2:38 pm

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My "on the beat" days are behind me now. I'm just killing time waiting for the day I can comfortably retire. Currently strapped to a desk and that's just fine with me.



Officer Friendly
09.28.10 - 3:01 pm

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so wait, tickets are sold out for real?

FMLLLLL



jonnyboy
09.28.10 - 6:27 pm

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Any update on the breakdown yet?



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
10.11.10 - 9:53 am

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Revenue, Revenue,Revenue, such an easy way to get Revenue.
This should offset the cost of enforcement. An added plus is the easy shift
the officers enjoy while monitoring the ride. Harasing cyclist sure beats a domestic
violence or armed robbery call.



Dedicated818
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
10.11.10 - 12:48 pm

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@Active420..........just a guess. From what i saw (people stopped and being written) and the amount of people on the ride......did a little fuzzy match. From Krumers preliminary of 35.....now at 50......I'd guess at least 80. Thats about 2% of people that were riding.
They probably should have stopped riders and given them a 3x5 postcard with VC 21201 to VC 27400 (pertaining to bicycles), and just F.I.'d them



shotgun_mike
responding to a comment by Aktive_420
10.11.10 - 4:05 pm

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hey, they have to make he money somehow to pay the cops that night. they were basically working on comission, the more tickets, the more for their pocket.



cyclepaths
10.11.10 - 8:18 pm

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Thanks trickmilla for reminding me...I will check on the citation breakdown when I get in tomorrow.





Sgt. David Krumer
10.11.10 - 11:17 pm

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Four tickets left for INFRACTION $200 OBO each
One ticket left for MISDEMEANOR $500 OBO

Don't wait. They'll go fast!



marino
10.11.10 - 11:33 pm

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Sorry for nit being sorry!! But last months LACM was the last for me these freaken cops cause more problems than help!!! I'm not for following these A-holes anymore they control the pace (if you can call it a pace i could have walked it faster) and then when kids that ride Fixed bikes with no breaks, pass them up and fail to stop at a red light they get a ticket. While they are suppose to be helping control the traffic they give these kids tickets come on how stupid they think people are? Why have all those cops and then not control the street lights at intersections??? They were stopping on purpose to slow and divide groups and thats BS. Sorry but me and 15 of my group will stick to our own not that i'm for breaking the law but when your suppose to be a part of our group your suppose to help not cause more issues!!!

What happened to Ride with no name ????

I will be starting a New ride in out of South Gate Park on Fridays let me know if your intrested!!
E-mail me acegets22@att.net

Happy cogs don't stop!!!



Acegets
10.12.10 - 1:37 am

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Barleye tends to switch up the meet spot for RWNN from time-to-time, just to keep things fresh.

IMHO, his ride seems to encounter less static due to his own unique set of tactics.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by Acegets
10.12.10 - 1:55 am

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Thanks Bro good to know please let me know if they are having one this month need a ride to releave all this F'N" stress from work and I really don't need more stress from LACM i rather kick back and ride to Venice and drop some 40's there...



Acegets
responding to a comment by bentstrider
10.12.10 - 9:31 pm

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Hi Everyone,

I promised to follow-up on the citations but did not get a chance to do so today. My apologies, I will look into it when I return to work.




Sgt. David Krumer
10.12.10 - 9:47 pm

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I encorage anybody who has the desire, time, and initivite to start another critical mass, in a different part of the city.

There is a core of people who will ride out from wilshire and western till their dying day, and that's great, but I personally thing it would be awesome if nobody in LA had to ride more than 3 or4 miles to make it to the closest LACM on the last Friday of the month.




trickmilla
responding to a comment by Acegets
10.12.10 - 10:03 pm

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they have been done. they are not successful as getting high numbers.



mechazawa
responding to a comment by trickmilla
10.12.10 - 10:13 pm

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that is a awesome idea!!!!!

all u leaders go start another CM and leeave ours allone!!!!!

BEAT IT!!!!



fixie4life
10.12.10 - 10:25 pm

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Hollywood CM! Hollywood and Vine, Hollywood and Highland for start location.
We need that shit bad, there some real serious asshole drivers on Hollywood Bl.

Silver Lake / Echo Park needs a Critical Mass. Bike District needs to get more militant, just one shitty dangerous bike lane on Sunset is not cutting it!

Culver City needs a Critical Mass. Dangerous part of town if you're driving walking riding, dangerous period.

Beverly Hills needs a Critical Mass.



jericho1ne
responding to a comment by fixie4life
10.13.10 - 10:44 am

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cute!

I know you are new to all of this.
but just so you know critical mass belongs to everybody and there are no leaders.
There is no us vs. them.
There is just us.
There is a lot of great writings and videos out there if you want to learn about critical mass.
I can send you some links if you like.

Ride on.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by fixie4life
10.13.10 - 10:54 am

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I think critical mass starts with 5 or 10 people and can go up from there.
I dont think it matters if CM is 10-20-50-or500 ppl
Just as long as the group has enough of a presence to take the lane.
I wasn't around for the first LACM but I'd bet that like MR it started with 10-15 people.

With all the contention going on with critical mass right now, the the progressively annoying situation with the cops I just think by having more masses on the last friday.

LA is 10x the size of SF! literally 10x as many square miles.
And we are 10x a rad ... so I think we should have at least 10 critical masses on the last friday.



trickmilla
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10.13.10 - 11:05 am

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haha i didnt finish that thought .... * I just think by having more masses on the last friday it will offer more diversity of rides to choose from, reduce conflicts, and pretty much make it impossible for the police to accompany every critical mass.



trickmilla
10.13.10 - 11:08 am

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U know what i think i caught that i did not even see him do anything
he did what everyone else was doin
ur right he was targeted!



j-son420
responding to a comment by nk287
10.13.10 - 11:12 am

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This is a positive and doable solution. How can we make this happen?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by trickmilla
10.13.10 - 12:35 pm

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There are 2 possible ways as I see it.

1) Make a concerted effort to start new CMs on last friday and really commit.
Once one gets popular enough add another, and another, and another.

2) Take advantage of a big moment (say LACM NYE) and advertise the shit out of new (additional) starting points, times, and convergences, much like we do the All City Toy Ride.

That would set a precedent, and while all the rides might not last the test of time some would and they would get the ball rolling. People like tradition.
People are always down for some change in the new year ... it keeps things fresh.






trickmilla
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
10.13.10 - 12:44 pm

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Ride On!




Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by trickmilla
10.13.10 - 1:16 pm

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"all u leaders go start another CM and leeave ours allone!!!!! "
fixie4life

When I read this I just dismissed it as an inane comment to be ignored. However, the fact is he is right.

The Wilshire Western CM has become nothing more than just another party ride, sponsored by the police. I am completely at a loss how anyone could find this appealing, but many do, and the ride is now what it is. I have left it alone as fixie4life suggested and now far prefer to ride elsewhere, rather than be corralled in by the "authorities", controlled and threatened by citations at every intersection.

I've always considered CM as a protest ride and nothing more. 29 days a month cars treat bicyclists as if they are rightful owners of the road. One night a month, through shear numbers, bicyclists exert their rights by taking over the roads. Others consider CM something very different. For them, WilshireWestern serves their purpose.

Start another CM and I'm there. Start CM2 from WilshireWestern and just head in the opposite direction and I'm there.

Until then, I am a Critical Mass of One.



indigis
10.13.10 - 4:23 pm

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why dont we have the SFV critical mass on the last friday of the month as an alternative to the LA one? Agreed, we should split the LA critical mass into different regions.



shotgun_mike
10.13.10 - 5:43 pm

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that is a great idea!!!!

take all the leaders with u!!!

do u need some help?





fixie4life
10.14.10 - 11:01 pm

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no can do........i guess the dudes that run sfv critical mass....didnt want to do that.....they were satisfied doing the first tuesday of the month....with their turnout of 3 people.........



shotgun_mike
10.15.10 - 1:37 am

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was this on adams n main?



AOF MAING
responding to a comment by nk287
10.17.10 - 1:21 am

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In other Critical Mass news, here's a short article on NYC having to pay out $965,000 to riders in connection with wrongful arrests made during the 2004 RNC.

http://urbanvelo.org/city-pays-965000-to-cyclists-wrongfully-arrested-on-critical-mass/

NY law does not necessarily impact what goes on here in CA, but I know this will be analyzed by our friends at LAPD--hopefully to work to make things better.



dudeonabike
10.19.10 - 9:35 am

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